Like I'm going to trust someone who peed in my Coke.

China is not a communist state.

You work 12 hours?

Why not 18?

vpb: Yes, because everyone wants to live the luxurious life of the average Chinese citizen.

When they stop devaluing their currency maybe we'll listen.

Their economy isn't really doing all that well. they have massive problems with debt and corruption

Occam's Chainsaw: When a totalitarian state is telling you that your problems are caused by too many freedoms and your citizens should race their serfs to the bottom, you might want to tell them to go f*ck themselves. Meanwhile, subby whacks it to a copy of The Jungle

FTFY, subby.

This was good. I liked this.

Better start learning Mandarin now, you welfare workers...I, for one, welcome our new Chinese Overlords.

谢谢您，夫人!我有另一个？

Right... we should take advice on workers' rights from China. Tell me, did they ever work it out so that the suicide-prevention nets around their factory-cities actually caught people without chopping them into neat little cubes?

palladiate:

China is about as communist as we are free-market capitalist.

Since Deng Xiaoping's reign China has gone so far into capitalist restoration and counter-revolution that they've liquidated any trace of Maoism. Tyranny by a party that calls itself "Communist" is not enough. David Koresh swore he was a good Christian, should we have believed him?

By the way, neither Mao nor the current Chinese ruling clique are truly communist. Jesus was much closer (though I'm still an atheist).

It's not welfare if you're chained to a loom for 18 hours a day.

Occam's Chainsaw: When a totalitarian state is telling you that your problems are caused by too many freedoms and your citizens should race their serfs to the bottom, you might want to tell them to go f*ck themselves. Meanwhile, subby whacks it to a copy of The Jungle

This. You do not want to take advice on running a country from the farking PRC.

Just another plot to equalize the world economy, no more cheap wage countries to manufacture all the goods for other countries. One day we will all earn the same amount with only one world currency and the only reason to export or import will be because of available raw materials.

pute kisses like a man: palladiate: China is about as communist as we are free-market capitalist.

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kvinesknows: China is not a communist state.

and this

China is communist in name only.

Came for the no-true-scotsman butt hurt - leaving satisfied.

Workers in China aren't allowed to unionize. They are supposedly under the purview of the state-run union, but it doesn't actually do anything.

The CCP is hardly communist anymore - rather it is fascist.

beta_plus: Came for the no-true-scotsman butt hurt - leaving satisfied.

Helpful hint: understand logical fallacies before trying to name drop them.

iserlohn: The CCP is hardly communist anymore - rather it is fascist.

anymore????? It never was and there has NEVER been a real communist country, at least none that has been documented very well.

Greed and Jealousy will prevent communism from ever working

I don't know much about Europe's politics, but I do know the French are required to have a shiat ton of time off. 5 weeks minimum, i believe. And if you work 40 hours a week, which is beyond the 35 hour max work week, that adds up to another 20 some days of vacation you can take, plus a dozen state holidays.

From the perspective of someone who has 3 weeks paid vacation, it does seem like a lot of lost productivity. I'd have a probelm doing my current job well if I took 11 weeks worth of vacation per year.

kvinesknows: China is not a communist state.

Yeah, it's morphed into a kind of anti-communism. A select few "communists" get stinking rich while the workers get paid shiat compared to the west but live much better compared to the farmers. I guess the farmers are thankful that they are not in North Korea or prison.

FTA: "The head of the Chinese state's overseas investment arm said he would only help Europe if it reformed its 'outdated' labour laws and welfare systems."


Is he throwing this attitude back in the Wests face on behalf of the 3rd world?

/cute

So they are saying the average European worker is about as under worked and overpaid as our American Teachers?

China has not had a communist economy in a long time. They are worse bloodsucking capitalists than Americans.

Mose: I'd have a probelm doing my current job well if I took 11 weeks worth of vacation per year.

Maybe if you cut out the Fark you might find 11 weeks or so of productivity.

Peter Gibbons: "Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work."

david1963: By the way, neither Mao nor the current Chinese ruling clique are truly communist. Jesus was much closer (though I'm still an atheist).

I seem to recall that Jesus was specifically disinterested on economic matters.

