In all honesty, I do want this phone, but there's the whole CDMA thing...

This is where they could really make a dent in Android market share. Most lower-end Android devices don't approach WP7 in stability or quality.

"Hmm, I'm writing about a physical object... should I include a picture or two? Nah, I'm sure my rehashed press release is sufficient enough."

From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

run pee?

Theaetetus: From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

If you haven't laid hands on a Mango phone, you might want to check the talk. It is by all definitions an excellent mobile OS. Fast, smooth, intuitive, and from what I've heard - rock-solid stable. They've got some great new hardware lined up and I'll be taking a very close look at the new Nokia Mango-based handsets.

Is this $50 with or without a contract? If it's without I'll snap one up immediately just for testing. If it's with contract, then I don't see why it's a big deal. The initial price of any phone with a contract usually isn't the big cost of owning the device, it's the monthly charge over 2 years that ends up costing you the bucks.

Kinda pricey for a hammer.

No, not really.

MightyPez: Is this $50 with or without a contract? If it's without I'll snap one up immediately just for testing. If it's with contract, then I don't see why it's a big deal. The initial price of any phone with a contract usually isn't the big cost of owning the device, it's the monthly charge over 2 years that ends up costing you the bucks.

Definitely with contract. No way it's not.

bemis23: Theaetetus: From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

If you haven't laid hands on a Mango phone, you might want to check the talk. It is by all definitions an excellent mobile OS. Fast, smooth, intuitive, and from what I've heard - rock-solid stable. They've got some great new hardware lined up and I'll be taking a very close look at the new Nokia Mango-based handsets.

Mango phone... buy it today!

Likwit: MightyPez: Is this $50 with or without a contract? If it's without I'll snap one up immediately just for testing. If it's with contract, then I don't see why it's a big deal. The initial price of any phone with a contract usually isn't the big cost of owning the device, it's the monthly charge over 2 years that ends up costing you the bucks.

Definitely with contract. No way it's not.

If that's the case then I guess what's the big deal? Both Android an iOS have phones out at that price point. Is this just a milestone because it's a Windows Phone 7 at the $50 price point?

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Mango phone... buy it today!

it isn't the cost of the phone, it's the $30/month data plan. How about giving us a break on that? Shared data plan, Verizon, c'mon!

//family of 4.
//wouldn't use 1 data plan between the 4 of us combined.

thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

My guess is at least 1 more... This isn't it.

thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

All of them. But they need to team up together.

MightyPez: Likwit: MightyPez: Is this $50 with or without a contract? If it's without I'll snap one up immediately just for testing. If it's with contract, then I don't see why it's a big deal. The initial price of any phone with a contract usually isn't the big cost of owning the device, it's the monthly charge over 2 years that ends up costing you the bucks.

Definitely with contract. No way it's not.

If that's the case then I guess what's the big deal? Both Android an iOS have phones out at that price point. Is this just a milestone because it's a Windows Phone 7 at the $50 price point?

I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see it. That's a crazy good price point. Everyone might as well buy one. fark, I'd buy two.

See this phone can do stuff. See? Like twitter. See? Its just like a real smartphone. See? Look, just like a real phone. Why aren't you looking?

MightyPez: Likwit: MightyPez: Is this $50 with or without a contract? If it's without I'll snap one up immediately just for testing. If it's with contract, then I don't see why it's a big deal. The initial price of any phone with a contract usually isn't the big cost of owning the device, it's the monthly charge over 2 years that ends up costing you the bucks.

Definitely with contract. No way it's not.

If that's the case then I guess what's the big deal? Both Android an iOS have phones out at that price point. Is this just a milestone because it's a Windows Phone 7 at the $50 price point?

I honestly have no idea. A quick search says $49.99 with new contract. Hell, my android cost $50 with a cotract renewal.

And let's face it; this is my problem is this:

FTA: And Gartner analyst Michael Gartenberg notes that retail price is only one consideration. Smartphone data plans typically run $80 or more a month. "Any consumer who can do arithmetic realizes that the cost of a smartphone over two years, when you add in monthly service fees, is far more than $50," he says.

taglius: it isn't the cost of the phone, it's the $30/month data plan. How about giving us a break on that? Shared data plan, Verizon, c'mon!

//family of 4.
//wouldn't use 1 data plan between the 4 of us combined.

That's the thing -- it's not the phones, it's the contract and data plan that really put the screws to you. :-\

I love my smartphone, but part of me wished I had never purchased the bloody thing. So many more productive things I could do with the $800 (CND) I spend on my cell plan over the course of the year...

