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2011-11-07 09:29:55 AM
DPS tried to pull that shiat in Austin a few years back they got caught watching dvds on the job.
 
2011-11-07 09:33:46 AM
It's an interesting mindset that causes people to arbitrarily make up stuff when they are in trouble.
 
2011-11-07 09:38:59 AM
Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.
 
2011-11-07 09:42:05 AM

Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.


Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.
 
2011-11-07 09:42:45 AM
There's a lot of pressure on our bus drivers.

Perhaps more fiber in their diet could help. At least this one driver.
 
2011-11-07 09:43:10 AM
Criminal Code of Canada, Section 183: One party consent recording vs. Union Windbag's statement... hmmmm.
 
2011-11-07 09:46:11 AM
Cause we know private sector employees never do anything stupid.

Enron, BP , Arthur Anderson, WorldCom, Health South, Goldman Sachs, Citi Bank, Exxon, Bank of America, Tyco, AIG, and on and on ...
 
2011-11-07 09:47:16 AM
I love asshat bus drivers. I have no problem at all being asshats right back to them. I will stand on the bus.. One foot on bus, one foot off and talk to them and tell them how big of assholes they are in front of all the other riders.

Sure.. they could close the door... or attempt to drive.... they could also be charged with assault.

/big guy, not easily intimidated, long scragly beard that makes me look crazier then most and very familiar with the law.
 
2011-11-07 09:47:19 AM
What a hoser.
 
2011-11-07 09:47:27 AM

Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.

Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.


It's not the passenger's responsibility to remain professional, but it is the driver's.
 
2011-11-07 09:49:51 AM
Really the excused to the bus drivers behavior are:
A) They are not suppose to be recording him
B) We don't know if the guy being attacked is really mentally ill
C) Bus drivers get attacked and no one ever records that happening

None of these changes that the bus drivers stopped the bus, got up, walked into the back, and verbally attacked a passenger. This union rep sounds like a 3 year old trying to get out of trouble.
 
2011-11-07 09:49:54 AM
definitely, d-d-definitely not a nice transit person, not like here in Denver, anyway. I know of one guy out of the hundreds of drivers who is a dick about his job. He gets put on LOA all the time for preaching to passengers.

/he's a salvationist
 
2011-11-07 09:50:09 AM
Queale, who represents OC Transpo's 1,600 bus drivers, said the union will be involved in the ongoing investigation.

I, for one, have full faith in the objectivity of the Union. If the union member bus driver is truly in the wrong, I am sure the welfare of the public will be the top priority of the union investigation.
 
2011-11-07 09:51:06 AM

Bob16: Cause we know private sector employees never do anything stupid.

Enron, BP , Arthur Anderson, WorldCom, Health South, Goldman Sachs, Citi Bank, Exxon, Bank of America, Tyco, AIG, and on and on ...


Which has what to do with anything?
 
2011-11-07 09:53:35 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.

Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.

It's not the passenger's responsibility to remain professional, but it is the driver's.


He drives a bus. That's not a professional position.

I'm not excusing this guy's actions, but seriously. He's a bus driver. This is not a highly-skilled or -trained position. It's like being aghast that the guy who's mowing the park grass yells at you to "get the fark out of the way".

Should he have done that? Probably not. Is it newsworthy? fark no.
 
2011-11-07 09:55:18 AM
Plenty of other sources have an actual link to the video, but since this one doesn't...


Here it is. (new window)
 
2011-11-07 09:57:49 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.

Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.

It's not the passenger's responsibility to remain professional, but it is the driver's.


Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!!!
 
2011-11-07 09:59:45 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.

Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.

It's not the passenger's responsibility to remain professional, but it is the driver's.


My comment was funnier.....so there!
 
2011-11-07 09:59:47 AM

Eskurido: Plenty of other sources have an actual link to the video, but since this one doesn't...


Here it is. (new window)


Watch it again and imagine it with Samuel L Jackson's voice. You will think it is awesome.

Lesson here is when somebody tells you to stop bothering them, stop. Otherwise you will get your feelings hurt like this guy did.
 
2011-11-07 10:01:13 AM

WayToBlue: Bob16: Cause we know private sector employees never do anything stupid.

Enron, BP , Arthur Anderson, WorldCom, Health South, Goldman Sachs, Citi Bank, Exxon, Bank of America, Tyco, AIG, and on and on ...

Which has what to do with anything?


Frustrated OWS douche, probably. Nobody is listening to them anymore so they get antsy.
 
2011-11-07 10:03:14 AM
Queale said it is not uncommon for passengers to berate or assault drivers and "we never see videos of people doing that back in our favour."

