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If(iserror(not(daylightsavingstime)),"you're a retard; this can't possibly be AAPL's fault","Buy more of our cult of personality")

I hate apple as much as the next irrational apple hater, but seriously? Is this what we're going to latch on to to knock apple down a peg?

Rebooted my 4s yesterday morning and the clock changed to the correct time. Battery also seems fine.

/hard, anecdotal evidence!

Never have had an issue with this, any of the times it's been reported.

DeathByGeekSquad: Never have had an issue with this, any of the times it's been reported.

Likewise... I'm kinda curious as to what people with the problem are doing. Maybe they disabled automatic time updates, or have no network connections at the time? I could see an iPhone in airplane mode, say, not updating its clock properly.

Mind you, the time zone change should be coded and not rely on network time servers, but the same flaw exists in Windows, as well as many other systems.

Confused why Apple would decide not to show local network time. Every damn phone I have ever owned - smart or feature - has neatly snapped backward/forward at 2am without a glitch or prompt.

Not an apple fan by any means, but I had a Blackberry for several years that had similar issues. DST seems to be more of a problem than one would expect. That and the fact that it apparently works on some an not on others is indicative of conflicts rather than specifically a core bug. It will obviously be patched/fixed in core, but what's probably happening is that there is third-party software that interacts with the clock in some way that causes it to miss the update.

/proud Samsung GS owner.

kasmel: It will obviously be patched/fixed in core, but what's probably happening is that there is third-party software that interacts with the clock in some way that causes it to miss the update.

According to some of the complaints, the time (controlled by the OS) updates, but some alarms (which may be third party apps) don't. That suggests that the apps are doing something stupid, like calculating the number of seconds from when you turn on the alarm to when it should go off and then utilizing a simple countdown, never verified against the actual time.

2 iPhone 4S with the issue. Reboot and all fine.
iPad2 doesn't have it.

All running IOS5.

Weird.

Was there a glitch? My iPhone 3G switched over just fine.

No issue with te iPad 2 ok iOS 5 either.

Perhaps they're holding their phones wrong.

You're holding it wrong, dumbasses. Go hold it in another time zone.

Kar98: No issue with te iPad 2 ok iOS 5 either.

Sigh. Posted from iPhone :/

I didn't have any DST problems with my phone and wouldn't have cared anyway. DST is much less important to me than having the awesome Apps I love to use. There's Spot-Locator which helps me find handicapped spots to park in. I love Progeny Protector which helps me fight the claims of my children that they are my children. I've been digging Friend Fark lately too. A great App which allows you to network labor to your friends, then stiff them on paying. DST is the least of my problems when I've got these types of Apps. Gotta go, just got a great hit on my App, Zensabilities, which allows me to use the idea's of Buddha to focus my business acumen on profits at the expense of everything else.

animal900: Rebooted my 4s yesterday morning and the clock changed to the correct time. Battery also seems fine.

/hard, anecdotal evidence!

Was it sweaty though?

Not trolling, honest question. hasn't this been an issue (for some) on the last 2-3 versions of iOS?

How the heck can Siri be able to keep up with which state/country uses/ignores DST when we humans can't get it straight.

/votes for Zulu time
//or Double Dog DST

My 3GS had an odd problem with the alarm when we changed from BST to GMT. The clock changed correctly but since them my alarm started going off an hour later than it should be, the app (Apple's own) says it's set for 6am but it doesn't go off until 7. Created a new alarm instance which works fine.

rudemix: I didn't have any DST problems with my phone and wouldn't have cared anyway. DST is much less important to me than having the awesome Apps I love to use. There's Spot-Locator which helps me find handicapped spots to park in. I love Progeny Protector which helps me fight the claims of my children that they are my children. I've been digging Friend Fark lately too. A great App which allows you to network labor to your friends, then stiff them on paying. DST is the least of my problems when I've got these types of Apps. Gotta go, just got a great hit on my App, Zensabilities, which allows me to use the idea's of Buddha to focus my business acumen on profits at the expense of everything else.




Ahhhh, it's funny because Steve Jobs did all those things, and more!

jpmattos: Not trolling, honest question. hasn't this been an issue (for some) on the last 2-3 versions of iOS?

