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(MSNBC) Fail Bad: 13 year-old, poor African American girl is raped. Real bad: She's impregnated. Fark: The state decides she's a whore and needs to be sterilized   (rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 225
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2011-11-07 09:22:06 PM
totalfark: the state claims she's mentally ill, yet she graduated from college.
 
2011-11-07 09:28:22 PM
That's horrible! I thought it just said African girl at first which is upsetting enough. Then I saw that it was North Carolina...

I'm sure glad it's not 1967 anymore. People like to pretend things were so much better in the past.
 
2011-11-07 09:28:27 PM
talulahgosh: totalfark: the state claims she's mentally ill, yet she graduated from college.

No one has ever accused American colleges of being hard to graduate from...
 
2011-11-07 09:31:21 PM
How was she dressed at the time of the rape, hmmm?
 
2011-11-07 09:46:21 PM
Ultra Far: She only found out 6 years later.

It wouldn't be until Riddick was 19, married and wanting more children, that she'd learn she was incapable of having any more babies. A doctor in New York where she was living at the time told her that she'd been sterilized.
 
2011-11-07 09:47:37 PM
State Representative Larry Womble has been advocating for the survivors of the state's sterilization program for nearly 10 years. He helped fight for the repeal of the state's law.

Give this guy a medal. Larry Womble: you are a cool dude. Thank you for doing the right thing.
 
2011-11-07 10:04:04 PM
Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.
 
2011-11-07 11:36:47 PM
That is incredibly disturbing.
 
2011-11-07 11:50:44 PM
Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.


That's just terrible. But I should say that I don't see the point in sterilizing/castrating homosexuals... They aren't particularly known for their reproductive capabilities... Terrible nonetheless, just to reiterate...
 
2011-11-07 11:57:33 PM
BroVinny: How was she dressed at the time of the rape, hmmm?

-3/10

stfu and go back to trolling school
 
2011-11-08 12:04:46 AM
You can revert a tubal ligation right?

I kind of feel like maybe everybody should be sterlized until they take and pass a parenting test.
 
2011-11-08 12:05:57 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.


What good does that do?
 
2011-11-08 12:07:49 AM
Peter von Nostrand: BroVinny: How was she dressed at the time of the rape, hmmm?

-3/10

stfu and go back to trolling school


Must've hit a nerve. I didn't know any of the sterilization victims were on Fark until now.
 
2011-11-08 12:08:55 AM
Paris1127: Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.

That's just terrible. But I should say that I don't see the point in sterilizing/castrating homosexuals... They aren't particularly known for their reproductive capabilities... Terrible nonetheless, just to reiterate...


That wasn't the reasoning. Up until the 1960s homosexuals were deemed mentally ill in Oregon. While rapists, child molesters, etc. were given vasectomies, homosexuals were targeted much more harshly. Oregon was using castration in an attempt at ridding the state of homosexuals altogether.
 
2011-11-08 12:10:02 AM
serial_crusher: Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.

What good does that do?


Oregon was using castration in an attempt at ridding the state of homosexuals altogether.
 
2011-11-08 12:20:12 AM
This is what conservative small government looks like. 'The State' only did this only because job creators didn't want another tax burden.

Thank god she gave birth, though. Wouldn't want to interfere with that.
 
2011-11-08 12:23:35 AM
What. The. Fark.
 
2011-11-08 12:23:40 AM
North Carolina was one of 31 states to have a government run eugenics program. By the 1960s, tens of thousands of Americans were sterilized as a result of these programs.

For the past eight years, North Carolina lawmakers have been working to find a way to compensate those involuntarily sterilized in the state between 1929 and 1974. During that time period, 7,600 people were sterilized in North Carolina. Of those who were sterilized, 85 percent of the victims were female and 40 percent were non-white.


FTFA. Just wanted to put that out there.
 
2011-11-08 12:25:22 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.