Mose: I don't know much about Europe's politics, but I do know the French are required to have a shiat ton of time off. 5 weeks minimum, i believe. And if you work 40 hours a week, which is beyond the 35 hour max work week, that adds up to another 20 some days of vacation you can take, plus a dozen state holidays.

From the perspective of someone who has 3 weeks paid vacation, it does seem like a lot of lost productivity. I'd have a probelm doing my current job well if I took 11 weeks worth of vacation per year.

They still have a productive manufacturing base and the french tend to take most of their holidays in france so the money is spent there and helps local economies and that amount of leave is pretty much a EU norm.
The problems in the EU are not about holidays or infact welfare it's about bad loans from banks to countries that couldn't pay back once interest rates rose and that is the same problem throughout the western democracies.
stoopid bankers fecking it all up for the rest of us.

This text is now purple: I seem to recall that Jesus was specifically disinterested on economic matters.

Matthew 21:12

China has a lot of problems, and is hardly a superpower, but one problem they do not have is a lack of work ethic. In this case, the Chinese are right. Europe had a great advantage over most of the world in terms of civilized progress, economic development, and technological advancement, and they have been pissing it away.

Lesson applicable to America.

"I hear China also wants us to dismantle all of our nuclear and conventional weapons and slash our defense budget to zero, but they totally promised not to take advantage of us if we do." --Herman Cain

kvinesknows: anymore????? It never was and there has NEVER been a real communist country, at least none that has been documented very well.

That because like an unfettered capitalism, a true democracy, and a functional anarchy, they are unattainable, unstable, utopian ideals.

And the "real" communist argument is a real scotsman argument, because you arguing that someone born in Scotland, of Scottish ancestry, and cultural Scot isn't a True Scotsman because of failure to uphold some mythic ideal.

HazMatt: This text is now purple: I seem to recall that Jesus was specifically disinterested on economic matters.

Matthew 21:12

"12And Yeshua entered The Temple of God and cast out all of those who sold and bought in The Temple and upset the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13And he said to them, "It is written: 'My house will be called the House of prayer, but you have made it a den of robbers.' ""

I fail to see how that passage makes any comment on Jesus' particular economic system of choice.

macdaddy357: China has not had a communist economy in a long time. They are worse bloodsucking capitalists than Americans.

Capitalism (and America) does not throw your ass in jail for 2 and a half years for complaining that your infant was poisoned by tainted baby formula.

Yes, let's take advice from farking CHINA. A giant shiat-hole of a country where life is worth dog-shiat. You like it so much, go live there subby.

This text is now purple: kvinesknows: anymore????? It never was and there has NEVER been a real communist country, at least none that has been documented very well.

That because like an unfettered capitalism, a true democracy, and a functional anarchy, they are unattainable, unstable, utopian ideals.

And the "real" communist argument is a real scotsman argument, because you arguing that someone born in Scotland, of Scottish ancestry, and cultural Scot isn't a True Scotsman because of failure to uphold some mythic ideal.

So you're saying that The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democracy? I mean it's right there on the label, and if I were to argue otherwise, I'd be doing the Real Scotsman bit.

This text is now purple: david1963: By the way, neither Mao nor the current Chinese ruling clique are truly communist. Jesus was much closer (though I'm still an atheist).

I seem to recall that Jesus was specifically disinterested on economic matters.

Have you ever read the Bible? The New Testament? The Gospels? Those parts of the Gospels which, in many versions of the Bible, are printed in red instead of black? The parts that start "Jesus said..."?

This text is now purple: HazMatt: This text is now purple: I seem to recall that Jesus was specifically disinterested on economic matters.

Matthew 21:12

"12And Yeshua entered The Temple of God and cast out all of those who sold and bought in The Temple and upset the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13And he said to them, "It is written: 'My house will be called the House of prayer, but you have made it a den of robbers.' ""

I fail to see how that passage makes any comment on Jesus' particular economic system of choice.

If he was disinterested in economic matters, he probably would have just said, "Meh".

China: ideal worker's paradise. Got it.

/thanks teamitter
//now tell us how much you love freedom and show us your flag pin