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(Huffington Post) Stupid Mississippi's proposed new law defining a fertilized egg as a person could force coroners to investigate miscarriages and allow people to sue on behalf of an egg that didn't implant in the uterus due to birth control   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 209
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2011-11-07 05:27:45 PM
More lies from the radical leftists
 
2011-11-07 05:52:49 PM
Half of all human embryos expire before the mother has any way of knowing that the egg was ever fertilized.

That's God for you.
 
2011-11-07 07:30:12 PM
As disgusting and hateful towards women as this law is, part of me wants to see them pass it, the fu*king 'tards.

Granted, it's the spiteful little schadenfreude-junkie part that I try not to listen to, but still...

EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

Says who? The voices in your head?

What do you think is going to happen if this law passes? Magically Mississippi gets a zero percent abortion rate coupled with a 100 percent adoption rate?

C'mon, smart guy, tell me how it's going to be.

Or did I just bite on troll bait?
 
2011-11-07 08:28:58 PM
This is great news..............for lawyers.
 
2011-11-07 08:33:30 PM
I do not want to go to these people's Heaven for eternity.
 
2011-11-07 08:36:00 PM
I'm just afraid such legislative actions are going to force us towards a judicial showdown in the Supreme Court and they will overturn Roe v. Wade.
 
2011-11-07 08:46:31 PM
Clearly this is a well thought out plan.
 
2011-11-07 08:51:03 PM
cretinbob: Clearly this is a well thought out plan.

And yet another reason to avoid the Southern states.

West Coast - yeah! Abort those unwanted children, smoke medical weed and disregard any notions of sin.
 
2011-11-07 09:05:58 PM
EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

Where are all these radical leftists? I'd like to meet them.
 
2011-11-07 09:10:13 PM
The state's Republican governor, Haley Barbour, told Chuck Todd on MSNBC last week that he had concerns about the initiative's ambiguity and its ramifications for women's health.

"I believe life begins at conception," Barbour said. "Unfortunately, this personhood amendment doesn't say that. It says life begins at fertilization, or cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof. That ambiguity is striking a lot of pro-life people here as concerning. And I'm talking about people that are very outspokenly pro-life."

"I am concerned about some of the ramifications on in vitro fertilization and [ectopic] pregnancies where pregnancies [occur] outside the uterus and [in] the fallopian tubes," he continued. "That concerns me, I have to just say it."

The following day, Barbour voted for the initiative using an absentee ballot.


What a cocksucker.
 
2011-11-07 09:12:54 PM
cretinbob: Clearly this is a well thought out plan.

That's next. Thinking about having an abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about thinking about... oh fark. I divided by zero.
 
2011-11-07 09:16:06 PM
Ah, there's that good old fashioned small government that Republicans love. This bill is such a massive government overreach of personal freedoms, according to the GOP, it must be a liberal bill. After all, unless every single Republican is a flaming hypocrite, they wouldn't propose such a massive invasion of personal freedom.

Right?
 
2011-11-07 09:26:06 PM
shanrick: cretinbob: Clearly this is a well thought out plan.

That's next. Thinking about having an abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about thinking about... oh fark. I divided by zero.


Is this the same state that tried to pass a law that any woman trying to cross the state border would have to prove she wasn't pregnant, and therefore possibly on her way to an out-of-state abortion? Because that was one of the most farked up things I have ever read.
 
2011-11-07 09:26:37 PM
Goddammit, when I wrote this thing about five years ago, I considered it an amusing logic exercise. I truly didn't expect that it would be a functional description of what a state was trying to do:

Axiom: the taking of innocent life is wrong, whether through intent or neglect

Statement: an unborn child is an innocent life

Proposition: A fertilized egg is an unborn child

Statement: We punish intentional harm or neglect of a born child with legal consequences including imprisonment and the loss of parental rights.