Maybe a regional issue? Never had the issue on my IOS devices (over the years). Honestly don't know

We have 4 iOS devices at home. 3 worked fine, my new iPhone 4S switched but changed its time zone back to Pacific Time from Alaska. Dumbest thing ever

I have had to deal with DST in software that I have written. It is a complete PITA! It is not such a problem with displaying the current time, but it is really a pain when dealing with scheduled events. You also get the fun of dealing with the areas that don't honor DST.

Adman1138: My 3GS had an odd problem with the alarm when we changed from BST to GMT. The clock changed correctly but since them my alarm started going off an hour later than it should be, the app (Apple's own) says it's set for 6am but it doesn't go off until 7. Created a new alarm instance which works fine.

Could be that Apple's alarm app is doing the stupid behavior I suggested above.

Theaetetus: DeathByGeekSquad: Never have had an issue with this, any of the times it's been reported.

Likewise... I'm kinda curious as to what people with the problem are doing. Maybe they disabled automatic time updates, or have no network connections at the time? I could see an iPhone in airplane mode, say, not updating its clock properly.

Mind you, the time zone change should be coded and not rely on network time servers, but the same flaw exists in Windows, as well as many other systems.

For mine, was on wifi and cell service and set time automatically. And so logically it changed my timezone at 2am on Sunday

yknow, error or no error...if you can't be bothered to change your clock in the time it takes you to get angry about a glitch that doesn't do it for you, go back to a rotary phone. it's probably easier.

The interesting thing about those "iPhones with DST problems" is that they have very specific failure modes. For example, they're mostly either college students who are late to class after the weekend where they stayed up an extra hour drinking on Saturday night, or young college grads who are late to work after the weekend where they stayed up an extra hour drinking on Saturday night.

Odd. It's almost like a bunch of folks are trying to blame their lateness to work or to class on a device that didn't actually have a problem.

Theaetetus: Mind you, the time zone change should be coded and not rely on network time servers, but the same flaw exists in Windows, as well as many other systems.

Windows will change DST automatically without being on a network or checking a network time server. So I don't know what you're talking about there.

Also, as a software developer I disagree with the notion of hard coding anything like that. It's a stupid thing to do, and most novice programmers fall into that trap at one point or another. The only way to change it at that point is to edit your source and recompile it, then send the updated executables out to everyone, which when talking about phones or embedded devices is not fun or reliable.
Using the servers is actually a better way to handle this, however the program should also keep a local copy of major events (like DST time changes) in the event that it's off the network at certain times. It sounds like Apple's fault here is neither of those things however.

meatofmystery: yknow, error or no error...if you can't be bothered to change your clock in the time it takes you to get angry about a glitch that doesn't do it for you, go back to a rotary phone. it's probably easier.

Exactly, some people have a lot of nerve expecting their $600 phone to be able to keep track of the current time.

NutznGum: meatofmystery: yknow, error or no error...if you can't be bothered to change your clock in the time it takes you to get angry about a glitch that doesn't do it for you, go back to a rotary phone. it's probably easier.

Exactly, some people have a lot of nerve expecting their $600 phone to be able to keep track of the current time.

if that's your only problem, i'd say your investment is sound :p

How many people having issues turn off the time zone setting?

cirby: The interesting thing about those "iPhones with DST problems" is that they have very specific failure modes. For example, they're mostly either college students who are late to class after the weekend where they stayed up an extra hour drinking on Saturday night, or young college grads who are late to work after the weekend where they stayed up an extra hour drinking on Saturday night.

Odd. It's almost like a bunch of folks are trying to blame their lateness to work or to class on a device that didn't actually have a problem.

I haven't really followed anything about this, but isn't Apple pretty reluctant to even acknowledge things like this without a lot of user evidence? Not just people saying waaaah I was late for class. Also, wouldn't this have occurred on Sunday when they wouldn't have classes to miss?

I'm guessing your post was mostly joking anyway.

Theaetetus: DeathByGeekSquad: Never have had an issue with this, any of the times it's been reported.

