This phrase FTFA seems to sum up everything that has ever been said or done in this particular conflict.

"far from the first time"

Why the fark do we care about Iran? The majority of the younger generation hates the theocratic government and wants them gone. A war against them is only going to provoke "rally to the flag" nationalism. Sit back, shut up, and maybe quietly push for them to push another Arab (although in this case Persian) Spring movement. This problem can be solved with soft power and a little bit of covert nudging here and there.

We really need to slap Israel upside the head for talking air strikes.

Mandrake, you can start by making me a drink of grain alcohol and rain water.

So how long until those ass-goblins on Wall Street drive up the prices on oil futures to unsustainable levels again?

And playing the party of Captain Obvious today is.. the Russian Government.

ha-ha-guy: Why the fark do we care about Iran? The majority of the younger generation hates the theocratic government and wants them gone. A war against them is only going to provoke "rally to the flag" nationalism. Sit back, shut up, and maybe quietly push for them to push another Arab (although in this case Persian) Spring movement. This problem can be solved with soft power and a little bit of covert nudging here and there.

We really need to slap Israel upside the head for talking air strikes.

Pretty much this. Soft, quiet pressure works pretty well. We don't need more wars. Especially right now.

In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

I think China is next in line for Middle East security guard duty (and boy are the Arabs going to miss us after they get to known the CPC).

ha-ha-guy: Why the fark do we care about Iran? The majority of the younger generation hates the theocratic government and wants them gone. A war against them is only going to provoke "rally to the flag" nationalism. Sit back, shut up, and maybe quietly push for them to push another Arab (although in this case Persian) Spring movement. This problem can be solved with soft power and a little bit of covert nudging here and there.

We really need to slap Israel upside the head for talking air strikes.

Soft power doesn't sell weapons.

ha-ha-guy: Why the fark do we care about Iran? The majority of the younger generation hates the theocratic government and wants them gone. A war against them is only going to provoke "rally to the flag" nationalism. Sit back, shut up, and maybe quietly push for them to push another Arab (although in this case Persian) Spring movement. This problem can be solved with soft power and a little bit of covert nudging here and there.

We really need to slap Israel upside the head for talking air strikes.



Sneak a couple million X-boxes in there. Problem solved.

ha-ha-guy: I think China is next in line for Middle East security guard duty (and boy are the Arabs going to miss us after they get to known the CPC).

They don't run (out of soldiers) either.

Funny. I wonder if Russia would babble the same sh*t if Chechnya or Georgia completed making enough material for a nuclear weapon and had a ready supply of missiles that could reach Moscow. Wonder if they'd repeat the same bullsh*t rhetoric about "we'll talk to them...we're cool, we're cool". F*ck that. I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

ha-ha-guy: I think China is next in line for Middle East security guard duty (and boy are the Arabs most people going to miss us after they get to known the CPC).

I'm highly critical of the many farkups the US has (I'm an American), but I honestly believe we've done a damn fine job overall as a world superpower. In that I mean to say I agree with you.

/Too many in the world seem to forget the phrase "Be careful what you wish for."
//Don't support assisting nations that have publicly demand we have nothing to do with them.

ha-ha-guy: Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

I think China is next in line for Middle East security guard duty (and boy are the Arabs going to miss us after they get to known the CPC).

IMO China is heading for the shiatter and won't be projecting power, their nation's major resource is 1 billion people on a planet with 7 billion people, selling ice to Eskimos.

indarwinsshadow: I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

When were they attacked by Iran?

Sweet $150 a barrel.

At some price, all the oil produced in the US will be exported but you'd never hear about it over the shouts of Shill Baby Shill. And you'll be too busy watching the Toxic Avenger as a documentary.

indarwinsshadow: I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

And Iran sees it as defending themselves from crazy ass fundies like the Israelis.