Thus:
Any act which, by intent or neglect, causes the death of a fertilized egg is wrong, and should be subject to legal sanction

Axiom: At least 50% of fertilized eggs die due to non-implantation or other biological problems which prevent growth.

Axiom: An undefined, but nonzero, percentage of those deaths are caused by acts or omissions on the part of the mother, such as poor nutrition, drug use, or risky physical behaviors

Conclusion 1: Thus, to prevent the taking of innocent life, all pregnant women must be prevented from engaging in acts or omissions which may lead to the death of the fertilized egg.

Axiom: An undefined, but nonzero, percentage of women of childbearing age are pregnant for a period of time prior to their knowledge of this fact

Conclusion: ALL women of childbearing age must be subject to Conclusion 1 above

Corollary: As the legal system provides protection to born children, laws should be passed enforcing Conclusion 1 above.

Corollary: As medical science cannot, at present, remove a fertilized egg from a woman and grow it in a laboratory, the laws from the above corollary can not rely on present standards which would strip parental rights from a neglectful mother (we can't take the baby out of her by force). Thus, the legal force must revolve around imprisonment and forcible subjection to medical care based on the needs of the fetus.

Necessary conclusions based on the above:

• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to smoke cigarettes.
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to drink alcohol
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to maintain an unhealthy weight
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to engage in body-contact sports
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to engage in dangerous sports of any kind
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to consume any drug, whether legally prescribed or not, which has been shown to have teratogenic, mutagenic, or fetotoxic effects, even to save her life.
• All women of childbearing age should be forced to take a pregnancy test every month, with results reported to the state, so that early pregnancies may be monitored by agents of the state
• All pregnant women should be forced to follow a medically prudent schedule of prenatal care, and should be forced, under penalty of imprisonment or other punishments, to abide by any rules given to her by her state-licensed obstetrician.
 
2011-11-07 09:27:08 PM
Identical twins only get to count as one person if personhood is granted at conception.
 
2011-11-07 09:32:39 PM
AbbeySomeone: cretinbob: Clearly this is a well thought out plan.

And yet another reason to avoid the Southern states.

West Coast - yeah! Abort those unwanted children, smoke medical weed and disregard any notions of sin.


Any time I am around a younger person (younger being 40ish and below) that actually goes to church a common theme they always go back to is how almost everybody in their church is old.
You're witnessing the last gasps of the old south. Traditions die slowly here, but this bible-thumping-you'll-by-god-worship-J esus attitude is dying. All of this shiat is posturing to fire up the old Christians to vote for them. We all know older people vote more than other age groups, this is just a way to make sure they keep coming out to vote and cheer for the Rs.
 
2011-11-07 09:47:08 PM
Every sperm will be sacred.
 
2011-11-07 09:48:02 PM
This is truly a victory for supporters of limited government.
 
2011-11-07 09:50:18 PM
Mississippi where every sanitary napkin is a crime scene.


/Menses is murder.
 
2011-11-07 09:54:27 PM
EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

Do you care to support your statement with facts, or just continue to appear like a moron, thereby weakening your stance?

Honestly, let them vote for this thing. You'll have millions of women across the country up in arms when they hear about this and realize that this group will be doing this in four more states next year.
 
2011-11-07 10:10:37 PM
shanrick: cretinbob: Clearly this is a well thought out plan.

That's next. Thinking about having an abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about abortion will be illegal. Thinking about thinking about thinking about... oh fark. I divided by zero.


You know what this means? Mississippi will be the first state to use thoughtcrime. 1984, here we come!
 
2011-11-07 10:15:39 PM
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
 
2011-11-07 10:25:10 PM
Y'know how robbers can sue for injury in your home? Now rapists can sue for not getting you pregnant.

/Yes, I know what you are thinking. There is a good deal to the biology of pregnancy. I don't think whoever is behind this law knows that however. Some fun lawsuits can come out of this one.
 