Theaetetus: From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

_{I really like my Zune.}

coinspinner: Theaetetus: From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

I really like my Zune.

You also pay $5 a month for nothing.

"Turns out about 70% of the folks in the U.S. haven't taken the leap to a smartphone yet," says Greg Sullivan, senior mobile communications manager at Microsoft.

The data plan is the killer. I would love to have an iPhone, and wouldn't have a problem coughing up $400 for one if the data plans weren't awful. iPod touch will due for now.

Meh.

I can't wait till I get this in a few days:

thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

MightyPez: Is this just a milestone because it's a Windows Phone 7 at the $50 price point?

No. The LG Quantum was available for less than that a few months after release.

MightyPez: Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

Android is: A) A mobile phone platform (among other things) B) Has been steadily stealing market share C) You don't unseat the market leader over night.

Subby: Microsoft unveils their $50 iPhone killer

So when a $50 iPhone comes out, they'll be ready?

fatalvenom: Meh.

I can't wait till I get this in a few days:

[www.unlockedcellphones2buy.com image 500x370]

If you don't have a tethering plan get a lapdock 100 (or the 500 when it comes out) . I have one for my photon. Its not perfect, but having a 3g/4g netbook with no additional monthly charges is pretty awesome.

Honest Bender: MightyPez: Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

Android is: A) A mobile phone platform (among other things) B) Has been steadily stealing market share C) You don't unseat the market leader over night.

So Apple setting phone sales records (new window) means the iPhone is dying? I'm trying to understand this reasoning but it just doesn't make sense.

Words mean things. If you say X is a Y killer, it usually means X is putting Y out of business. That doesn't seem to be the case at all.

Honest Bender: MightyPez: Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

Android is: A) A mobile phone platform (among other things) B) Has been steadily stealing market share C) You don't unseat the market leader over night.

Only three types of people buy an android
1) basement dwelling comic-cons who are angry that Jobs never returned their screenplay.
2) People who couldn't afford $199.
3) People who didn't want to leave their service provider.

The All-Powerful Atheismo: coinspinner: Theaetetus: From the company that brought you Bing and Zune, the next thing in your pocket will be some Krap.

I really like my Zune.

You also pay $5 a month for nothing.

What, for TotalFark? I've never used the Zune Pass thing, but I love the device, and the software is great. Much better than iTunes at least. And even the pass does allow you to keep a number of songs each month. Not enough to make it worth it, but it's not nothing.

The_Homeless_Guy: If you don't have a tethering plan get a lapdock 100 (or the 500 when it comes out) . I have one for my photon. Its not perfect, but having a 3g/4g netbook with no additional monthly charges is pretty awesome.


I don't over do it with my tech really. I have a desktop at home, a tower hooked up to my TV in the main room to stream hockey games, and my cell phone.

With my phone (grandfathered Verizon unlimited plan) I can go on Fark, stream the Boston sports-radio station I listen to and other things that I would use a lapper or a tablet for.

kingoomieiii: MightyPez: So Apple setting phone sales records (new window) means the iPhone is dying?

It's not useful to compare iPhone sales to individual android phones. The iPhone has two active sales models and one manufacturer.

So that means the iPhone is being killed?

kingoomieiii: MightyPez: kingoomieiii: MightyPez: So Apple setting phone sales records (new window) means the iPhone is dying?

It's not useful to compare iPhone sales to individual android phones. The iPhone has two active sales models and one manufacturer.

So that means the iPhone is being killed?

It means the datapoint isn't useful in a discussion of individual sales.

And that wasn't the discussion at hand. The headline and subsequent posts were about iPhone killers. What datapoint shows the iPhone being killed? Record sales for a smart phone? A changing landscape in a market coming out of its infancy and still growing worldwide?

I'm not trying to push a particular horse in this race. I'm just annoyed when people use the "X Killer" phrase when it has no bearing on reality. At best one can argue iOS/Android/WP7 are Blackberry killers because of RIMs dwindling sales and dominance on the market. But even that is a stretch.

Netflix was a Blockbuster killer. VHS was a Beta killer. Nobody is killing the iPhone right now.

fatalvenom: Meh.

I can't wait till I get this in a few days:

[www.unlockedcellphones2buy.com image 500x370]

Well, even what I'm toting around beats the iphone.

Better screen
4G
Memory card slot (32 gb in right now)
No need to use the cluster-f that is Itunes
Removable battery

Love this guy so far

MightyPez: And that wasn't the discussion at hand. The headline and subsequent posts were about iPhone killers. What datapoint shows the iPhone being killed? Record sales for a smart phone? A changing landscape in a market coming out of its infancy and still growing worldwide?