Gosh, if only the bus company who owns the buses could place cameras that they own on the buses that they own to record such videos which they would then own and could post. But no, citizen journalism is their only recourse.
 
2011-11-07 10:03:58 AM
"To the moon, Alice!"
 
2011-11-07 10:04:12 AM
funny... I wonder if it's the same driver that many many (I mean decades ago) years ago physically forced me out of the bus because I was asking him directions to where I needed to go.

I was quite calm and speaking in a proper manner, asked questions because it was part of the city I didn't know, proper language, just sitting in the front as I didn't want to miss my stop and was asking him to please indicate where I should be getting off.. overall I was pretty much quiet most of the ride.

Then out of the blue, he starts yelling at me that he's no driving service and that it's my freaking problem to know where to get off, etc.

When I tried to talk to calm him down, all good, he stopped the bus and grabs me in a headlock and forces me out. I didn't resist as I had no clue at all what the hell was going on, nor was looking for trouble in any way.

I called and reported him, and when they called back, they informed me that he had been taken off the bus routes, and that I wasn't the only one that called about him doing something like this.

I used to know someone that worked there (OC) and they were telling me that breakdowns were very common. The rotation of employees was actually much higher than you'd believe, and many would end up being recommended going to shrinks.... about 20-some years, same place (OC).. mechanic snapped and started shooting people. So it's not just the drivers.

It's a question that there's three general types of drivers...either you start young and burn out fairly fast, either you see it as a job, learn to deal with the good and bad passengers, or you do your job day after day until you eventually snap.
 
2011-11-07 10:05:02 AM

Thorak: He drives a bus. That's not a professional position.


That damn well IS a professional position. Need a CDL for it.

It also pays rather good for not needing a college education.
 
2011-11-07 10:06:15 AM

Thorak: He drives a bus. That's not a professional position.

I'm not excusing this guy's actions, but seriously. He's a bus driver. This is not a highly-skilled or -trained position. It's like being aghast that the guy who's mowing the park grass yells at you to "get the fark out of the way".

Should he have done that? Probably not. Is it newsworthy? fark no.


It's not a professional position, but we still require our bus drivers, DMV counter workers, and other state employees to remain civil to citizens while on the job. That, and I don't know why you're defending the driver. Welcome to the world of camera phones.

Also, the union of representative is wrong: people attacking the drivers is caught by camera phones as well. But the bus drivers are much more likely to have the opportunity of pressing charges.
 
2011-11-07 10:07:04 AM

Bob16: Cause we know private sector employees never do anything stupid.

Enron, BP , Arthur Anderson, WorldCom, Health South, Goldman Sachs, Citi Bank, Exxon, Bank of America, Tyco, AIG, and on and on ...


The difference is that when they do stupid shiat, they go to jail. When public sector employees do, nothing happens.
 
2011-11-07 10:12:47 AM
I still haven't forgiven these farkers for leaving me stranded in the snow three years ago, so my sympathy lies with the passenger.

Anyone else noticed that they seemed to have started decelerating when they're almost past the stop now? They also seem to be speeding a lot more than they used to, which means I have to brace myself if I don't want to get thrown off my feet.
 
2011-11-07 10:14:41 AM

raggtopp: That damn well IS a professional position. Need a CDL for it.

It also pays rather good for not needing a college education.



No, a professional position is one that requires extensive specialized training and has things like a professional code of ethics and, usually, a board that certifies and enforces that ethical code.

Things like doctors, lawyers, teachers, architects, etc. Those are professionals. A guy with a commercial driver's license isn't anywhere close to that level of qualification. I'm not attacking the bus driver for being a "lowly bus driver" or something, here, I'm just taking issue with labelling everyone in every job a "professional". They're not.

A bus driver is no more a "professional" than a bartender, or a pizza delivery guy, or a private eye. They all have licensing required for their jobs, too. That doesn't make them "professionals". It means they're employed. Not the same thing.

SphericalTime: It's not a professional position, but we still require our bus drivers, DMV counter workers, and other state employees to remain civil to citizens while on the job. That, and I don't know why you're defending the driver. Welcome to the world of camera phones.


I'm not defending the driver. I in fact specifically said I wasn't trying to excuse his actions. I'm saying it's not a professional position, so he doesn't have a professional code of ethics to abide by, and I'm saying this isn't newsworthy.

I agree the driver's an asshat and taking footage of it is fine, and I wouldn't have complained if it popped up on Youtube, I just think reporters have better things to spend time on than this kind of stupid bullshiat.
 
2011-11-07 10:16:38 AM
Nice to know he's an Arnie movie fan.
 
2011-11-07 10:16:56 AM
The video ends with the driver yelling, "Shut up! Not a f------word, not a sound. When I open that f------door, you get out and you don't say a f------word or I'm gonna f------ kick your f------ass."