Likewise... I'm kinda curious as to what people with the problem are doing. Maybe they disabled automatic time updates, or have no network connections at the time? I could see an iPhone in airplane mode, say, not updating its clock properly.

Mind you, the time zone change should be coded and not rely on network time servers, but the same flaw exists in Windows, as well as many other systems.

Windows doesn't bother (and insists on setting the hardware clock to local time, argh!) but Linux does.

And it's a real pain in the ass to maintain. When any municipality anywhere in the world makes an adjustment you need to update and push a new tzdata file.

What I want to know is why "standard" time lasts for 1/3rd of the year in America. Some freaking standard.

Daylight Saving Time. Not Daylight Savings Time.

Didn't notice a problem with it this time (iPhone 4 on iOS5). All my digital devices updated. I've had some of the time-related issues before, though.

I think DST is stupid, but it really blows my mind that any computing device in the 21st century has a problem with concepts like "what time is it?" and "is this the time the alarm is supposed to go off?" I'm not much of a programmer, but that seems like a pretty simple one. Certainly easier than creating a voice-activated AI.

LindLTaylor: Daylight Saving Time. Not Daylight Savings Time.

And here at the Corporate Institutional Bank of Time, we found ourselves reflecting. Finding out that we came back. We were always coming back

whenIsayGO: Didn't notice a problem with it this time (iPhone 4 on iOS5). All my digital devices updated. I've had some of the time-related issues before, though.

I think DST is stupid, but it really blows my mind that any computing device in the 21st century has a problem with concepts like "what time is it?" and "is this the time the alarm is supposed to go off?" I'm not much of a programmer, but that seems like a pretty simple one. Certainly easier than creating a voice-activated AI.

You got it backwards. Creating a voice activated AI is easy (Siri is far from the first to do it). The hardest part there is translating phonic data to something text-like, accounting for accents and speech impediments.

The only thing that makes Siri unique is how it's designed to switch between a literal command versus search engine input.

That and the utility of the thing. Previous attempts at voice activated AIs petered out once the novelty wore off. Announcing your personal business for the world to hear gets annoying for all involved, plus you run into noise issues. Still, Apple also made the touch screen cool again, so this is apparently the second coming of the 1980s.

Anyway, telling the time is somewhat harder. How do you do that? Do you go by processor speed? What about on a device with a different speed of processor? How do you know what the rules are regarding time zones?

How do you display the time? How do you correct for error if your GPU hangs processing something else?

If you have an alarm feature, do you check if the alarm is up every processor cycle? That uses a lot of power. Every x cycles? What if the user's changed it since then?

Not as straightforward as you seem to think.

I don't know anyone who had this problem. I wonder if this was restricted to older handsets...

tricycleracer: TOYMAKER FOR THE WELL HEELED Apple

Okay, that was good.

It's "fruit themed gadget flogger" in other articles there.

My Android phone clicked over to 1:00 right after 1:59; no issues with calendar events or alarms.

kingoomieiii: This reminds me of the time my Zune straight-up turned off for 24 hours on 2008's leap-day.

WHY ARE DATES AND TIMES HARD, PROGRAMMERS?!

Y2K? Yeah, definitely Y2K. Or mooslums. One of the two.

I have a 3Gs wit iOS5 and my phone clicked over fine, from what I can tell.

DRTFA, what is the issue, exactly?

kingoomieiii: WHY ARE DATES AND TIMES HARD, PROGRAMMERS?!

Not a programmer really, but honestly? It's because they make no damn sense.

There are 12 months in a year, some have 30 days, some 31, one 28 for some reason (and sometimes that's 29 but only every 4 years). There are 60 seconds in a mintue, and 60 minutes in an hour, and 24 hours in a day. Why? Because go fark yourself, that's why.

There's no rhyme, reason, or mathematical basis for any of it. It all practically has to be hard coded somewhere because it's almost impossible to just "figure out" using math like most other things programming related.

The DST is hard kids are right. Why are timezones off by 30 minutes in some places? Why did congress have to fark up times synced with Europe? I've written more code then I should on this. DST and timezones in general are a big pile of steaming human poo. there I said it.