FARK.com: (6714699) Because all of Michigan's problems have been solved, isn't it about time for a bill requiring the pledge of allegiance for all students?

		Because all of Michigan's problems have been solved, isn't it about time for a bill requiring the pledge of allegiance for all students? (videocafe.crooksandliars.com)		120
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Diogenes

2011-11-08 09:52:22 AM

Kids who dutifully recite The Pledge all grow up to be rich job creators.

choo

2011-11-08 09:57:21 AM

Can't we also insert that "In God we trust" somewhere? How about topping it off with an Amen?

Hallelujah!

Antimatter

2011-11-08 10:08:25 AM

Isn't forceing young children to swear loyalty each and every day rather totalitarian? I mean, most have no idea what something like national loyalty even means at that age.

JerseyTim

2011-11-08 10:08:31 AM

It's not the worst idea I've heard lately, but it's close.

Lenny_da_Hog

2011-11-08 10:08:59 AM

Now that people are marching in the streets, isn't it time for a loyalty oath, citizen?

the_vegetarian_cannibal

2011-11-08 10:11:12 AM

Antimatter: Isn't forceing young children to swear loyalty each and every day rather totalitarian? I mean, most have no idea what something like national loyalty even means at that age.

www.bay-of-fundie.com

/oblig

coeyagi

2011-11-08 10:12:11 AM

choo: Can't we also insert that "In God we trust" somewhere? How about topping it off with an Amen?

Hallelujah!

Congress reaffirmed "In God We Trust" last week. No really.

ha-ha-guy

2011-11-08 10:12:17 AM

Step 1: Drastically cut funding to Michigan public schools
Step 2: Make all schools buy a flag per classroom (to be fair they likely already have these, still....

Oh do I hate the retards we elect around here.

/the best part is I'm pretty sure Kahn is from Saginaw
//they have a lot more pressing problems than flags in classrooms

coeyagi

2011-11-08 10:14:01 AM

Pro-tip to the GOP: restricting voting accessibility to minorities and enacting symbolic crap like this will not make American turn into the 1950s again.

GhostFish

2011-11-08 10:14:45 AM

The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that forcing students to cite the pledge was unconstitutional unless parents were given the opportunity to have the final say on whether their child participates.

So this is all a nice big waste of time and money. Thank you again GOP, for wasting resources on your little marketing schemes.

Jake Havechek

2011-11-08 10:14:56 AM

How many jobs will this create?

Impasse

2011-11-08 10:15:08 AM

Next up: Minimum required pieces of patriotic flair.

\hungry for extreme fajitas

Macinfarker

2011-11-08 10:15:23 AM

There must be some kind of First Amendment issue with requiring anyone to recite anything, especially when it involves federally funded education...regardless of whether "under God" is in the pledge

apoptotic

2011-11-08 10:15:39 AM

Ok America, from a distance this nonsense was entertaining for a while, but it's time to cut this sh*t out now.

eldritch2k4

2011-11-08 10:17:33 AM

Macinfarker: There must be some kind of First Amendment issue with requiring anyone to recite anything, especially when it involves federally funded education...regardless of whether "under God" is in the pledge

This.

cefm

2011-11-08 10:17:33 AM

Even God won't bring Detroit back. They should start looking elsewhere.

stuhayes2010

2011-11-08 10:19:50 AM

The party of small government strikes again!

what_now

2011-11-08 10:20:11 AM

I don't want to Godwin this, but if when you tell Germans about the Pledge of Allegiance they get really, really uncomfortable.

Ctrl-Alt-Del

2011-11-08 10:21:19 AM

"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us. 19

We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control. "

orclover

2011-11-08 10:23:13 AM

Soon you will be like Texas, with both a Govt mandated pledge and a state mandated pledge. 3 pledges, one right after the other and the kids will be half asleep wondering why the fark they have to bother.

This isnt learning that your govt loves you, this is fanatacism indoctrination. Thankfully it doesnt work worth shiat.

ytterbium

2011-11-08 10:23:41 AM

I remember reciting the pledge every morning in school, it didn't really bother me and when we move to MI soon, I don't have a problem with my kids saying it. I actually looked forward to it: it was part of the morning routine and got the kids focused.

We lived briefly in TX and my daughter started kindergarten there. She had to recite the Texas state pledge, which was too freaky for me.

