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(I Heart Chaos) Interesting Unedited interview with Steve Jobs from 1990: "Computers will only be for education and training. I mean, your phone is not your TV" A phone that's a TV... what kind of crazy idea is that?   (iheartchaos.com) divider line 31
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2011-11-07 11:08:49 AM
B..bu...but I thought he was brilliant visionary! YOU MEAN TO TELL ME THAT HE COULD NOT SEE DECADES INTO THE FUTURE??!?!?! I WAS LIED TO!

DO NOT WANT
 
2011-11-07 11:15:17 AM
 
2011-11-07 11:25:00 AM
He wasn't big on networking with other systems either.
 
2011-11-07 11:31:21 AM
Marcus Aurelius: He wasn't big on networking with other systems either.

He wasn't big on networking at all. The first Mackintosh, which he led the design, didn't have any modem or ethernet port. It was meant to be standalone, period.

In this interview he's championing networking but he was clearly a very recent convert and hadn't seen the benefit before.
 
2011-11-07 11:47:19 AM
Flint Ironstag: Marcus Aurelius: He wasn't big on networking with other systems either.

He wasn't big on networking at all. The first Mackintosh, which he led the design, didn't have any modem or ethernet port. It was meant to be standalone, period.

In this interview he's championing networking but he was clearly a very recent convert and hadn't seen the benefit before.


He did finally give in and allow Appleshare, but you needed third party hardware to link it into your corporate network. I hope to never see another "Gatorbox" in my life.
 
2011-11-07 12:42:53 PM
www.mentalfloss.com


Frink: Well, sure, the Frinkiac-7 looks impressive. Don't touch it! But I predict that within 100 years computers will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings in Europe will own them.

Apu: Could it be used for dating?

Frink: Well, technically, yes, but the computer matches would be so perfect as to eliminate the thrill of romantic conquest. Ha-ho-ha-hey-hoo.
 
2011-11-07 12:44:47 PM
This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.
 
2011-11-07 12:55:25 PM
You mean to say people, when presented with facts and new developments, might change their minds? That's crazy talk!
 
2011-11-07 01:04:03 PM
Ha. Did they even have those cordless phones with LCDs on them yet? Seems inconceivable that at a time, phones were entirely a voice device.
 
2011-11-07 01:09:18 PM
ongbok: This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.

The Kardashian's are a culture, sadly.
 
2011-11-07 01:13:41 PM
Something over there: ongbok: This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.

The Kardashian's are a culture, sadly.


In the same way that mold is a culture, yes.
 
2011-11-07 01:24:49 PM
It's weird because in all of the time since Steve Jobs death I've come to this odd conclusion that he was merely human. Not as intrinsically evil or back hearted as his detractors would point out, and not the engineering genius and visionary as some of his proponents like to holler. When it comes to Jobs I come down on the side of detractor when it's time to take the piss, or troll, but it seems he is just like a lot of people in the world, a human being, no more no less. Lots of good points, some pretty negative points but all in all just a human being as subject to good and bad as any one else in the world.

With that in mind can he just go away as 'news' anymore?
 
2011-11-07 01:25:10 PM
That sneeze part at 32:25 has lots of animated .gif potential.
 
2011-11-07 01:32:50 PM
Rent is too damn high: Ha. Did they even have those cordless phones with LCDs on them yet? Seems inconceivable that at a time, phones were entirely a voice device.

In 1990, my family still had a rotary phone. My parents weren't fond of the idea of replacing functional items that were still working. Today, my parents have fiber optic internet, no land line phone, and my mom uses an EVO.

/The EVO screen is only sightly smaller than the screen on my mom's family's first TV.
 
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2011-11-07 01:37:32 PM
He kinda of has that "But Aliens..." vibe going on the video placeholder image.

/too lazy to post a screenshot
 
2011-11-07 01:45:42 PM
In 1990 I was producing a hippy mag called Encyclopaedia Psychedelica on a home-made 286 and an Amstrad 1640 with Xerox Ventura Publisher, networked together by their serial ports and the '$25 Dollar Network' software, and blasting swirling fractals onto club walls with a scan-line converter to turn the EGA video signal into VHS-PAL. It was also the year I first came across a Mac, and I was not terribly impressed with it, considering what I could do with my own kit
 
2011-11-07 02:23:01 PM
Nobody will need more than 640K, 16 MIDI channels, and a 40 meg hard drive will probably never be filled.
 
2011-11-07 02:26:44 PM
ongbok: This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.

Correct. There are zero educational or smart cultural shows on television. Not a one. You're FORCED to watch shows about the Kardashians.
 
2011-11-07 02:33:15 PM
In 1990 I was writing FORTRAN on a DEC VAX system, poorly.