I'm not trying to push a particular horse in this race. I'm just annoyed when people use the "X Killer" phrase when it has no bearing on reality. At best one can argue iOS/Android/WP7 are Blackberry killers because of RIMs dwindling sales and dominance on the market. But even that is a stretch.

Netflix was a Blockbuster killer. VHS was a Beta killer. Nobody is killing the iPhone right now.

Apple was the smartphone market sales leader. It took Android 18 months to steal their crown. So Android killed the iPhone. That doesn't mean the iPhone is bad or gone forever, they just aren't in charge anymore. Netflix killed Blockbuster, but there is still a Blockbuster down the street from me.

The horse you rode in on: fatalvenom: Meh.

I can't wait till I get this in a few days:

[www.unlockedcellphones2buy.com image 500x370]

Well, even what I'm toting around beats the iphone.
[pocketnow.com image 575x383]
Better screen
4G
Memory card slot (32 gb in right now)
No need to use the cluster-f that is Itunes
Removable battery

Love this guy so far

First off, let me say I'm not one of the fanboys who jump up and down spitting venom at anyone who disses iPhone.

But if it was purely a spec batle, unseating the iPhone wouldn't be a huge deal. Hell, I had this conversation with my dad as he was looking on getting a tablet. He also owns a BMW. I told him "My Grand Am has less miles, a bigger engine, and costs less. It is clearly a better car. Unless, of course, you want to make the argument that execution matters."

Then he went and bought a webOS tablet on ebay.

Anyway, I think anyone labeling their device an iPhone killer loses just because if your device can't make a name for itself, it is no where near killing the iPhone.

Komplex: Honest Bender: MightyPez: Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

Android is: A) A mobile phone platform (among other things) B) Has been steadily stealing market share C) You don't unseat the market leader over night.

Only three types of people buy an android
1) basement dwelling comic-cons who are angry that Jobs never returned their screenplay.
2) People who couldn't afford $199.
3) People who didn't want to leave their service provider.

You forgot...
4) People who like to open up the OS and change things to better suit their needs/wants.

madgonad: Apple was the smartphone market sales leader. It took Android 18 months to steal their crown. So Android killed the iPhone. That doesn't mean the iPhone is bad or gone forever, they just aren't in charge anymore. Netflix killed Blockbuster, but there is still a Blockbuster down the street from me.

Blockbuster went bankrupt. Almost all of it's retail outlets are boarded up. It's effectively killed. They are certainly not boasting any of their quarterly earnings or showing off how great the store by you is doing. Apple is posting record profits and selling more devices than they have in the past. By what standard is that being killed?

here's the thing people tend to miss about smartphones that I mentioned earlier: It's a market coming out of its infancy and growing rapidly. In the past your options were Palm, Windows Mobile, and Blackberry. WM and palm were effectively non-choices and Blackberry was the de-facto (I would include Nokia, but I'm from the US so I can't comment appropriately on that). But then smartphones began to open up to consumers. Now a market that was perhaps less than 10% of overall mobile phone sales 5 years ago is hovering at 40% now. There is tons of room for these companies to grow and exapnd their presence. Until a year ago, 3g enabled iOS devices could only be purchased at a single carrier in the US. That's now expanding to 3 (excluding smaller regional carriers). Android has boomed in this time, Microsoft is making an aggressive showing, and there is still a big slice of the pie for everyone to go after.

Android or whatever isn't an iPhone killer. Now are iPhone killing anything else. They are direct competitors in a rapidly increasing market. To say otherwise is purely partisan and ignores the realities of the mobile phone market.

TheSneakerWhore: Komplex: Honest Bender: MightyPez: Honest Bender: thismomentinblackhistory: How many iPhone killers does it take to kill an iPhone?

Just one. Android.

Is that rhetorical or something? Because Android a) isn't a phone b) has been around for a while and c) the iphone is not killed

Android is: A) A mobile phone platform (among other things) B) Has been steadily stealing market share C) You don't unseat the market leader over night.

Only three types of people buy an android
1) basement dwelling comic-cons who are angry that Jobs never returned their screenplay.
2) People who couldn't afford $199.
3) People who didn't want to leave their service provider.

You forgot...
4) People who like to open up the OS and change things to better suit their needs/wants.

Yeah, potato po-tat-oh. #1 = #4

samsung galaxy S 2, free phone, $46/month contract.

Komplex: Only three types of people buy an android
1) basement dwelling comic-cons who are angry that Jobs never returned their screenplay.
2) People who couldn't afford $199.
3) People who didn't want to leave their service provider.

4) People that want a quality smartphone that isn't running iOS.