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(HotHardware) Spiffy Commodore 64 released just in time for Christmas. This is not a repeat of 1982   (hothardware.com) divider line 36
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2011-11-07 10:09:42 AM
Ugh.

That tilted KB just screams carpal-tunnel.

/my Trash-80 Mod I is still in the garage
 
2011-11-07 10:20:13 AM
$1499? For a medium-spec'd Sandy Bridge i7 laptop crammed into a replica of a C64 case?

Even Apple fans are like "fark, that's overpriced."
 
2011-11-07 10:43:06 AM
LOAD"LEAVEMYCHILDHOODALONE.PRG", 8, 1:

RUN
 
2011-11-07 10:48:19 AM
MaoTenDoo: LOAD"LEAVEMYCHILDHOODALONE.PRG", 8, 1:

RUN


You said run twice.
 
2011-11-07 10:49:47 AM
MaoTenDoo: LOAD"LEAVEMYCHILDHOODALONE.PRG", 8, 1:

RUN


I know that and I agree, but I still really want one. Damn you nostalgia!
 
2011-11-07 10:51:12 AM
The new C-64 model gets all the press but the VIC version looks very nice for an all-in-one

macgateway.com
 
2011-11-07 10:57:22 AM
keys don't have all the special characters printed on them :o/
 
2011-11-07 11:07:03 AM
I still got my Vic-20 from 1980.
 
2011-11-07 11:18:33 AM
Jeebus... why didn't they release an Aspire Revo- or Eee Box-spec version for $750? Those would have been nifty living room PCs for nostalgic families.

Another one of those design/marketing decisions that makes me think a company wants to make money - but only a little.
 
2011-11-07 11:37:57 AM
Yawn. Call me when they reissue the Amiga.
 
2011-11-07 11:39:35 AM
Call me when they buy up Amiga and make machines with OS4 installed.
 
2011-11-07 11:51:17 AM
I'll just leave this here:

farm5.static.flickr.com

/relevant to thread
//hot
 
2011-11-07 12:04:04 PM
I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible
 
2011-11-07 12:21:24 PM
LagerVsAle: I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible


...The company is Commodore. How is that vaporware?

/Overpriced, but I still want one
//Noticed no mention of its graphics capabilities. Hmm.
 
2011-11-07 12:27:57 PM
OnlyM3: keys don't have all the special characters printed on them :o/

It doesn't have the C64 key layout either. Or any compatibility with software for the original machine out of the box. Not even an actual SID chip for authentic sound with an emulator.

So you can forget about these.

www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
www.gb64.com
http://www.gb64.com/Screenshots/E/Elite.png

and I could go on all day with those sweet, sweet memories of the greatest gaming machine ever made..
 
2011-11-07 12:33:36 PM
Wake me when they reissue the Commodore PET. The one with the tiny keyboard, that is.
 
2011-11-07 01:01:10 PM
teflon: Yawn. Call me when they reissue the Amiga.

Wake up call...

Link (new window)

I loved my Amiga and my C64. I'm glad to see all the old properties are back together under Commodore USA.
 
2011-11-07 01:09:40 PM
blahpers: LagerVsAle: I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible

...The company is Commodore. How is that vaporware?

/Overpriced, but I still want one
//Noticed no mention of its graphics capabilities. Hmm.


See Link (new window) Only founded last year.
 
2011-11-07 01:11:12 PM
mrshowrules: I still got my Vic-20 from 1980.

There was a time in the late 1980s when you could pick up a used-but-functional Vic-20 or Commodore 64 at the Goodwill or Salvation Army store for a couple of bucks. I know, 'cause that's what I did.
 
2011-11-07 01:17:42 PM
Wrote more than a few articles for publication in 1987 on one of those. Transmitted it to the office mainframe via telephone line.
An easy 10-step process, as I recall ...
 
2011-11-07 01:24:30 PM
LagerVsAle:
Load *.*,8,1

/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible



Parity bit



/I think
 
2011-11-07 01:27:25 PM
$1,499 for that? Holy crap. I just built a compy with similar specs for $500.
 
2011-11-07 01:29:22 PM
I'm convinced there's an alternate Earth where the Amiga became the dominant computer and operating system, Apple never happened, and Windows is the plucky underdog.
 
2011-11-07 02:14:17 PM
LagerVsAle: I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible


,1 meant "load this at the memory location that the file specifies". Just ,8 always loaded the program to the default BASICriffic memory block.
 
2011-11-07 02:50:04 PM
Lefty, Lefty
 
2011-11-07 03:21:12 PM
As one of the sales guys who unloaded a truck of too few, already paid for-at $700 a pop- Commodore 64's while angry customers stood glaring at me, on Christmas Eve 1982, I'm not really getting a kick..... (still have mine!)
 
2011-11-07 03:25:28 PM
frak21: LagerVsAle:
Load *.*,8,1

/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
Parity bit

/I think


Correct.
 
2011-11-07 04:07:20 PM
LagerVsAle: blahpers: LagerVsAle: I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible

...The company is Commodore. How is that vaporware?

/Overpriced, but I still want one
//Noticed no mention of its graphics capabilities. Hmm.

See Link (new window) Only founded last year.


Ah, thanks. See, this is what happens when you don't do the research!
 
2011-11-07 05:19:01 PM
unyon: frak21: LagerVsAle:
Load *.*,8,1

/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
Parity bit

/I think

Correct.


??