/left-leaning politically

ignatius_crumbcake

2011-11-08 10:23:52 AM

"Children, our lesson today will be about irony. But first, everyone stand for the required oath about liberty for all."

tnpir

2011-11-08 10:24:03 AM

Republican state Sens. Rick Jones, Patrick Colbeck, Michael Green, Tonya Schuitmaker, Howard Walker, Goeffrey Hansen, Jack Brandenburg, and John Pappageorge are co-sponsoring the bill.

And each one of them should be held down and punched in the crotch until they pass out.

Then after they wake up, they should be punched in the crotch again.

Dammit, people, WHEN are we going to enact my federal cockpunchers legislation??!?

illisium

2011-11-08 10:24:07 AM

what_now: I don't want to Godwin this, but if when you tell Germans about the Pledge of Allegiance they get really, really uncomfortable.

This thread was already Godwinned about 10 posts before you.

GhostFish: The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that forcing students to cite the pledge was unconstitutional unless parents were given the opportunity to have the final say on whether their child participates.

So this is all a nice big waste of time and money. Thank you again GOP, for wasting resources on your little marketing schemes.

I don't think they give a damn about much of anything right now other than getting the black man out of his office.

SuburbanCowboy

2011-11-08 10:25:10 AM

A great sketch from The Whitest Kids You Know:

Link (new window)

this is not a form of brainwashing.
this is not a form of brainwashing.
this is not a form of brainwashing.

God bless Citigroup. Amen,

illisium

2011-11-08 10:25:21 AM

orclover: This isnt learning that your govt loves you, this is fanatacism indoctrination. Thankfully it doesnt work worth shiat.

. . .actually, yes it does. People really are that easily led.

WellBelowAverage

2011-11-08 10:25:34 AM

Absolutely....I'm sure there is something better out there.

Maybe some passages from Mao's Little Red Book?

Or maybe something a little more modern, we can just say "Meh". I think that captures the modern, "everything is crap, I believe in nothing" attitude of this generation.

Yay! Nihilism!

WellBelowAverage

2011-11-08 10:27:18 AM

illisium: what_now: I don't want to Godwin this, but if when you tell Germans about the Pledge of Allegiance they get really, really uncomfortable.

This thread was already Godwinned about 10 posts before you.

GhostFish: The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that forcing students to cite the pledge was unconstitutional unless parents were given the opportunity to have the final say on whether their child participates.

So this is all a nice big waste of time and money. Thank you again GOP, for wasting resources on your little marketing schemes.

I don't think they give a damn about much of anything right now other than getting the black man out of his office.

What if we pledge to Godwin?

I alone am best

2011-11-08 10:27:37 AM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us. 19

We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control. "

How can it be fixed? Its a living breathing document. Right?

Skleenar

2011-11-08 10:28:25 AM

coeyagi: Pro-tip to the GOP: restricting voting accessibility to minorities and enacting symbolic crap like this will not make American turn into the 1950s again.

That's class warfare:

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jlt

2011-11-08 10:30:38 AM

Yay Michigan.

Such a pretty state...too bad everything else sucks.

CruiserTwelve

2011-11-08 10:30:58 AM

Tonya Schuitmaker

How do you pronounce that?

sprawl15

2011-11-08 10:32:19 AM

I alone am best: Ctrl-Alt-Del: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us. 19

We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control. "

How can it be fixed? Its a living breathing document. Right?

missingthepoint.jpg

PunchDrunkPanda

2011-11-08 10:33:13 AM

I haven't recited the pledge since elementary school (early 90s) and I still remember it word for word, as I imagine most people who had it hammered into their psyche do.

I keep waiting for the day when a little holographic Ike is going to pop onto my desk:

"The time has come. Execute Order 66."

NuttierThanEver

2011-11-08 10:35:24 AM

GODDAMMITSOMUCH!

Mother farkers I am trying to raise my children to respect the flag and what it stands for but you assholes are trampling on those very things by forcing allegiance. Respect is earned not demanded you facist morons.

Wheyfaring Stranger

2011-11-08 10:35:38 AM

Wisconsin did this over a decade ago:

118.06. Flag, pledge of allegiance, and national anthem
(1) Every school board and the governing body of every private school shall cause the U.S. flag to be displayed in the schoolroom or from a flagstaff on each school ground during the school hours of each school day.
(2) Every public school shall offer the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem in grades one to 12 each school day. Every private school shall offer the pledge of allegiance or the national anthem in grades one to 12 each school day unless the governing body of the private school determines that the requirement conflicts with the school's religious doctrines. No pupil may be compelled, against the pupil's objections or those of the pupil's parents or guardian, to recite the pledge or to sing the anthem.

