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(EITB) Ironic Eviction from a house, but from a grave? Pushed for space, a Spanish cemetery has begun placing stickers on thousands of burial sites with lapsed leases as a warning to relatives that their ancestors face possible eviction   (eitb.com) divider line 61
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2011-11-08 09:18:08 AM
Best.Squatters.Evar.
 
2011-11-08 09:37:51 AM
Torrero, like many Spanish cemeteries, no longer allows people to buy grave sites, instead leasing them out for periods of five or 49 years.

How many generations do they expect people to give a shiat where relatives they maybe even never met are buried?
 
2011-11-08 10:35:29 AM
Who leases a burial plot? I mean, besides Jesus.

"He won't need it for very long."
 
2011-11-08 11:05:08 AM
Storyline for the next Poltergeist movie - Complete.
 
2011-11-08 11:05:43 AM
Wasn't this the subject of a Ray Bradbury story?
 
2011-11-08 11:06:36 AM
Shadow Blasko: Storyline for the next Poltergeist movie - Complete.

Thread over.
 
2011-11-08 11:06:41 AM
Entertainment tab?
 
2011-11-08 11:07:03 AM
It's just a matter of time.

Setting aside a plot of land permanently to hold the remains of some long-dead shmuck is wasteful and unsustainable.

We need to start composting bodies, not embalming them and keeping them in their own little patch of land.
 
2011-11-08 11:07:16 AM
Sybarite: Torrero, like many Spanish cemeteries, no longer allows people to buy grave sites, instead leasing them out for periods of five or 49 years.

How many generations do they expect people to give a shiat where relatives they maybe even never met are buried?


I thought I read somewhere that, even in cases where it was ownership and not a lease, some countries were moving to change the laws to allow reuse of burial plots after X number of decades, on the assumption that decomposition is more or less complete and everyone who would remember the deceased and visit the grave had likely passed away themselves.
 
2011-11-08 11:08:39 AM
Quite common in Germany. Depending on the graveyard, graves stay for a period between 30 and 50 years.
 
2011-11-08 11:08:41 AM
Why do we still bury the dead? They're just chunks of flesh and bone at that point. Potential energy. Wasted. And wasting space.

When I die, I want to be thrown in a peat bog.
 
2011-11-08 11:08:42 AM
the city's Torrero graveyard had already removed remains from some 420 crypts, and reburied them in common ground.

is "common ground" a polite way to say mass grave?
 
2011-11-08 11:09:30 AM
BurnShrike: It's just a matter of time.

Setting aside a plot of land permanently to hold the remains of some long-dead shmuck is wasteful and unsustainable.

We need to start composting bodies, not embalming them and keeping them in their own little patch of land.


/Cremation FTW
 
2011-11-08 11:10:18 AM
Splinshints: Why do we still bury the dead? They're just chunks of flesh and bone at that point. Potential energy. Wasted. And wasting space.

Remember the story about the guy who figured out how to make diesel out of dead cats?

/ Soylent Petroleum is people!
 
2011-11-08 11:11:10 AM
improvius: Entertainment tab?

I fail to be entertained by this story.
 
2011-11-08 11:11:27 AM
Common practice in the Philippines.
 
2011-11-08 11:15:22 AM
Any historian can tell you that cemeteries have been dug up and reused since pretty much the invention of cemeteries. It's no big deal.
 
2011-11-08 11:17:34 AM
BurnShrike: It's just a matter of time.

Setting aside a plot of land permanently to hold the remains of some long-dead shmuck is wasteful and unsustainable.

We need to start composting bodies, not embalming them and keeping them in their own little patch of land.


this is latin style burial. very different. First of all, the tomb is above ground. and, one of those tombs can hold over 80 people. The deceased are not embalmed or preserved. They are set inside the tomb, and then it is sealed. While it decays, the temperature gets extremely hot inside, completely cooking off the flesh. That's why the rule mandates the newly interred to be sealed in for a year and a day. When the seal is broken, the body is nothing but bones and dust. If it's time to put in a new body, you shove the previous to the back of the tomb, where there's a hole. the bones fall down the hole to continue to break down (probably upon a stack of all the previous people dumped in). Re-seal it, and let the new body decay. rack 'em and stack 'em. A body takes up very little space and continues to decay while in there. It's basically a constant oven (if there is stuff to decay). you can easily fit all the members of several generations of family in there.

/ lives in nola. they bury them above ground because it's latin, not because flooding.
 
2011-11-08 11:20:31 AM
Sybarite: How many generations do they expect people to give a shiat where relatives they maybe even never met are buried?

That could be a cool sci-fi story. Reanimating corpses to save on your ancestors' rent.
 
2011-11-08 11:21:13 AM
Sybarite: How many generations do they expect people to give a shiat where relatives they maybe even never met are buried?

I'd tend to say that 2 49 year leases should do it. That way the little kid who briefly knew great-grandpa can still visit.

