If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Talking Points Memo) PSA Today, Mississippi votes to determine whether or not to outlaw birth control and remove birth rights from all women   (tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 142
More: PSA  
•       •       •

1538 clicks; posted to Politics » on 08 Nov 2011 at 9:05 AM   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»   |    Get this fabulous T-Shirt and impress the methane out of your friends! shirt it!



142 Comments   (+0 »)
   

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all
 
2011-11-08 08:53:42 AM
Who wants to bet for the under dog here? I'll put $100.00 down that they vote against this 'personhood' initiative.
 
2011-11-08 09:06:18 AM
Dupe. Granted, an important topic, but..
 
2011-11-08 09:08:08 AM
You want a job, don't you?
 
2011-11-08 09:09:33 AM
Cythraul: Who wants to bet for the under dog here? I'll put $100.00 down that they vote against this 'personhood' initiative.

I'll take that bet, but only if the money goes to a charity of choice (mine would be Planned Parenthood). I think they will vote for this abomination and it will be left to the courts to strike it down.
 
2011-11-08 09:10:18 AM
I will never step foot in Mississippi as long as I live, so this amendment doesn't really affect me.

But FFS, come on people, if you live there... vote no.
 
2011-11-08 09:11:42 AM
Missisiisiisiiisisisisisisipppisiipipipipipipistanstanstanstanstsansta n can do whatever they want. It's not the government's business to tell them how to run their backwater 3rd world country.
 
2011-11-08 09:12:20 AM
Even National Review is skeptical:

What's not clear to me ... is why "distinct DNA" should be the criterion by which we judge personhood for moral and legal purposes. As Reason's Ronald Bailey has pointed out, 60 to 80 percent of human embryos - post-conception, with distinct DNA - are naturally destroyed by the woman's body. Are we to see this as a large-scale massacre of human beings, develop drugs to prevent it from happening, and require all women who have unprotected sex to take them? Certainly, we would be willing to take measures like this if post-birth infants were dying in comparable numbers.

Of course they aren't going to prosecute every Mississippi woman for the mass-murder of dozens of "persons" but if they don't follow the law, what's the point of the law?

It's telling that they have to twist morality to outlaw abortion, or as Andrew Sullivan puts it: "It is a little perverse to take the sacredness of life more seriously than the Almighty."
 
2011-11-08 09:15:22 AM
If this passes it would be cool if all the fertile women moved out of the state then we could just watch Mississippi dry up and die off over the next generation.
 
2011-11-08 09:20:15 AM
Do fetuses factor into the census?

Is putting a picture of your ultrasound on Facebook child pornography?
 
2011-11-08 09:20:59 AM
Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.
 
2011-11-08 09:21:21 AM
Would this have less effect on black women due to their innate sense of rhythm?
 
2011-11-08 09:22:07 AM
Does this mean that kids in Mississippi can vote when they're 17?
 
2011-11-08 09:22:54 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

I'm sincerely asking: when I had an ectopic pregnancy, what should I have done about it?
 
2011-11-08 09:23:01 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

homepage.mac.com
 
2011-11-08 09:23:04 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

RTFA.
 
2011-11-08 09:24:44 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

Some women treat abortion like birth control.

I hope this bill passes. It will give other states courage to pass similar legislation...
 
2011-11-08 09:25:17 AM
Overfiend: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

Some women treat abortion like birth control.

I hope this bill passes. It will give other states courage to pass similar legislation...


Don't encourage it.
 
2011-11-08 09:25:31 AM
king cranium maximus IV: Does this mean that kids in Mississippi can vote when they're 17?

Any law that references a specific age gets kicked back 9 months.
 
2011-11-08 09:25:33 AM
From what I've heard it's a very poorly written standard. If they wished to continue to permit removal of ectopic pregnancies and other situations where the fetus, even though you could consider it a person, is actually going to KILL the mother, they should have spelled that out in the amendment, and they didn't. If they wished to hold mothers blameless for unintentional miscarriages, they could have spelled that out in their amendment as well, but again, they didn't.
 
2011-11-08 09:26:02 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

Wanna know can I tell you're a man?
 
2011-11-08 09:26:10 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
 
2011-11-08 09:26:40 AM
Helen_Arigby: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

I'm sincerely asking: when I had an ectopic pregnancy, what should I have done about it?