And look how that has turned out.

StrangeQ

2011-11-08 10:35:56 AM

WellBelowAverage: Absolutely....I'm sure there is something better out there.

Maybe some passages from Mao's Little Red Book?

Or maybe something a little more modern, we can just say "Meh". I think that captures the modern, "everything is crap, I believe in nothing" attitude of this generation.

Yay! Nihilism!

It's not so much an attitude as it is a learned response. When the country's "leadership" does nothing but promote their own self interests while telling the other 99% to go fark themselves, people tend to become a tad cynical.

coeyagi

2011-11-08 10:36:07 AM

PunchDrunkPanda: I haven't recited the pledge since elementary school (early 90s) and I still remember it word for word, as I imagine most people who had it hammered into their psyche do.

I keep waiting for the day when a little holographic Ike is going to pop onto my desk:
"The time has come. Execute Order 66."

I am waiting for Execute Order THX 1138 (exterminate Lucas, that childhood-raping whore).

CapnBlues

2011-11-08 10:36:20 AM

meanwhile:

i195.photobucket.com

Skleenar

2011-11-08 10:37:18 AM

CruiserTwelve: Tonya Schuitmaker

How do you pronounce that?

"Throatwobbler Mangrove"

I alone am best

2011-11-08 10:37:40 AM

sprawl15: I alone am best: Ctrl-Alt-Del: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us. 19

We think the action of the local authorities in compelling the flag salute and pledge transcends constitutional limitations on their power and invades the sphere of intellect and spirit which it is the purpose of the First Amendment to our Constitution to reserve from all official control. "

How can it be fixed? Its a living breathing document. Right?

missingthepoint.jpg

No, I get it. I just like pointing out stuff like that.

Wellon Dowd

2011-11-08 10:38:24 AM

This makes sense. We should have to say the same Pledge of Allegiance that the Founders recited as they were signing the Constitution in 1787.

Wellon Dowd

2011-11-08 10:39:04 AM

Skleenar: CruiserTwelve: Tonya Schuitmaker

How do you pronounce that?

"Throatwobbler Mangrove"

But it is spelled Raymond Luxury-Yacht.

I alone am best

2011-11-08 10:39:33 AM

I dont think this is a good thing BTW. I think that all schools should have the option to do it if they want but forced participation is not the way to go.

PanicMan

2011-11-08 10:42:17 AM

GhostFish: The Supreme Court ruled in 1943 that forcing students to cite the pledge was unconstitutional unless parents were given the opportunity to have the final say on whether their child participates.

So this is all a nice big waste of time and money. Thank you again GOP, for wasting resources on your little marketing schemes.

I was pretty sure this was unconstitutional. Thanks for the confirmation.

LibertyHiller

2011-11-08 10:42:27 AM

ha-ha-guy: Step 1: Drastically cut funding to Michigan public schools
Step 2: Make all schools buy a flag per classroom (to be fair they likely already have these, still....

Oh do I hate the retards we elect around here.

/the best part is I'm pretty sure Kahn is from Saginaw
//they have a lot more pressing problems than flags in classrooms

He is, and he's a nasty piece of work. He's very fond of bullying women.

coeyagi

2011-11-08 10:43:49 AM

I alone am best: I dont think this is a good thing BTW. I think that all schools should have the option to do it if they want but forced participation is not the way to go.

This is not the frothing outrage at liberals who are upset the US is becoming a theocracy that we have come to love and expect.

NeverDrunk23

2011-11-08 10:46:57 AM

GOP only cares about saying how American is great, rather than doing things that make America great.

trotsky

2011-11-08 10:47:03 AM

Michigan is suffering badly. Everything is going to hell. And this is the best they have? Seriously?

fark them.

fark the GOP.

WellBelowAverage

2011-11-08 10:49:39 AM

StrangeQ: WellBelowAverage: Absolutely....I'm sure there is something better out there.

Maybe some passages from Mao's Little Red Book?

Or maybe something a little more modern, we can just say "Meh". I think that captures the modern, "everything is crap, I believe in nothing" attitude of this generation.

Yay! Nihilism!

It's not so much an attitude as it is a learned response. When the country's "leadership" does nothing but promote their own self interests while telling the other 99% to go fark themselves, people tend to become a tad cynical.

If all you've learned is how to be cynical then you really haven't learned much.

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