2011-11-07 10:37:58 PM
I have a feeling Mississippi is about to get another lesson in the principles of 'unintended consequences' and 'perverse incentives.'

Oh well. The lawyers will be happy.

/another victory for the champions of small government
 
2011-11-07 10:38:59 PM
Makh: Y'know how robbers can sue for injury in your home?

Are you even trying?
 
2011-11-07 10:47:20 PM
We're going into Republic of Gilead territory now.
 
2011-11-07 10:55:11 PM
That sounds like something that will hold up in courts just swell. Good luck with all that.
 
2011-11-07 11:21:44 PM
The Republican party of today. Complete and utter f*cking morons. I can't believe there was a time when I actually voted for some of these guys (you know, back when they had moderates)
 
2011-11-07 11:49:27 PM
On the bright side, those people are all murderers in the eyes of God, so they're finally going to see justice.
 
2011-11-07 11:59:33 PM
Everybody's always known that Mississippi has been competing with Louisiana for the bottom of the pile anyway. If they vote this into law, this will assure them their rightful place.

/yeah, I know...
 
2011-11-08 12:06:57 AM
Fark Me To Tears: Everybody's always known that Mississippi has been competing with Louisiana for the bottom of the pile anyway. If they vote this into law, this will assure them their rightful place.

/yeah, I know...


Whoa, hold on a sec. I live in Texas and we're hard at work trying to out stupid everyone else. Give us some love, too
 
2011-11-08 12:24:20 AM
Well, I, for one, demand that there be a homicide investigation *every* time people have unprotected sex that doesn't result in pregnancy. Because, if the woman uses a morning after pill, then it's obviously murder. If implantation fails naturally or because for some reason her body rejects it, then it's obviously involuntary manslaughter.

Of course, the sexual partner is an accessory to the crime for putting the zygote in harms way or allowing harm to befall it or even willingly cooperating with the murderer to prevent the zygote from implanting.

In fact, since birth control methods, including condoms, can fail, I can only insist that there be an investigation after EVERY act of heterosexual intercourse.

To be safe, it might be best to lock up every sexually active heterosexual man and woman in the state of Mississippi.

Homosexuals, however, are in the clear, and as the only remaining free individuals in the state, should immediately take over the duties of the state government. On the plus side of that, since they can't get married, we won't have to endure any scandals about politicians not being faithful to their spouses.

;)
 
2011-11-08 12:38:11 AM
EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

It would have been easy to change the legislation to clarify this. They didn't. Do you really need it explained how babby formed?

Feel free to debunk it. I'm waiting.
 
2011-11-08 12:39:06 AM
mamoru

I see you and your devious homosexual ways!! *shakes fist*
 
2011-11-08 01:00:46 AM
coco ebert: mamoru

I see you and your devious homosexual ways!! *shakes fist*


disclaimer: I'm not homosexual. :-/

But, I don't live in Mississippi, or even the United States at all, so I don't have to worry about such a law. ;)

I just find the notion of this law, being taken probably to a ridiculous extreme, creating a situation in Mississippi where homosexuals are the only adults not in jail for homicide, and thus the only people left to run the state. This all coming from a law which is probably backed by the same people who think homosexuality is a grave sin and disgusting and should be illegal and all that.

Obviously, this will not happen, but it's funny to think about. Poetic justice at its finest. ;)
 
2011-11-08 01:02:42 AM
coco ebert: We're going into Republic of Gilead territory now.

One does not simply Mississippi into Gilead.
 
2011-11-08 01:16:48 AM
If you think that going after people who have miscarriages or use birth control is an "unintended" consequence of this law, then you haven't been paying attention to where the radical right has gone in the past 30 years or so. There's nothing "unintended" about any of this.
 
2011-11-08 04:05:30 AM
Conservatives: we'll protect the hell out of zygotes, but once you're born, fark you, you're on your own.
 
2011-11-08 04:24:36 AM
So we're not supposed to eat balut anymore?
 
