If you are going to be a monkey, may as well be a gorilla as I always say.

And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

PJ-: If you are going to be a monkey, may as well be a gorilla as I always say.

Gorillas are apes, not monkeys.

Al Gore could have stopped global warming but John Edwards' wife refused to sleep with him.

Yeah, that winter home in Canada is really going to pay off.

All snark aside so what? It is cheaper and more effective to mitigate the consequences after they happen then it is to attempt to stop them from happening.

Please don't waste our time with global warming denial. If you can read and research, you know it's real. Let's just move on to solutions, or the nearest thing we can get to solutions, k?

Good thing there will be a bunch of people here soon to tell us its all a hoax and make us feel better.

Shouldn't it be impossible to be worse than the "worst case scenario".

I think the important question here is, if Fark links to Slashdot, and Slashdot (for some reason) links back to Fark, does the internet implode? Or does it just make a little merry-go-round of stories?

We don't need no water, let the mother farker burn.

Burn, mother farker, burn.

PsiChi: Please don't waste our time with global warming denial. If you can read and research, you know it's real. Let's just move on to solutions, or the nearest thing we can get to solutions, k?

But what if we create a better world for nothing?

evilsearat: Good thing there will be a bunch of people here soon to tell us its all a hoax and make us feel better.

Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

That talking point is outdated, bro. The current one is "You can't PROVE the rising temperatures are caused by C02!". If you want to stay ahead of the pack, I recommend "OK, it's warming and we're causing it, but it's too late to do anything about it!".

Slaves2Darkness; All snark aside so what? It is cheaper and more effective to mitigate the consequences after they happen then it is to attempt to stop them from happening.

Because if there's one thing that 5,000 years of recorded human history and 3 billion years of planetary evolution have taught us, it's that Nature is really nothing more than a hindrance, and not really that dangerous at all. Certainly nothing to worry about for us.

A 3 meter rise in sea level? We'll just teach kids to swim and fish! Everything else will just work itself out with our help.

So the choices are either it's going to really suck or it's going to really suck³?

and yet I feel fine

PJ-: If you are going to be a monkey, may as well be a gorilla as I always say.



/Agrees

Global warming: It's how the Chesapeake Bay was formed.

simplicimus: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

Scoff all you want, the sea level continues to rise.

BEACH HOUSES FOR EVERYONE!

BurnShrike: I think the important question here is, if Fark links to Slashdot, and Slashdot (for some reason) links back to Fark, does the internet implode? Or does it just make a little merry-go-round of stories?

So far, the anti-recursion shield is holding, but God help us if that gives way...

Sarah Palin's Conscience; But what if we create a better world for nothing?

LOL. After a multi-generational, multi-national effort that consumes trillions of dollars and decades of intensive labor, the people of planet Earth finally work together to eliminate climate change and turn the world to a 100% green, sustainable model, eliminate poverty, famine and war and then the sun belches out some crazy gamma radiation wave that cooks the planet like a microwaved grape.

Doh.

/Or you know, aliens. "Hey way to clean this place up, humans, we're takin' it."

Klitch: Shouldn't it be impossible to be worse than the "worst case scenario".



"A case worse than a worse-case scenario."

Sarah Palin's Conscience: simplicimus: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

Scoff all you want, the sea level continues to rise.

BEACH HOUSES FOR EVERYONE!

Abortions for some, tiny American flags for others!

BurnShrike: PJ-: If you are going to be a monkey, may as well be a gorilla as I always say.

Gorillas are apes, not monkeys.

And they build nests, gorillas do.

Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

So here's the BEST temperature record, overlaid with temperature records from three other major groups:



Really? You're going with "the temperature isn't rising, if I get to cherry-pick the beginning, end, and duration of the interval"? I mean, you can show a very minor decrease if you only consider 1998-2007, but that just shows you're not paying attention to signal vs. noise. Useful paper from JGR on that topic. From it:

"Since the late 1970s, it has been recognized that the identification of human effects on climate is inherently a signal-to-noise (S/N) problem [Hasselmann, 1979; Madden and Ramanathan, 1980; Wigley and Jones, 1981; Wigley and Raper, 1990; Allen et al., 1994; Santer et al., 1994, 1995]. The warming signal arising from slow, human-caused changes in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases is embedded in the background 'noise' of natural climate variability. Yet much of the recent public discourse on the reality of a discernible human influence on global climate reflects pervasive confusion regarding the distinctions between short-term climate variability and long-term climate change." ...