Want to stay in the crypt longer? Make it a family one where your deceased relatives are stacked on top of and beside you.

'Permanent' graves are mostly a conceit of Americans - we haven't even passed a quarter eon yet, and don't have the population densities of most of the rest of the world. We can afford to be frivolous with our use of land. It's getting tighter even for us though.

/My will is that I be cremated. The body is just meat once I'm gone.
//Wonder if they'll eventually start doing this for Arlington?
 
2011-11-08 11:21:26 AM
Years ago I lived near a graveyard. It was a beautiful place and I use to go sit in one area and have lunch. There were tombstones from over a hundred years ago. One day I went and the tombstones were gone. I went to the office to find out why and they told me there never were graves there. I kept insisting that I knew there were graves and I wanted to know why they were lying to me. I finally got them to admit the graves were moved to make room for new burials. I was livid. I thought when you buy a plot that is your final resting place and never imagined that one day someone would dig you up and resell the plot. Maybe I'm naive but that still pisses me off to this day. Funny how they didn't move the huge monuments, just the simple headstones that might not be missed. Assholes.
 
2011-11-08 11:22:17 AM
Yep, Germany does this too. And they slap those stickers on at all angles. Really, um, respectful.
 
2011-11-08 11:22:40 AM
Q: How is this ironic? A: It's not.
Q: Why the entertainment thread? A: Gawd knows.

/Because people who don't know what irony is think exhumations are entertaining, perhaps.
 
2011-11-08 11:33:52 AM
Arlington was to stop Robert E Lee from moving back home.

I thought in Mexico they do this as well, and if the body doesn't rot then they are basically declared a saint.
 
2011-11-08 11:34:43 AM
blog.rounds.com
Those....
DEADBEATS.
 
2011-11-08 11:38:21 AM
Shadow Blasko: Storyline for the next Poltergeist movie - Complete.

C'mon. It's not like it's ancient tribal burial ground. It's just people.
 
2011-11-08 11:38:30 AM
 
2011-11-08 11:39:42 AM
That's a lot nicer than what they did in Savannah, GA. When the big money from slavery started rolling in, the newly rich people didn't want to move to expanded parts of the cities, so they "shrunk" the cemetaries. If you're in the downtown area by the cemetary, you'll see gravestones right up against the fence, facing out.

Also, there was a new, 5-star hotel that went up a few years back. When they dug out the foundation for it, they found a mass grave fromm the yellow fever. The city wanted the hotel to go up so badly that they just told the crew to build on it anyway.

/loves haunted tours on vacation.
 
2011-11-08 11:39:59 AM
The remains in Spain fall mainly on the plain.
 
2011-11-08 11:42:16 AM
This is very common. At St. Peter's in Salzberg, Austria (the church graveyard is famous for being the inspiration for the cemetery escape scene in Sound of Music), the family gets a bill once every 10 years- pay the rent and the plot/crypt remains in the family. Don't pay and the plot will be reused. Seems reasonable to me.

I worked at a church in England that had a policy where, after 40 years, a plot could be reused. It wasn't uncommon to dig a grave and find bones from the previous tenants. The graveyard itself was very small and the church had no way to expand the cemetery because of development around the property. The church had very careful records concerning who was buried where and at what depth but the tombstone was always for the most recent occupant. Old tombstones got stacked along the wall.
 
2011-11-08 11:47:52 AM
HailRobonia: Any historian can tell you that cemeteries have been dug up and reused since pretty much the invention of cemeteries. It's no big deal.


Sometimes sooner than expected.

s11.allstarpics.net
 
2011-11-08 11:49:36 AM
Who cares? They're dead.
 
2011-11-08 12:02:29 PM
gunga galunga: Shadow Blasko: Storyline for the next Poltergeist movie - Complete.

C'mon. It's not like it's ancient tribal burial ground. It's just people.


so were those people. also.... the burial ground wasn't "ancient" in poltergeist. just old. Pet Semetary had the "ancient" burial ground.
 
2011-11-08 12:03:39 PM
Perfectly commonplace practice in areas with scant available real estate. If your relatives don't pay the rent, your bones are dug up and placed in an ossuary. GIS the Sedlec Ossuary for the possible results of this.

What's all the fuss about?
 
2011-11-08 12:05:50 PM
My family has scattered graves all over the state, and as elders in the family pass on, it's hard as hell to remember who is buried where, or how to get to some isolated graveyard that only great-uncle Bub remembers.

I remember having to go clean graves every spring with my mother, but since she's gone, I don't know who is taking care of the graves. I'm not even sure whose graves we were cleaning or where they are located.

My kids love going to funerals for the pomp, but go back later and visit, no thanks, Mom. You're on your own. Don't blame them, I don't care about visiting either.
 
2011-11-08 12:26:26 PM
NOBODY expects the Spanish ...