They're all religious nut-jobs.

indarwinsshadow: Funny. I wonder if Russia would babble the same sh*t if Chechnya or Georgia completed making enough material for a nuclear weapon and had a ready supply of missiles that could reach Moscow. Wonder if they'd repeat the same bullsh*t rhetoric about "we'll talk to them...we're cool, we're cool". F*ck that. I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

Yea well the Persians use the exact same logic against "crazy ass fundies" like the zionists.

The iranians are sick of the ayatollahs. Leave them alone and they'll get rid of them on their own.

/*skims through thread*
//looks like my post is a bit redundant

Headso: ha-ha-guy: Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

I think China is next in line for Middle East security guard duty (and boy are the Arabs going to miss us after they get to known the CPC).

IMO China is heading for the shiatter and won't be projecting power, their nation's major resource is 1 billion people on a planet with 7 billion people, selling ice to Eskimos.

Chatter is that China is only a few years away from being able to sustain an internal consumer economy.

Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

The oil price remains the same whether it is sourced domestically or from foreign sources. It's a global commodity.

Funny. I wonder if Russia would babble the same sh*t if Chechnya or Georgia completed making enough material for a nuclear weapon and had a ready supply of missiles that could reach Moscow. Wonder if they'd repeat the same bullsh*t rhetoric about "we'll talk to them...we're cool, we're cool". F*ck that. I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

Give me a break. Iran has entrenched power structures filled with powerful people interested in keeping that power. There's zero solid evidence they'd launch a suicidal first-strike on Tel Aviv. Nukes will increase their regional power, influence and standing but MAD still applies. We should try and delay and stymy their efforts within reason, sure. But f*ck the stupid, crazy Israeli war hawk lobby. Fear-mongering and propaganda at its best/worst.

Apparently a concept lost on the drooling mouth breathers of the israeli lobby.

Of course Iran is conducting clandestine nuclear research. All of the cool kids bullies nuclear power states don't want to let anymore countries into their club. Just as much of the "developed" world is dependent upon foreign nations for petroleum, they want to make sure that the rest of the world is dependent upon them for nuclear material. So, no matter what sort of nuclear research Iran is doing, e.g. power generation, radio-medicine, or weapons, Iran feels it must keep it all under wraps, i.e. clandestine, in order to make unimpeded progress. I can't say I blame them either. The American public at large is generally anti-nuke and uneducated about it. I don't expect our political and military leaders to be much more intelligent about the issue either.

Hardline Iranian cleric Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami warned the IAEA on Monday not to become "an instrument without will in the hands of the United States".

"DEATH TO AMERICA!" YOU FORGOT TO SAY "DEATH TO AMERICA!"
YOU'RE FIRED

aearra: Apparently a concept lost on the drooling mouth breathers of the israeli lobby.

Actually... No. They want a hostile Iran. It gives them a major boogie man to point at. Do you really think the Lakud party could handle peace? Having a hostile outsider is a good distraction.

Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

The oil price remains the same whether it is sourced domestically or from foreign sources. It's a global commodity.

but on a weak dollar we pay more for foreign oil.

Rashnu; Give me a break. Iran has entrenched power structures filled with powerful people interested in keeping that power. There's zero solid evidence they'd launch a suicidal first-strike on Tel Aviv. Nukes will increase their regional power, influence and standing but MAD still applies. We should try and delay and stymy their efforts within reason, sure. But f*ck the stupid, crazy Israeli war hawk lobby. Fear-mongering and propaganda at its best/worst.

Iran knows full well that any attack vs Israel would result in massive damage to its own country, due to the scope of the retaliation. They're not stupid, or suicidal. Nor particularly belligerent for the neighbourhood. I mean, I think it's been a FEW HUNDRED YEARS since Iran invaded any of her neighbours.

However, if Israel "pre-emptively" strikes Iran, they don't even have to aim their missiles at Tel Aviv. They have hundreds of thousands of American troops in most of the countries surrounding them, well within range.

Not to mention they can shut the Strait of Hormuz tighter than a frog's ass.

Won't happen, unless it's some crazy paranoid Netanyahu scheme.