"In summary, because of the effects of natural internal climate variability, we do not expect each year to be inexorably warmer than the preceding year, or each decade to be warmer than the last decade, even in the presence of strong anthropogenic forcing of the climate system. The clear message from our signal-to-noise analysis is that multi-decadal records are required for identifying human effects on tropospheric temperature. Minimal warming over a single decade does not disprove the existence of a slowly-evolving anthropogenic warming signal."

jakomo002: Slaves2Darkness; All snark aside so what? It is cheaper and more effective to mitigate the consequences after they happen then it is to attempt to stop them from happening.

Because if there's one thing that 5,000 years of recorded human history and 3 billion years of planetary evolution have taught us, it's that Nature is really nothing more than a hindrance, and not really that dangerous at all. Certainly nothing to worry about for us.

A 3 meter rise in sea level? We'll just teach kids to swim and fish! Everything else will just work itself out with our help.

You've got that backwards. Mankind is just a hindrance. Nature will be here long after we're gone.

Sarah Palin's Conscience: simplicimus: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

Scoff all you want, the sea level continues to rise.

BEACH HOUSES FOR EVERYONE!

Considering the alternative. I'll take global warming over a new ice age, any day.

Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

From TFA: The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

See, stupid libruls??? You're fancy-pants "experts" and "sicentists" really don't know wtf their talking about, so you should just stfu and let the oil companies make jobs for teh poeple who actually support th system and let you're lazy ass stay home and cash welfare checks!!!

/am I doing it right?

Gunther: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

That talking point is outdated, bro. The current one is "You can't PROVE the rising temperatures are caused by C02!". If you want to stay ahead of the pack, I recommend "OK, it's warming and we're causing it, but it's too late to do anything about it!".

Since BEST's data is the newest study and was widely cheered by warmists as affirmation of their beliefs, it's a better measure. It shows a temperature stagnation over the last decade and one of BEST's own scientists backs that up. Now before you attack the source, I'll forward you to the BEST scientist's own blog where she corrects a few mistakes in the story.

Two global warming posts which haven't been threadshiatted? In my fark? It's more likely than you think.

Let's get a global warming drinking game going. Every time a denier uses one of the common denialist arguments on this list (new window) everyone takes a drink.

I just wet my pants in panic.

jakomo002: Slaves2Darkness;

A 3 meter rise in sea level? We'll just teach kids to swim and fish! Everything else will just work itself out with our help.

Hey screw those 1% rich people that bought houses on the beach. They bought their ticket, They knew what they were getting into, I say 'Let'm Crash' :-)
(showing my age again)

chimp_ninja: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

So here's the BEST temperature record, overlaid with temperature records from three other major groups:

[berkeleyearth.org image 525x413]

Really? You're going with "the temperature isn't rising, if I get to cherry-pick the beginning, end, and duration of the interval"? I mean, you can show a very minor decrease if you only consider 1998-2007, but that just shows you're not paying attention to signal vs. noise. Useful paper from JGR on that topic. From it:
"Since the late 1970s, it has been recognized that the identification of human effects on climate is inherently a signal-to-noise (S/N) problem [Hasselmann, 1979; Madden and Ramanathan, 1980; Wigley and Jones, 1981; Wigley and Raper, 1990; Allen et al., 1994; Santer et al., 1994, 1995]. The warming signal arising from slow, human-caused changes in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases is embedded in the background 'noise' of natural climate variability. Yet much of the recent public discourse on the reality of a discernible human influence on global climate reflects pervasive confusion regarding the distinctions between short-term climate variability and long-term climate change." ...

"In summary, because of the effects of natural internal climate variability, we do not expect each year to be inexorably warmer than the preceding year, or each decade to be warmer than the last decade, even in the presence of strong anthropogenic forcing of the climate system. The clear message from our signal-to-noise analysis is that multi-decadal records are required for identifying human effects on tropospheric temperature. Minimal warming over a single decade does not disprove the existence of a slowly-evolving anthropogenic warming signal."

I love how all of these graphs shown by warmists cut off at the year 2000 which kind of proves my point. If you look at the post 2000 data on that graph you can see it's leveled off. If they showed it to 2010 it would clearly show stagnation.