1981? Wow. I'm not surprised by much and even that surprises me.

bobbette: State Representative Larry Womble has been advocating for the survivors of the state's sterilization program for nearly 10 years. He helped fight for the repeal of the state's law.

Give this guy a medal. Larry Womble: you are a cool dude. Thank you for doing the right thing.


This. We give our politicians sh*t all the time. We should recognize when they step up and serve the public correctly.
 
2011-11-08 12:42:27 AM
coco ebert: Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.

1981? Wow. I'm not surprised by much and even that surprises me.

bobbette: State Representative Larry Womble has been advocating for the survivors of the state's sterilization program for nearly 10 years. He helped fight for the repeal of the state's law.

Give this guy a medal. Larry Womble: you are a cool dude. Thank you for doing the right thing.

This. We give our politicians sh*t all the time. We should recognize when they step up and serve the public correctly.


Indeed.

It made me proud when Oregon's governor made a public apology in 2002 to all those who were forcibly sterilized. Oregon Governor Apologizes For Eugenics "Misdeeds" (new window)
 
2011-11-08 12:43:16 AM
I should just start submitting everything in Generic And Repetitive font.

/or is it a language?
 
2011-11-08 12:56:30 AM
My state had a eugenics program. Mostly it was for the sterilization of native Americans and people in the state hospital. I don't think North Dakota ever issued an apology. It's swept under the rug, much like our prohibition-era activity was, and much like the Indian school system has been.

Did anybody notice that Proctor and Gamble was started by a famous eugenicist? I already don't buy Bayer products because of the concentration camp they used to run. Now I'm going to have to stop buying P&G products on ethical grounds.
 
2011-11-08 01:09:27 AM
Speaking of eugenics advocates, Donald Rumsfeld used to be one and probably still is. I remember seeing an old newspaper clipping about his approval for forced sterilization. I believe at the time he was working for a pharmaceutical company or something like that.
 
2011-11-08 01:13:47 AM
serial_crusher: You can revert a tubal ligation right?

I kind of feel like maybe everybody should be sterlized until they take and pass a parenting test.


Most of the time a tubal can be reversed. But in the article, her doctor said she was "butchered". Guess that may be beyond repair. :/

I agree with the "parenting test" for the most part. I know when I worked for a place that dealt with high functioning developmentally disabled and/or mentally retarded clients, the agency made the girls take birth control shots when they started their menstrual cycle. I know it can be reversed, but I really can't see that being different than the surgery.

It's one of those things... where do you draw the line and who gets to draw that line?
 
2011-11-08 01:19:55 AM
sheilanagig: I already don't buy Bayer products because of the concentration camp they used to run. Now I'm going to have to stop buying P&G products on ethical grounds.

That's totally logical and not dumb at all.
 
2011-11-08 01:44:31 AM
"So why haven't you told the authorities your story?"

"Because they've never listened to me."
 
2011-11-08 02:00:31 AM
log_jammin: sheilanagig: I already don't buy Bayer products because of the concentration camp they used to run. Now I'm going to have to stop buying P&G products on ethical grounds.

That's totally logical and not dumb at all.


If you knew what P&G were allowed to put in your shampoo, you'd probably join me. Bayer is the only pharma company in existence, to my knowledge, to have run a concentration camp with the cooperation of the Nazi regime. They conducted human vivisection experiments. I think that's morally repugnant. That's a perfectly logical reason to not do business with them.
 
2011-11-08 02:02:30 AM
Oh, but ain't that America
For you and me
Ain't that America
Something to see, baby
Ain't that America
Home of the free, yeah
Little pink houses
For you and me
Oooh, yeah
For you and me
 
2011-11-08 02:36:57 AM
sheilanagig: If you knew what P&G were allowed to put in your shampoo, you'd probably join me.

1. whatever P&G are allowed to put in their shampoo, everyone else is allowed to add to their shampoo as well

2. I thought the reason for your boycott was your (false) claim that "Proctor and Gamble was started by a famous eugenicist". Is it that or is it shampoo ingredients?
 