Headso: Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

The oil price remains the same whether it is sourced domestically or from foreign sources. It's a global commodity.

but on a weak dollar we pay more for foreign oil.

No, we really don't since oil trades are conducted in dollars globally. All oil gets more expensive as the dollar weakens.

special20: Crazy Ivan The Powers That Be wants a war.

TPTB were willing to kill 3000 Americans in our own country to start a "war" with Iraq. I'm sure they'll do any fool thing to start another money making scheme for the military-industrial complex.

/You've got plenty of tax dollars to spare, right?

Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: In interesting thing has been happening over the past half dozen years or so, the US has become increasingly less dependent on foreign oil. If we continue to become less dependent we will be somewhat insulated to price spikes on a weak dollar. We also might get to a point where we are not as interested in the goings on in the middle east and the EU will actually have to spend some moolah maintaining order there to keep oil flowing.

The oil price remains the same whether it is sourced domestically or from foreign sources. It's a global commodity.

but on a weak dollar we pay more for foreign oil.

No, we really don't since oil trades are conducted in dollars globally. All oil gets more expensive as the dollar weakens.

Yeah, we really do because our dollar goes less far on foreign goods when the dollar is weak.

jakomo002: Iran knows full well that any attack vs Israel would result in massive damage to its own country, due to the scope of the retaliation. They're not stupid, or suicidal. Nor particularly belligerent for the neighbourhood. I mean, I think it's been a FEW HUNDRED YEARS since Iran invaded any of her neighbours.

However, if Israel "pre-emptively" strikes Iran, they don't even have to aim their missiles at Tel Aviv. They have hundreds of thousands of American troops in most of the countries surrounding them, well within range.

Not to mention they can shut the Strait of Hormuz tighter than a frog's ass.

Won't happen, unless it's some crazy paranoid Netanyahu scheme.

Yeah. I'm hoping this is just posturing by the Israelis to try and force stepped-up international pressure on the Iranians. The alternative is a bit horrifying; though I'm sure there is a non-negligible contingent of insane Israeli and American hawks who favor a first-strike, consequences be damned.

ha-ha-guy: Why the fark do we care about Iran? The majority of the younger generation hates the theocratic government and wants them gone. A war against them is only going to provoke "rally to the flag" nationalism.

Because the only reason to learn history is to learn how to repeat your mistakes- even the recent ones.

/not a repeat from the early 2000's.

Plus, don't forget that the Iranians are making overtures to the Saudis for a comprehensive peace (or at least less naked aggression). I think some of that is the reason for the hilarious Iranian car-dealer hiring a Mexican drug dealer to kill a Saudi ambassador "plot".

Plus, with Americans moving out of Iraq, you can bet your ass that Ahmadinejad has Maliki's number on speed-dial, and is ready to aid them in any way they can, in return for some favors.

All of which is no good for the US.

So we enter another period of the news cycle where Iran is the biggest threat to global peace since 1939 Germany. Blahbittyblah

Rashnu: Yeah. I'm hoping this is just posturing by the Israelis to try and force stepped-up international pressure on the Iranians. The alternative is a bit horrifying; though I'm sure there is a non-negligible contingent of insane Israeli and American hawks who favor a first-strike, consequences be damned.

Unfortunately it looks like Netanyahu and Barak are hellbent on attacking Iran and soon.

Netanyahu trying to persuade cabinet to support attack on Iran

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/netanyahu-trying-to-persuad e -cabinet-to-support-attack-on-iran-1.393214

jakomo002: Plus, with Americans moving out of Iraq, you can bet your ass that Ahmadinejad has Maliki's number on speed-dial, and is ready to aid them in any way they can, in return for some favors.

All of which is no good for the US.

Seriously. Whose f*cking bright idea was it to expend a lot of American blood and money invading Iraq, an obvious consequence of which had to be a Shia majority government WAY friendlier to Iran than Saddam and thus greater regional power and influence for Iran (which means for China and Russia as well)?

impaler: Philip Francis Queeg: No, we really don't since oil trades are conducted in dollars globally. All oil gets more expensive as the dollar weakens.