My C128 had two floppy drives and two input ports. the "8" was for the drive. If I wanted to load something from the other drive I typed "LOAD *.*,9,1"
If my memory serves me correctly, if I wanted to use a joystick plugged into port 2 I had to use "LOAD *.*,8,2" I may be wrong about that, but I do remember typing ",8,2" quite often

The "*.*" would load the first executable file on the drive. I remember my dad bringing home floppies from work, and I would dig around on them. The label might be one thing that loaded with "*.*", but if I dug around on there, I'd find another executable. I remember one that was the strangest Pac-Man ripoff I've ever seen that I found as "somethingweird.prg"

Vague memories
 
2011-11-07 06:07:08 PM
I believe the "8,1" was
- 8 being the device number (cassette was 1)
- the 1 a flag to say "load directly into the memory locations specified, do not start at beginning of BASIC memory." This would allow machine-language code to autostart the program without typing RUN by loading into a location that was automatically run. (You rarely actually typed LOAD"*",8,1 and the RUN). Alternatively the machine language program might be in a higher memory location (often 49152) that might have to be called by a system call like SYS 49152,.

Contrary to what you might think based on this post, I have actually had sex.
 
2011-11-07 07:33:09 PM
Atari's were better.


/Let the flames begin!!!! LOL
 
2011-11-07 10:57:03 PM
lake_huron: I believe the "8,1" was
- 8 being the device number (cassette was 1)
- the 1 a flag to say "load directly into the memory locations specified, do not start at beginning of BASIC memory." This would allow machine-language code to autostart the program without typing RUN by loading into a location that was automatically run. (You rarely actually typed LOAD"*",8,1 and the RUN). Alternatively the machine language program might be in a higher memory location (often 49152) that might have to be called by a system call like SYS 49152,.

Contrary to what you might think based on this post, I have actually had sex.


Be that as it may, you are entirely correct with regard to the C=64's LOAD command. As noted in the "C64 User's Guide, 2nd Edition" :

LOAD

TYPE: Command
FORMAT: LOAD "",[,]

Action: The LOAD statement reads the contents of a program file from
disk into memory. That way you can use the information LOADed or change
the information in some way. The disk unit is normally device number 8.
The LOAD closes all open files and, if it is used in direct mode, it
performs a CLR (clear) before reading the program. If LOAD is executed
from within a program, the program is RUN. This means that you can use
LOAD to "chain" several programs together. None of the variables are
cleared during a chain operation.
If you are using file-name pattern matching, the first file which
matches the pattern is loaded. The asterisk in quotes by itself ("*")
causes the first file-name in the disk directory to be loaded. If the
file-name used does not exist or if it is not a program file, the BASIC
error message ?FILE NOT FOUND occurs.
If you use the secondary address of 1 this will cause the program to
LOAD to the memory location from which it was saved.

EXAMPLES of LOAD Command:

LOAD A$,8 (Uses the name in A$ to search)

LOAD "*",8 (LOADs first program from disk)

LOAD "$",8 (LOADs disk directory)

LOAD "FUN",8 (LOAD a file from disk)
SEARCHING FOR FUN
LOADING
READY.

LOAD "GAME ONE",8,1 (LOAD a file to the specific memory
SEARCHING FOR GAME ONE location from which the program was
LOADING saved on the disk)
READY.


Y'know, given the amount of detailed, deep and extensive information about the Commodore 64 that's out there, let alone the emulators and program libraries, I'm surprised there wasn't an effort to make a full-compatibility mode for the new ones. I'd love to see that, where you could hit the C=, Shift and F1 keys on the new one and have it go all old school. Also I'd love it if there was a new 1541 and/or 1571 where it was a smart USB multi-drive with card readers and all. Ooo, and a pre-programmed USB thumb drive containing all the software that's out there for the old 64's, shaped like a tiny 1541 drive.

Not that I'll ever be buying a New 64 if they don't make a radical change to their pricing.
 
2011-11-07 10:57:24 PM
Meh. Talk to me when they pimp out a TRS-80 MC-10.
 
2011-11-07 11:59:45 PM
I loved C64 games, but I had the Commodore 128, so I am not nostalgic for that case.
 
2011-11-08 10:36:37 AM
blahpers: LagerVsAle: I swear these articles come out every three months. A vaporware company selling an underspec'd computer jammed into some surplus C-64 cases.
I miss my old C-64.
Load *.*,8,1
/Still don't know what the,1 was for.
//Wish Wiiware had Mission Impossible

...The company is Commodore. How is that vaporware?

/Overpriced, but I still want one
//Noticed no mention of its graphics capabilities. Hmm.


The company is not Commodore, they just bought the name. He's right too, this story has been coming out every few months for at least the last five years.

Also this computer is made by some Chinese company and they are just rebadging it. It is no more a Commodore 64 than the iPad is.
 
2011-11-10 06:53:50 PM
Grotesk: Y'know, given the amount of detailed, deep and extensive information about the Commodore 64 that's out there, let alone the emulators and program libraries, I'm surprised there wasn't an effort to make a full-compatibility mode for the new ones. I'd love to see that, where you could hit the C=, Shift and F1 keys on the new one and have it go all old school. Also I'd love it if there was a new 1541 and/or 1571 where it was a smart USB multi-drive with card readers and all. Ooo, and a pre-programmed USB thumb drive containing all the software that's out there for the old 64's, shaped like a tiny 1541 drive.

Not that I'll ever be buying a New 64 if they don't make a radical change to their pricing.


Well, they have ported Unix to the C-64 -- LUnix (new window) That's as modernized as we'll get, I think.
 
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