2011-11-08 03:00:06 AM
sheilanagig: My state had a eugenics program. Mostly it was for the sterilization of native Americans and people in the state hospital. I don't think North Dakota ever issued an apology. It's swept under the rug, much like our prohibition-era activity was, and much like the Indian school system has been.

Did anybody notice that Proctor and Gamble was started by a famous eugenicist? I already don't buy Bayer products because of the concentration camp they used to run. Now I'm going to have to stop buying P&G products on ethical grounds.


So, was it William Proctor (candlemaker) or his brother-in-law, James Gamble (soapmaker) who was the eugenicist? They're the founders of Proctor and Gamble.

The reason I'm asking is that the eugenics movement became popular in the early decades of the 20th century. The company founders both died in the 19th century. William Gamble in 1884, James Proctor in 1891.

I'm not saying it's impossible that one or both of them were involved in the eugenics movement, but it seems unlikely. They died before it became popular, and it does not seem that either of them were well educated, given their careers before they founded Proctor and Gamble.
 
2011-11-08 03:32:34 AM
Peter von Nostrand: BroVinny: How was she dressed at the time of the rape, hmmm?

-3/10

stfu and go back to trolling school


negative score...I'd say that the troll was successful. 10/10
 
2011-11-08 03:33:40 AM
Did anyone else notice that Governor Perdue looks like Carol Brady?
 
2011-11-08 03:37:35 AM
That's a sad story. It almost makes me question my support for the concept of forced sterilization.
 
2011-11-08 03:37:48 AM
People are getting farked up in this thread
 
2011-11-08 03:39:33 AM
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2011-11-08 03:40:37 AM
sheilanagig: log_jammin: sheilanagig: I already don't buy Bayer products because of the concentration camp they used to run. Now I'm going to have to stop buying P&G products on ethical grounds.

That's totally logical and not dumb at all.

If you knew what P&G were allowed to put in your shampoo, you'd probably join me. Bayer is the only pharma company in existence, to my knowledge, to have run a concentration camp with the cooperation of the Nazi regime. They conducted human vivisection experiments. I think that's morally repugnant. That's a perfectly logical reason to not do business with them.


although I love your Irish pu-nany carvings, I have to say the people responsible for that are probably long dead, and if not that retired and not running the company. So it's not a logical reason not to do business with them. Next you won't buy Mitsubishi or Mercedes products because they made part for the Axis war machine. Then you won't buy Hugo Boss because of the whole Nazi uniform thing, and that leads to you not paying taxes to the US government since the US government employed people that designed Nazi terror weapons like the V2 rocket to shoot out astronauts to the Moon.
 
Juc
2011-11-08 03:40:41 AM
I'd make fun, but my province used to sterilize handicap people.
Shoulda been the law makers that got the treatment, what morons.
 
2011-11-08 03:41:42 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.


I'm not comfortable with making judgements about decisions made in 1967 for people that at that time were deemed mentally ill. Hindsight is always keener.

BTW, Bathia_Mapes, I'm completely not speaking to you. Just using your post. I've always appreciated your well balanced postings.

But folks today need to temper their opinions on what they think about previous decisions based on the current social opinions of those days.

And no, I'm not condoning, just trying to understand our history. For example, until the 1860's slavery was a socially acceptable practice. Nobody today would in public accept that as a socially acceptable practice.

Don't judge the ones living in it, judge them if they can't change.
 
2011-11-08 03:43:07 AM
And the hooooome of theeeeeee braaaaaaaaave
 
2011-11-08 03:43:09 AM
Skyrmion: That's a sad story. It almost makes me question my support for the concept of forced sterilization.

So if I laughed does that mean I'm going to hell?
 