Oil is the only commodity magically not effected by exchange rates. True story.

Oh it's effected by exchange rates. The difference is that the effect is significantly globalized due to everyone using dollars to trade oil.

Rashnu: Whose f*cking bright idea was it to expend a lot of American blood and money invading Iraq

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jakomo002: Barak

DRINK!

Rashnu; Seriously. Whose f*cking bright idea was it to expend a lot of American blood and money invading Iraq, an obvious consequence of which had to be a Shia majority government WAY friendlier to Iran than Saddam and thus greater regional power and influence for Iran (which means for China and Russia as well)?

And then you have Republicans blaming Obama for leaving, and making Iraq ripe for the picking for Iran.

Which they should have realized would be a direct consequence of the invasion when they were in the PLANNING STAGES. They ought to have known from Day One that smashing the Iraqi government (and infrastructure and economy) would leave opportunities for Iran to ingratiate herself very deeply in reconstruction.

Which, of course, in the rest of the world just means that you have a neighbouring country trying to help people rebuild stuff, but in the Middle East it's Iran "destabilizing" the region.

jakomo002: Unfortunately it looks like Netanyahu and Barak are hellbent on attacking Iran and soon.

Maybe we can send George Bush over there to explain to them how preemptive strikes don't win you any friends.

jakomo002: Unfortunately it looks like Netanyahu and Barak are hellbent on attacking Iran and soon.

Netanyahu trying to persuade cabinet to support attack on Iran

Ha. Well that should end well if it goes down. What, are people just bored with the brief lull in momentous and region reconfiguring Middle-Eastern events?

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indarwinsshadow: Funny. I wonder if Russia would babble the same sh*t if Chechnya or Georgia completed making enough material for a nuclear weapon and had a ready supply of missiles that could reach Moscow. Wonder if they'd repeat the same bullsh*t rhetoric about "we'll talk to them...we're cool, we're cool". F*ck that. I may not always agree with the strong arm tactics of Israel but, they have the absolute right to defend themselves against crazy ass fundies like the Persians.

Yea well the Persians use the exact same logic against "crazy ass fundies" like the zionists

Yes, because in Israel, if you're homosexual or happen to say "what god" they'll hang your ass from a crane in front of your children. Or stone your head in while you're buried up to your armpits because you happened to fart in public, oh wait. That's Iran... Again, try and stay with the program will you? I know it gives a lot of people a boner to hate Jews and such, but Iran is run by the kind of crazies that make North Korea seem like a Disney Land. They don't just hate Jews. They hate you too, just for shiats and giggles. And getting back on topic, Russia looks full retard saying dialog when their idea of dialog with Chechnya is to bomb the shiat out of them and invade their country.

Zombie Reagan approves of this headline.

jakomo002: Plus, don't forget that the Iranians are making overtures to the Saudis for a comprehensive peace (or at least less naked aggression). I think some of that is the reason for the hilarious Iranian car-dealer hiring a Mexican drug dealer to kill a Saudi ambassador "plot".

Plus, with Americans moving out of Iraq, you can bet your ass that Ahmadinejad has Maliki's number on speed-dial, and is ready to aid them in any way they can, in return for some favors.

All of which is no good for the US.

A friendly Iran/Saudi relationship removes any plan for an Israeli airstrike on Iran. Without Saudi-permitted over-flights, Israel couldn't make the round trip (unless they violate someone else's airspace, that is).

Iran and Iraq are next door to each other... Why would we not expect them to develop a relationship?

What's not good for the US?

indarwinsshadow: Again, try and stay with the program will you? I know it gives a lot of people a boner to hate Jews and such, but Iran is run by the kind of crazies that make North Korea seem like a Disney Land. They don't just hate Jews. They hate you too, just for shiats and giggles.

Are you just making shiat up now?