I also got laid a lot more then. Not because of the FORTRAN but because I was 22 and single.
 
2011-11-07 02:45:49 PM
Flint Ironstag: He wasn't big on networking at all. The first Mackintosh, which he led the design, didn't have any modem or ethernet port. It was meant to be standalone, period.

You act like other home computers in 1984 came with ethernet and modems; by and large they didn't. Those were addons, and they did exist for the Macintosh. A modem specifically would have connected to the serial port labeled 'Modem'. AppleTalk itself was introduced in 1984 as well.
 
2011-11-07 02:49:42 PM
H31N0US: In 1990 I was writing FORTRAN on a DEC VAX system, poorly.

I also got laid a lot more then. Not because of the FORTRAN but because I was 22 and single.


Ah, 22. That was a damn good year for me too.
 
2011-11-07 03:40:05 PM
Ghastly: Nobody will need more than 640K, 16 MIDI channels, and a 40 meg hard drive will probably never be filled.

If you gave me a 40MB drive today, I probably couldn't fill it. (Probably because I couldn't find enough files smaller than 40MB to put on it.)
 
2011-11-07 03:56:09 PM
Plus, none of this takes us any closer to the more important question of whether or not Steve Jobs liked Rush.
 
2011-11-07 04:06:58 PM
ongbok: This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.

The majority of television is crap, sure. The majority of the Internet is crap. The majority of published books are crap, too. It's kinda like saying Gutenburg invented the printing press to spread education and culture through literacy, but instead we have books with Fabio on the cover.

The majority of everything is crap. That's how we know it's crap.
 
2011-11-07 05:32:06 PM
marcpen: In 1990 I was producing a hippy mag called Encyclopaedia Psychedelica on a home-made 286 and an Amstrad 1640 with Xerox Ventura Publisher, networked together by their serial ports and the '$25 Dollar Network' software, and blasting swirling fractals onto club walls with a scan-line converter to turn the EGA video signal into VHS-PAL. It was also the year I first came across a Mac, and I was not terribly impressed with it, considering what I could do with my own kit

I 1990, I was in the Navy and we were running XENIX on IBM XT machines with dual floppies and dual 10mb hard drives. I think we had a couple of DOS machines as well that booted off floppies and we used for word processing.

Good times.
 
2011-11-07 05:33:48 PM
I Like Bread: Ghastly: Nobody will need more than 640K, 16 MIDI channels, and a 40 meg hard drive will probably never be filled.

If you gave me a 40MB drive today, I probably couldn't fill it. (Probably because I couldn't find enough files smaller than 40MB to put on it.)


Hey! Hey! 16K! What would that get you today? You need more than that for a letter. Old school ram packs were much better.
 
2011-11-07 07:02:46 PM
jonny_q: ongbok: This reminds me of the guy who invented the TV. From what I have been told his vision of the TV was to bring education and culture into peoples homes. Instead we have the Kardashians.

The majority of television is crap, sure. The majority of the Internet is crap. The majority of published books are crap, too. It's kinda like saying Gutenburg invented the printing press to spread education and culture through literacy, but instead we have books with Fabio on the cover.

The majority of everything is crap. That's how we know it's crap.


I like this. I'm going to quote it on facebook.
 
2011-11-07 07:23:53 PM
Hey! Hey! 16K! What would that get you today? You need more than that for a letter. Old school ram packs were much better.

Hey! My Atari 400 came with 16K stock...and then I added the 48K upgrade card..soldering wires... ahh the good old days...
 
2011-11-07 09:29:06 PM
Ahh yes, Jobs, the amazing, forward-thinking visionary.
 
2011-11-07 09:39:28 PM
Ahh yes, Jobs, the amazing, forward-thinking visionary.

Unlike the great Steve Ballmer, who said the following in 2007:

"There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item. They may make a lot of money. But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold, I'd prefer to have our software in 60% or 70% or 80% of them, than I would to have 2% or 3%, which is what Apple might get."
 
2011-11-08 12:57:06 AM
SMB2811: Flint Ironstag: He wasn't big on networking at all. The first Mackintosh, which he led the design, didn't have any modem or ethernet port. It was meant to be standalone, period.

You act like other home computers in 1984 came with ethernet and modems; by and large they didn't. Those were addons, and they did exist for the Macintosh. A modem specifically would have connected to the serial port labeled 'Modem'. AppleTalk itself was introduced in 1984 as well.


AppleTalk was originally, and solely, for printer sharing. Its file transfer capabilities
were added later, and over Mr. Jobs objections.

All of the PC pioneers had a huge blind spot where networking and the internet are
concerned. The first edition of THE ROAD AHEAD by Bill Gates was quite dismissive
of it, and he had to put out a 2nd edition within a year that revised his opinions.
 
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