This video is from Canada? Now I know it's a fake!
 
2011-11-07 10:24:25 AM
They have unions in Canadia too?

F**K Unions. DIAF Mr "the driver might have been stressed out at the time" union boss scumbag.

Unions==Scumbags==Lazy_People==Worthless_People

Ban unions and society as a whole will become a better place.
 
2011-11-07 10:30:58 AM

Theaetetus: Queale said it is not uncommon for passengers to berate or assault drivers and "we never see videos of people doing that back in our favour."

Gosh, if only the bus company who owns the buses could place cameras that they own on the buses that they own to record such videos which they would then own and could post. But no, citizen journalism is their only recourse.


THIS....

I believe that in this day and age, the technology is more than cheap enough to have a "black box" which would have a video recording 24/7 on every bus. With something like a 1TB or 2TB drive, at a decent quality, they'd be able to record in at least a week's worth with a multiple angle video (front and back cameras/ split screen). If anything is going on, it would be easy to review the situation.

And it would work for both sides... both for the passengers and the drivers... any problem/complaints could easily be checked into.

It would have people behaving much better, knowing that they are being recorded.
 
2011-11-07 10:32:58 AM
I guess we now know where the police unions learned it.
 
2011-11-07 10:33:13 AM

LoneWolf343: It's an interesting mindset that causes people to arbitrarily make up stuff when they are in trouble.


It's also one we develop by our 1st birthday. Toddlers both know when and how to lie.
 
2011-11-07 10:45:47 AM
We need a better verb for "video recording with a cel phone." Because it sure ain't videotaping.
 
2011-11-07 10:49:50 AM

imfallen_angel: Theaetetus: Queale said it is not uncommon for passengers to berate or assault drivers and "we never see videos of people doing that back in our favour."

Gosh, if only the bus company who owns the buses could place cameras that they own on the buses that they own to record such videos which they would then own and could post. But no, citizen journalism is their only recourse.

THIS....

I believe that in this day and age, the technology is more than cheap enough to have a "black box" which would have a video recording 24/7 on every bus. With something like a 1TB or 2TB drive, at a decent quality, they'd be able to record in at least a week's worth with a multiple angle video (front and back cameras/ split screen). If anything is going on, it would be easy to review the situation.

And it would work for both sides... both for the passengers and the drivers... any problem/complaints could easily be checked into.

It would have people behaving much better, knowing that they are being recorded.


Some OC Transpo buses are equipped cameras for just this purpose. Plus they have their own deputized Special Constables, why did the driver not pick up the radio and have a couple of cops come and collect the passenger, it happens all the time for drunk and disorderly. This driver was an asshole, simple as that.
 
2011-11-07 10:58:08 AM
They should find the person who filmed this and posted it online. Once they have him in custody, I'd sugest 40 years of hard labor with no parole, and a 400 lb cellmate named Bubba, who thinks he's really cute. Not for filming on a bus. For not turning his iPhone sideways when filming.
 
2011-11-07 11:07:10 AM

Leeds: F**K Unions. DIAF Mr "the driver might have been stressed out at the time" union boss scumbag.

Unions==Scumbags==Lazy_People==Worthless_People


I understand that you don't like unions. But - and I am only saying this because I care - there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market today that are just as tasty as the real thing.
 
2011-11-07 11:19:27 AM
Is a Queale similar to a Queef?
 
2011-11-07 11:19:35 AM

ongbok: Eskurido: Plenty of other sources have an actual link to the video, but since this one doesn't...


Here it is. (new window)

Watch it again and imagine it with Samuel L Jackson's voice. You will think it is awesome.

Lesson here is when somebody tells you to stop bothering them, stop. Otherwise you will get your feelings hurt like this guy did.


That kid's probably been getting away with being a dick to people in service positions for a long time.
 
2011-11-07 11:35:24 AM

Spoogie: Some OC Transpo buses are equipped cameras for just this purpose. Plus they have their own deputized Special Constables, why did the driver not pick up the radio and have a couple of cops come and collect the passenger, it happens all the time for drunk and disorderly. This driver was an asshole, simple as that.


I haven't taken a bus in over 10 years, so I'm glad to hear that they are doing it (even if limited).

For me, my experience with taking the bus was from necessity (no car at the time), I've had great drivers that were fun to talk to, and there's been many asshats that I couldn't understand how the hell they had the job in the first place.

As far as calling for assistance, seen it a few times, but I've also seen a driver that was scared shiatless of his "regulars" (schoolkids) , so no matter how nasty they were, he put up with turning a blind eye...