2011-11-08 05:54:56 AM
EnviroDude: I has a squirrel in my skull

Well, there certainly isn't a brain in there.
 
2011-11-08 06:01:07 AM
EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

How much are you paid to post? I'm very interested because trolling the shiat out of people and getting payed for it seems awesome. Do you get paid in cash or with TF?
 
2011-11-08 06:04:51 AM
What's confusing me is this bit:

Les Riley, the leader of Mississippi's personhood movement, said he is hoping challengers will take this law all the way up to the Supreme Court. The Roe v. Wade decision, he argued, was handed down at a time when scientists were less clear about the moment when life begins, and now it is due for an update.

"We think that God has already told us when life begins, and science has confirmed it, and the court has just not dealt with it," Riley told HuffPost. "We hope the Mississippi voters will force them to take another look at that decision."


So in the 1970s, we didn't know about how eggs were fertilized or how cells started to divide?

Really?

REALLY?

What the fark is this guy on?
 
2011-11-08 06:14:41 AM
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Barack HUSSEIN Obama wants to ABORT your thinking, breathing sperm before you can even plan an afternoon of vigorous masturbation. I say life begins at arousal!
 
2011-11-08 06:15:30 AM
A Terrible Human: EnviroDude: More lies from the radical leftists

How much are you paid to post? I'm very interested because trolling the shiat out of people and getting payed for it seems awesome. Do you get paid in cash or with TF?


Montana Militia scrip.
 
2011-11-08 06:17:00 AM
Hopefully this will mean a high turn-out in voting. To stop this insanity.
 
2011-11-08 06:25:54 AM
It appears right-wingers continue the fight to make their rape victims bear their children.

Well, if that's what you need to do to procreate more right-wingers, then, by god, do it.
 
2011-11-08 06:33:14 AM
dahmers love zombie: Goddammit, when I wrote this thing about five years ago, I considered it an amusing logic exercise. I truly didn't expect that it would be a functional description of what a state was trying to do:

(axioms and conclusions)

Necessary conclusions based on the above:

• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to smoke cigarettes.
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to drink alcohol
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to maintain an unhealthy weight
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to engage in body-contact sports
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to engage in dangerous sports of any kind
• No woman of childbearing age should be allowed, under law, to consume any drug, whether legally prescribed or not, which has been shown to have teratogenic, mutagenic, or fetotoxic effects, even to save her life.
• All women of childbearing age should be forced to take a pregnancy test every month, with results reported to the state, so that early pregnancies may be monitored by agents of the state
• All pregnant women should be forced to follow a medically prudent schedule of prenatal care, and should be forced, under penalty of imprisonment or other punishments, to abide by any rules given to her by her state-licensed obstetrician.


Yeah I was thinking along the same lines yesterday when I read an article about this. I was also thinking that this could play havoc with things like electoral boundaries and application of federal funding formulas if the state or municipalities start adjusting their population numbers upward based on the statistical probability of X% of their existing population (of women of childbearing age) being pregnant at any given time.
 
2011-11-08 06:36:41 AM
Sleeping Monkey: I do not want to go to these people's Heaven for eternity.

Reminds me of a story Stephen Fry told about visiting Utah, he was somewhere with a Mormon tour guide, who was doing a bit of preaching as she lead him around. She finally came to the highlight, saying: "In our faith, when you die, you are reunited with your entire family."

Fry asked in response: "And what if you've been good?"
 
2011-11-08 06:37:36 AM
So does this mean in Mississippi engaging in sex with a pregnant woman, or having sex while pregnant, is having a threesome with a child?
 
2011-11-08 06:39:13 AM
DemonEater: We think that God has already told us when life begins, and science has confirmed it,

No. God said it began 6000 years ago with (in one version) one man, made from dust, and one woman made from his rib. Science says it began four thousand million years ago, and that sperm cells and eggs are alive before they even meet.

Science, biatches. You can't has it.
 
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