/oh buggar
 
2011-11-08 01:08:37 PM
London Times excerpt:

Archaeologists exploring a graveyard at St Pancras stumbled across a coffin containing a mysterious set of bones. They were later identified as belonging to a walrus. An explanation for the animal's dignified burial has not yet surfaced.

London has a 'death map' with location of over 20,000 skeletons which have been found, then reburied, over past decades of excavation for subways, drainage, buildings etc

More entertaining:

The Bone Church (new window)
 
2011-11-08 01:08:58 PM
Also standard operating procedure in Poland. My wife's folk's lease is up sometime around 2030. No idea what happens after that.

They also have that whole Catholic 'death worship' thing going on. Every Nov 1st you hang out at the rented grave and stick candles everywhere. Worst. Hallmark Holiday. Ever.
 
2011-11-08 01:22:40 PM
Diogenes: Best.Squatters.Evar.

OCCUPY ZARAGOZA!
 
2011-11-08 01:39:36 PM
Alphager: Quite common in Germany. Depending on the graveyard, graves stay for a period between 30 and 50 years.

I didn't realize that, so when my German great aunt told me that her parents had been buried near Berlin but were no longer there, my first thought was Zombies!
 
2011-11-08 01:52:37 PM
Splinshints: Why do we still bury the dead? They're just chunks of flesh and bone at that point. Potential energy. Wasted. And wasting space.

When I die, I want to be thrown in a peat bog.


"From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.

Edvard Munch"


I'd rather be shot into space on a rendevous with Antares about 10 million years later, personally. Who knows what adventures my corpse could experience?!
 
2011-11-08 01:55:04 PM
Manic Depressive Mouse: Alphager: Quite common in Germany. Depending on the graveyard, graves stay for a period between 30 and 50 years.

I didn't realize that, so when my German great aunt told me that her parents had been buried near Berlin but were no longer there, my first thought was Zombies!


This is not an unreasonable first thought...
 
2011-11-08 01:56:42 PM
Mija: Years ago I lived near a graveyard. It was a beautiful place and I use to go sit in one area and have lunch. There were tombstones from over a hundred years ago. One day I went and the tombstones were gone. I went to the office to find out why and they told me there never were graves there. I kept insisting that I knew there were graves and I wanted to know why they were lying to me. I finally got them to admit the graves were moved to make room for new burials. I was livid. I thought when you buy a plot that is your final resting place and never imagined that one day someone would dig you up and resell the plot. Maybe I'm naive but that still pisses me off to this day. Funny how they didn't move the huge monuments, just the simple headstones that might not be missed. Assholes.

It stands to reason that sooner or later, we'll run out of space. You have to extrapolate out to the absurd to estimate when all sq footage in the USA is taken up, but realistically the cost of perpetual title to a particular spot is a problem, sometimes even within a few years, because it gets placed on land on the outskirts of town. Sooner or later settlement grows into those areas and it doesn't always make sense to have a cemetary in the middle of a housing development or minimall. It's done sometimes, but real estate becomes valuable because that value represents the utility in keeping a city dense. Cemeteries do need to move.
 
2011-11-08 02:20:51 PM
I guess it happens in the United States too:

i39.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-08 02:24:27 PM
Seraphym: Splinshints: Why do we still bury the dead? They're just chunks of flesh and bone at that point. Potential energy. Wasted. And wasting space.

When I die, I want to be thrown in a peat bog.

"From my rotting body,
flowers shall grow
and I am in them
and that is eternity.

Edvard Munch"

I'd rather be shot into space on a rendevous with Antares about 10 million years later, personally. Who knows what adventures my corpse could experience?!


Nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyan, nyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyanyan...

/Picture of Nyancorpse omitted
 
2011-11-08 02:28:46 PM
Mija: Years ago I lived near a graveyard. It was a beautiful place and I use to go sit in one area and have lunch. There were tombstones from over a hundred years ago. One day I went and the tombstones were gone. I went to the office to find out why and they told me there never were graves there. I kept insisting that I knew there were graves and I wanted to know why they were lying to me. I finally got them to admit the graves were moved to make room for new burials. I was livid. I thought when you buy a plot that is your final resting place and never imagined that one day someone would dig you up and resell the plot. Maybe I'm naive but that still pisses me off to this day. Funny how they didn't move the huge monuments, just the simple headstones that might not be missed. Assholes.

You sound surprised. Few industries have such outright thievery legalized.
 
2011-11-08 02:30:32 PM
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Heck with that "common ground" stuff, get creative.
 
2011-11-08 03:51:52 PM
This is very common in europe, where some cemeteries have existed for thousands of years. Eventually, you just need to reuse the space.
 
2011-11-08 05:05:46 PM
Everyone has small family cemeteries here and almost all on private family owned land. They're usually in the woods or up in the hills where there's really no other use for the land anyway so there's little danger of them being disturbed. Forgotten and lost to time is another story.
 
2011-11-08 06:11:38 PM
When there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the Earth.
 
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