Apparently, you should have died.

Of course you would have wanted to do everything you could to survive long enough that the baby could live.
 
2011-11-08 09:26:44 AM
Has anyone mentioned that this would ban all contragestive birth control methods? Oh, the article did? Fantastic.
 
2011-11-08 09:27:38 AM
GentDirkly: From what I've heard it's a very poorly written standard. If they wished to continue to permit removal of ectopic pregnancies and other situations where the fetus, even though you could consider it a person, is actually going to KILL the mother, they should have spelled that out in the amendment, and they didn't. If they wished to hold mothers blameless for unintentional miscarriages, they could have spelled that out in their amendment as well, but again, they didn't.

Them whores new what for they signed up.
 
2011-11-08 09:29:53 AM
So if i go on a binge and miscarry a baby I didn't even realize I was pregnant with, could I be charged with murder?
 
2011-11-08 09:30:19 AM
badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

Troll?
 
2011-11-08 09:30:37 AM
/lives in Mississippi
// will be voting no in a couple of hours

The other day, our local newspaper printed several letters to the editor representing both sides of Initiative 26, the amendment in question here. The letters against the initiative provided facts, clear logic, and speculation about the unintended consequences the new definition of "personhood" would surely produce. The word "person" is apparently used hundreds upon hundreds of times in our state's legal code, and each of these instances will have to be re-calibrated with the new definition.

Without exception, the letters on the "yes" side were fraught with religious references, and if any of the letter writers dared address the legal ambiguities, they suggested that the state legislature and the courts will deal with them afterward. Nothing to worry about!

It seems like anyone with multiple brain cells, pro-choice or pro-life, would reject this initiative out of hand just due to the simplified wording of this thing. Yet, this is going to go down to the wire.

/// coming to a state near you next
 
2011-11-08 09:30:46 AM
Starry Heavens: Has anyone mentioned that this would ban all contragestive birth control methods? Oh, the article did? Fantastic.

Not surprising. Once the holier than thou crowd eliminates abortion, contraception is next. Straight people are just as big of a target as gays to them. They want to control all sex in this country.
 
2011-11-08 09:32:25 AM
GentDirkly: From what I've heard it's a very poorly written standard. If they wished to continue to permit removal of ectopic pregnancies and other situations where the fetus, even though you could consider it a person, is actually going to KILL the mother, they should have spelled that out in the amendment, and they didn't. If they wished to hold mothers blameless for unintentional miscarriages, they could have spelled that out in their amendment as well, but again, they didn't.

Yeah, under this bill a woman who miscarries as a result of a car accident that was even 30% her fault could be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
 
2011-11-08 09:32:47 AM
Lumpmoose: Not surprising. Once the holier than thou crowd eliminates abortion, contraception is next. Straight people are just as big of a target as gays to them. They want to control all sex in this country.

Well to be fair, it is more exciting when it's taboo.

I mean, if I were a Republican legislator, sucking a shemale's dick in the back of the limo just wouldn't have that same "pop" if it were legal and acceptable.
 
2011-11-08 09:33:27 AM
MarshHawk: /lives in Mississippi
// will be voting no in a couple of hours

The other day, our local newspaper printed several letters to the editor representing both sides of Initiative 26, the amendment in question here. The letters against the initiative provided facts, clear logic, and speculation about the unintended consequences the new definition of "personhood" would surely produce. The word "person" is apparently used hundreds upon hundreds of times in our state's legal code, and each of these instances will have to be re-calibrated with the new definition.

Without exception, the letters on the "yes" side were fraught with religious references, and if any of the letter writers dared address the legal ambiguities, they suggested that the state legislature and the courts will deal with them afterward. Nothing to worry about!

It seems like anyone with multiple brain cells, pro-choice or pro-life, would reject this initiative out of hand just due to the simplified wording of this thing. Yet, this is going to go down to the wire.

/// coming to a state near you next


Right, the ambiguous wording leaves the very same voters most likely to launch into a tirade about activist courts saying, "well the courts will have to apply common sense".
 
2011-11-08 09:33:51 AM
Monirae: So if i go on a binge and miscarry a baby I didn't even realize I was pregnant with, could I be charged with murder?

I think the highest they could try for is 2nd degree, so look at the bright side.
 