Well, if I know anything about the Chinese government, they will in no way ignore this data in favor of recklessly fast industrialization and economic growth that trashes their own environment and brings the rest of the world with them.

Sarah Palin's Conscience: PsiChi: Please don't waste our time with global warming denial. If you can read and research, you know it's real. Let's just move on to solutions, or the nearest thing we can get to solutions, k?

But what if we create a better world for nothing?

I don't consider "George Orwell's 1984" a "better world."

Baryogenesis: Two global warming posts which haven't been threadshiatted? In my fark? It's more likely than you think.

Let's get a global warming drinking game going. Every time a denier uses one of the common denialist arguments on this list (new window) everyone takes a drink.

There's only a mild chance of alcohol poisoning here.

Change the forum to, say, Fox News, and there would be no chance of survival.

Helen_Arigby: From TFA: The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

See, stupid libruls??? You're fancy-pants "experts" and "sicentists" really don't know wtf their talking about, so you should just stfu and let the oil companies make jobs for teh poeple who actually support th system and let you're lazy ass stay home and cash welfare checks!!!

/am I doing it right?

You need to work in the word "elitist" and imply, directly or indirectly, that common sense is more valuable in matters of science than mathematical analysis of empirical data.

Baryogenesis: Two global warming posts which haven't been threadshiatted? In my fark? It's more likely than you think.

Let's get a global warming drinking game going. Every time a denier uses one of the common denialist arguments on this list (new window) everyone takes a drink.

Yikes. I enjoy getting sloppy as much as the next guy, but I'm gonna pass on that one.

nunoyo: Helen_Arigby: From TFA: The new figures for 2010 mean that levels of greenhouse gases are higher than the worst case scenario outlined by climate experts just four years ago.

See, stupid libruls??? You're fancy-pants "experts" and "sicentists" really don't know wtf their talking about, so you should just stfu and let the oil companies make jobs for teh poeple who actually support th system and let you're lazy ass stay home and cash welfare checks!!!

/am I doing it right?

You need to work in the word "elitist" and imply, directly or indirectly, that common sense is more valuable in matters of science than mathematical analysis of empirical data.

Also, blame Obama, and regulations in industry, and lazy union workers.

Brubold: I love how all of these graphs shown by warmists cut off at the year 2000 which kind of proves my point. If you look at the post 2000 data on that graph you can see it's leveled off. If they showed it to 2010 it would clearly show stagnation.

...that graph goes past 2000. It goes almost to 2010, looks like about 2008 to me.

Slaves2Darkness: All snark aside so what? It is cheaper and more effective to mitigate the consequences after they happen then it is to attempt to stop them from happening.

You just made this up.

From the Stern Review, the largest economic study performed on the topic of climate change:
"This Review has assessed a wide range of evidence on the impacts of climate change and on the economic costs, and has used a number of different techniques to assess costs and risks. From all of these perspectives, the evidence gathered by the Review leads to a simple conclusion: the benefits of strong and early action far outweigh the economic costs of not acting."

"Using the results from formal economic models, the Review estimates that if we don't act, the overall costs and risks of climate change will be equivalent to losing at least 5% of global GDP each year, now and forever. If a wider range of risks and impacts is taken into account, the estimates of damage could rise to 20% of GDP or more. In contrast, the costs of action - reducing greenhouse gas emissions to avoid the worst impacts of climate change - can be limited to around 1% of global GDP each year."

So, how did you get this completely backwards to not only the climate change issue, but virtually every pollution issue? When we noticed that coal plants were spewing out sulfur oxides that caused acid rain, we fixed the problem at its source and installed Bush the Elder's cap-and-trade system that has been an overwhelming success to date. (Note: This is from an era before most American conservatives fully became scientifically illiterate Bible-thumping troglodytes.)

It's almost as if globalization has increased the pace of pollution and resource consumption!

Warming? Yes,,,
Caused by CO2.
NOT...

The video below should put your wittle minds at rest...
(I especially like the part when he calls her an ignorant slut)

The Global Warming Hoax Explained for Dummies

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chimp_ninja: Brubold: And yet BEST's own data shows that temperature hasn't risen in over a decade. Imagine that.

So here's the BEST temperature record, overlaid with temperature records from three other major groups:

Even better link showing warming (and "cooling") in the BEST data (in animated gif format, no less).