When I talked to him about these kids they were seriously harassing a guy who had downs, his reply was that he couldn't do anything as if he called it in, these kids would still be taking the bus the next day and he was afraid of what they'd do to him.

I did what I could... but I was limited to telling the idiots to smarten up and grow the hell up, placing myself between them and their target. I made calls, etc. and these kids continued to be arses, but I made sure that I'd meet all their threats with a serious ass-whooping would they ever try anything physical.

It was pretty rough to see a guy with down-syndrome that was minding his business, going to work every day being harassed like this, to the point that he cried, asking me to beat the shiat out of them... to which... I could only reply that I can't... the way the law is, unless they start first and I "defend", I'd be the "guilty" one.

I ended up moving and not taking that bus anymore, so I simply hoped that through the calls I made, something was eventually done.
 
2011-11-07 11:49:08 AM

Thorak: SphericalTime: It's not a professional position, but we still require our bus drivers, DMV counter workers, and other state employees to remain civil to citizens while on the job. That, and I don't know why you're defending the driver. Welcome to the world of camera phones.

I'm not defending the driver. I in fact specifically said I wasn't trying to excuse his actions. I'm saying it's not a professional position, so he doesn't have a professional code of ethics to abide by, and I'm saying this isn't newsworthy.


I disagree. He has a very, very basic code of ethics that he must adhere to retain his position. It might not be the Hippocratic oath, but bus drivers and other unskilled laborers often have to at least remain civil to maintain their jobs.

I can't think of very many positions that allow you to be a douchenozzle and keep your job. Congressman, policeman, and CEO, and the occasional AZ sheriff.
 
2011-11-07 12:14:01 PM

cenobyte40k: Really the excused to the bus drivers behavior are:
A) They are not suppose to be recording him
B) We don't know if the guy being attacked is really mentally ill
C) Bus drivers get attacked and no one ever records that happening

None of these changes that the bus drivers stopped the bus, got up, walked into the back, and verbally attacked a passenger. This union rep sounds like a 3 year old trying to get out of trouble.


In other words, he sounds like your typical union rep.
 
2011-11-07 12:14:31 PM

Thorak: He drives a bus. That's not a professional position.

I'm not excusing this guy's actions, but seriously. He's a bus driver. This is not a highly-skilled or -trained position. It's like being aghast that the guy who's mowing the park grass yells at you to "get the fark out of the way".



"Professional" can just mean courteous and businesslike. It doesn't have to refer to a specific learned career.
 
2011-11-07 12:37:42 PM
Threats of bodily harm are a crime - recording the event to document the occurance should be considered evidence - and protected by law. Stress, overwork, etc. does not justify potential violence.
 
2011-11-07 12:38:59 PM

imfallen_angel: Theaetetus: Queale said it is not uncommon for passengers to berate or assault drivers and "we never see videos of people doing that back in our favour."

Gosh, if only the bus company who owns the buses could place cameras that they own on the buses that they own to record such videos which they would then own and could post. But no, citizen journalism is their only recourse.

THIS....

I believe that in this day and age, the technology is more than cheap enough to have a "black box" which would have a video recording 24/7 on every bus. With something like a 1TB or 2TB drive, at a decent quality, they'd be able to record in at least a week's worth with a multiple angle video (front and back cameras/ split screen). If anything is going on, it would be easy to review the situation.

And it would work for both sides... both for the passengers and the drivers... any problem/complaints could easily be checked into.

It would have people behaving much better, knowing that they are being recorded.


I can't remember the last time I was on any type of bus (school, public transit) that didn't have some type of recording device on it. Whether said device was functional is another story.
 
2011-11-07 02:14:32 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: Degenerate Monkey: Maybe the driver should consider a new line of work.

Maybe the passenger should consider a new way of harassing bus drivers.

It's not the passenger's responsibility to remain professional, but it is the driver's.


The fark it isn't. As a passenger, you have a responsibility to act like a civilized adult while in public. If you can't manage this, you should be bodily thrown from the bus. It would make public transit far more appealing to the rest of us.
 
2011-11-07 02:18:27 PM
"Professional" means proper business-like behavior, especially in a customer service setting. I remember working as a switchboard operator 'waaay back in the 1970s and I earned a heck of a lot less than a union bus driver....I would have been fired, no questions asked, if I'd spoken to a caller like Mr. Bus Driver did to this hapless passenger. It's part of the job; stressed or not, having a bad day, PMS cramps, whatever, you still treat your customers with courtesy.
 
2011-11-07 02:19:49 PM
"sorrrrry!"

//dips out back of bus
 
2011-11-07 02:29:33 PM

babiez4sale: "sorrrrry!"

//dips out back of bus


my one son who is has mental issues apologizes to people all the time even when he is not in the wrong.
 
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