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(Chicago Trib)   All Nippon Airways discovers why you should not buy a new Boeing plane in its first model year   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 29
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4604 clicks; posted to Business » on 07 Nov 2011 at 10:21 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2011-11-07 10:30:16 AM
Boeing said it flies like a dream, they said nothing about landing.
 
2011-11-07 10:34:35 AM
pfft, it's only the landing gear. You only need that what? Maybe twice a flight?
 
2011-11-07 10:35:56 AM
So the monitor worked and the crew was able to manually lower the landing gear. Oh noes!
 
2011-11-07 11:04:26 AM
That happens all the time, big deal.

Unless of course the manual deployment also fails, then well, it's a big deal.
 
2011-11-07 11:28:28 AM
You never move into the future finding some problems. At least it wasn't "square windows failing" size problems.
 
2011-11-07 11:30:34 AM
Airbus / Scarebus
 
2011-11-07 11:42:39 AM
An All Nippon Airways Co. Boeing Co. 787 Dreamliner carrying 249 people had to make a second approach at a west Japan airport before landing, after a glitch forced the pilot to manually deploy the main landing gear, the airline said Monday.

Time to call... THE GLITCHFIXERS!

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2011-11-07 11:42:41 AM
ANA needs the 787's firmware update. :-)
 
2011-11-07 11:48:49 AM
is it just me or does there logo on the plane look like it says anal?
 
2011-11-07 11:59:18 AM
ANA is an awesome airline. Flew them out of Ronald Reagan to Japan and back to O'Hare. They have hot asian stewardesses who serve you some pretty good food, and you get all the free Asahi, Sapporo, and onigiri you want.
 
2011-11-07 12:09:18 PM
Never fly in anything with a Mk1 in its designation.

I thought people knew this.
 
2011-11-07 12:12:31 PM

Happy Hours: So the monitor worked and the crew was able to manually lower the landing gear. Oh noes!


Everything important on an airplane is redundant to some degree. You normally only ever get accidents nowadays if more than one thing goes wrong; like for example landing gear not deploying and monitor of landing gear not noticing it or pilot ignoring the warning.

Saying that the fall-back worked is not reassuring because it means that already on thing went wrong and you are now likely working without the redundancies. It means just one more thing has to go wrong to cause bad things to happen. Given that this is a new plane with crews that have obvious little experience with it, you are much more likely to have the second thing or third thing go wrong that you need to kill hundreds of people. I am not saying that something bad is likely to happen, but in the aerospace industry they use different safety margins than for consumer products that can at worst kill a handful of people.
 
2011-11-07 12:19:06 PM
Loki-L must have huge hands is all I'm saying
 
2011-11-07 12:23:27 PM
Oh well at least they haven't had to replace most of the crappy Rolls Royce engines yet like on the A380.

Check Notable Incidents (new window)
 
2011-11-07 01:38:13 PM
I manually deployed four times this weekend.
 
2011-11-07 01:45:26 PM

Pimpin76: Oh well at least they haven't had to replace most of the crappy Rolls Royce engines yet like on the A380.

Check Notable Incidents (new window)


Have to agree with you there. I will take a landing gear extension fault over an engine failure any day of the week.
 
2011-11-07 03:27:05 PM
If it's not Boeing, I'm not going?
 
2011-11-07 03:57:48 PM
How the hell do you manually deploy landing gear???

Do you have to go into the cargo and rotate some crank or lever or something?
 
2011-11-07 05:49:07 PM
At least it's not a design failure resulting in mangement not making sure that all engineering was performed in the same version of the same cad package
 
2011-11-07 05:52:47 PM

Underabridge: How the hell do you manually deploy landing gear???

Do you have to go into the cargo and rotate some crank or lever or something?


They probably just had to press the button to deploy the landing gear, instead of the computer automatically deploying them on approach.
 
2011-11-07 05:53:32 PM

Underabridge: How the hell do you manually deploy landing gear???

Do you have to go into the cargo and rotate some crank or lever or something?


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2011-11-07 06:26:33 PM

Loki-L: Saying that the fall-back worked is not reassuring because it means that already on thing went wrong and you are now likely working without the redundancies. It means just one more thing has to go wrong to cause bad things to happen.


"If only they'd built it with 6,001 hulls! When will they learn?"
 
2011-11-07 07:23:49 PM

potterydove: Underabridge: How the hell do you manually deploy landing gear???

Do you have to go into the cargo and rotate some crank or lever or something?

They probably just had to press the button to deploy the landing gear, instead of the computer automatically deploying them on approach.


Shouldn't the pilot be looking at this particular light, switch, display, cog, gizmo or widget before the alarm goes off?
 
2011-11-07 08:31:25 PM
They used to say you shouldn't take a Boeing airplane if it was made during the holidays because the factory workers were sloshed. Sounds like Boeing doesn't have that excuse this time.
 
2011-11-07 10:50:31 PM

MrEricSir: They used to say you shouldn't take a Boeing airplane if it was made during the holidays because the factory workers were sloshed. Sounds like Boeing doesn't have that excuse this time.


Also, you probably also shouldn't take a plane from a company which is in the process of f*cking over its union workers and moving a bunch of its work all the way to the other side of the country. With all that acrimony, somebody might forget to install something or check something, you know?
 
2011-11-08 01:00:25 AM
they bought these plans for a fraction of the actual price tag because they were early adopters, plus they were two years late, so they were cut an awesome deal.
 
2011-11-08 01:08:58 AM
Looks like this thread is full of the usual Boeing apologists.
 
2011-11-08 01:50:58 AM
"The glitch comes less than a week after a Boeing 767-300 with 220 passengers on board made an emergency landing on its belly at Warsaw international airport after its landing gear failed."

Uhhh.... no thanks on the Polish belly flop.
 
2011-11-08 12:08:53 PM

Pimpin76: Oh well at least they haven't had to replace most of the crappy Rolls Royce engines yet like on the A380.

Check Notable Incidents (new window)


Well - neither Airbus nor Boeing build jet engines. They do build landing gear, though.
 
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