2011-11-08 03:52:46 AM
Kind of off on a tangent here, but it's not that unusual for hospitals to see 10-12 year olds having babies. Some of them are from rape, but mostly it's from adult male boyfriends. These guys come for visits. I couldn't believe they weren't turned in to police by the hospital, but that wasn't policy. In four years I guess I saw about 15 of these girls.
 
2011-11-08 03:54:21 AM
better living through science

i know someone who was on iowa's eugenics board which also sterilized people until the 1970s. i try not to look at him funny because of that but it's hard. it's hard,man. and not the same kind of hard i get when I look at your mom
 
2011-11-08 03:57:46 AM
bobbette: State Representative Larry Womble has been advocating for the survivors of the state's sterilization program for nearly 10 years. He helped fight for the repeal of the state's law.

Give this guy a medal. Larry Womble: you are a cool dude. Thank you for doing the right thing.


Well it's in his nature to make good use of the things everyday folks leave behind.
 
2011-11-08 03:57:57 AM
Forced sterilization should only happen after a person is given the chance for two offspring. After that you are just adding to the problem.
 
2011-11-08 03:58:14 AM
Skyrmion: That's a sad story. It almost makes me question my support for the concept of forced sterilization.

Let's not be too hasty.

As an avid breeder myself (of the unmarried variety, natch!) I'm getting a kick out of looking out my window every five minutes to see if you're coming to trim m' vas.
 
2011-11-08 04:01:34 AM
serial_crusher: Bathia_Mapes: Sadly, Oregon was forcibly sterilizing people until 1981, all in the name of eugenics,

Mentally handicapped people were sterilized, but also epileptics, the mentally ill, homosexuals, habitual criminals. Those who were sterilized were often inmates of state hospitals/institutions & prisons. Homosexual men were castrated.

What good does that do?


You never know when a homosexual will get drunk in a dark, crowded room and accidentally a vagina.
 
2011-11-08 04:04:44 AM
CasperImproved: For example, until the 1860's slavery was a socially acceptable practice. Nobody today would in public accept that as a socially acceptable practice.

In public, no. ThEre is A grouP ARound That You wouldn't be surprised of saying so in private.

To play devil's advocate, the underlying idea of Eugenics - eliminating negative characteristics and promoting desirable ones through selective breeding - is a valid one that truly could benefit the human race. It's just the implementation that's morally abhorrent. Make it voluntary (possibly via a financial incentive), and is much more acceptable.
 
2011-11-08 04:09:57 AM
pedobearapproved: Skyrmion: That's a sad story. It almost makes me question my support for the concept of forced sterilization.

So if I laughed does that mean I'm going to hell?


And I went and kept my "What's wrong with sterilizing retards?" comment to myself. . .
 
2011-11-08 04:13:09 AM
pedobearapproved:
So it's not a logical reason not to do business with them. Next you won't buy Mitsubishi or Mercedes products because they made part for the Axis war machine. Then you won't buy Hugo Boss because of the whole Nazi uniform thing, and that leads to you not paying taxes to the US government since the US government employed people that designed Nazi terror weapons like the V2 rocket to shoot out astronauts to the Moon.


or like shopping at whole foods, knowing their ceo is ultra-conservative and republican.
oh wait, he's not dead yet.
 
2011-11-08 04:15:06 AM
clyph: CasperImproved: For example, until the 1860's slavery was a socially acceptable practice. Nobody today would in public accept that as a socially acceptable practice.

In public, no. ThEre is A grouP ARound That You wouldn't be surprised of saying so in private.

To play devil's advocate, the underlying idea of Eugenics - eliminating negative characteristics and promoting desirable ones through selective breeding - is a valid one that truly could benefit the human race. It's just the implementation that's morally abhorrent. Make it voluntary (possibly via a financial incentive), and is much more acceptable.


Oh aye. Couldn't be any of this nature vs nurture crap involved though. But sterilize retards? Why the fark not sterilize retards? I'm not trolling, just expressing what I think is a legitimate concern.
 
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