2011-11-08 09:36:08 AM
do you americans really want another Prohibition era ? its what I´m seeing you are headed to

/wtf is wrong with your country ?
 
2011-11-08 09:36:12 AM
Monirae: So if i go on a binge and miscarry a baby I didn't even realize I was pregnant with, could I be charged with murder?

Hell, you don't even need to miscarry to run into trouble. I don't think the courts tend to take "I didn't know it would be a problem" as an answer when it comes to child abuse.

/stress can cause miscarriages, too
//guess this means that women will have to be fired for getting pregnant
 
2011-11-08 09:39:35 AM
The sad thing is there are much better wordings they could have used. "Any medical procedure or therapy designed or intended to destroy a fetus developing in a woman shall not be permitted, unless such a procedure is required, in that specific instance, to save the woman's life. The legislature shall have the power to enforce this article and set penalties by appropriate legislation."
 
2011-11-08 09:40:06 AM
sprawl15: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.
 
2011-11-08 09:40:56 AM
I'm waiting for the first estate case when the regular heir gets disinherited in favor of a fetus.
 
2011-11-08 09:42:16 AM
badhatharry: sprawl15: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.


They are neither children nor people. If you say otherwise, you tell a lie.
 
2011-11-08 09:42:33 AM
badhatharry: Unborn children are people.

You're not a person until you're in my phonebook.
 
2011-11-08 09:44:08 AM
There are Fundy robots everywhere, not just MS.

If you sit still in Los Angeles long enough (30 seconds) you will get hit up by a number of folks asking if you've seen Jeebus.

Me? Im pro-choice. Its the only logical way to do it. But, I dont see why some folks see fit to tell others how to live their lives or attempt to control them, it only makes for a worse life for everyone.

But some folks are small minded and will live their entire lives with an IQ below 100 and there is fark all I can do about that.

I hope to hell folks in Mississippi have the common sense to vote this crap out of existence - whoever decided it was a good idea needs a post birth abortion and quick. Fark them.
 
2011-11-08 09:44:54 AM
badhatharry: Unborn children are people.

[citation needed]
 
2011-11-08 09:45:09 AM
HotIgneous Intruder: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

Wanna know can I tell you're a moran?


ftfy
 
2011-11-08 09:45:54 AM
Alphax: They are neither children nor people. If you say otherwise, you tell a lie.

Shoving guns up a woman's cooter is simply small government acting to protect those developmentally impaired people's second amendment rights.
 
2011-11-08 09:47:41 AM
badhatharry: sprawl15: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.


A zygote is not an unborn child
 
2011-11-08 09:52:04 AM
badhatharry: Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.

So, in order to not be a complete hypocrite, you protest wars on account of the unavoidable civilian deaths, right? Hello? Is this thing on?
 
2011-11-08 09:52:51 AM
Good. These dumbasses are slitting their own throats. They will be a good example to the other states of why not to do this.

The same way they systematically destroyed their education system and their high-wage jobs they are also destroying their personal rights.

This is the reason people make Mississippi jokes and now there will be a reason to tell even more Mississippi jokes.
 
2011-11-08 09:53:20 AM
Wonder if I can buy stock in tubal ligation? No? I can't make money to this.
 
2011-11-08 09:55:44 AM
CPennypacker: badhatharry: sprawl15: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.

A zygote is not an unborn child


A bald eagle's egg is not a bald eagle. Yet, they can throw you in prison for touching one.
 
2011-11-08 09:58:57 AM
badhatharry: CPennypacker: badhatharry: sprawl15: badhatharry: Bullshiat. Abortion is not birth control or a right.

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Unborn children are people. They have a right to life.

A zygote is not an unborn child

A bald eagle's egg is not a bald eagle. Yet, they can throw you in prison for touching one.


But they don't throw the bald eagle in jail for touching one.

By all means, if bald eagles start attacking our pregnant women, throw them in jail.
 
2011-11-08 09:59:02 AM
badhatharry: CPennypacker: badhatharry: sprawl15: badhatharry:

A zygote is not an unborn child

A bald eagle's egg is not a bald eagle. Yet, they can throw you in prison for touching one.


...and since human beings lay eggs, it sets a clear precedent!

/then the mother licks 'em clean
 
Displayed 50 of 142 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | » | Last | Show all


This thread is closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »