ecmoRandomNumbers: Maybe all the unemployed could get a job with the DEA stealing drugs, money, and property from people.

Of if the DEA keeps shooting all the drug dealers, there will always be positions in the cartels opening up.

xanadian: Yeah, legalize all the drugs, then all your DEA agents will be out of a job and sucking off the government teat.

Why do you hate America, subby? WHHHYYYY

Who pays for the DEA, if not the government? They're already sucking off the government teat.

Billions of dollars wasted, with no reduction in the number of addicts, no reduction in the amount of drugs available on the street, and no reduction of the number of people willing to grow/manufacture/smuggle the drugs.

BurnShrike: xanadian: Yeah, legalize all the drugs, then all your DEA agents will be out of a job and sucking off the government teat.

Why do you hate America, subby? WHHHYYYY

Who pays for the DEA, if not the government? They're already sucking off the government teat.

Billions of dollars wasted, with no reduction in the number of addicts, no reduction in the amount of drugs available on the street, and no reduction of the number of people willing to grow/manufacture/smuggle the drugs.

We do also have to ensure that the prison system gets its fair share of money too.

BurnShrike: xanadian: Yeah, legalize all the drugs, then all your DEA agents will be out of a job and sucking off the government teat.

Why do you hate America, subby? WHHHYYYY

Who pays for the DEA, if not the government? They're already sucking off the government teat.

Billions of dollars wasted, with no reduction in the number of addicts, no reduction in the amount of drugs available on the street, and no reduction of the number of people willing to grow/manufacture/smuggle the drugs.

Actually, drugs are kind of out of control now that legitimate work is scarce. Dealing is a paying job, and using is a way to escape the grueling drag of unemployment or the crushing despair of underemployment. People turn to drugs in bad times. This is not a surprise.

But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday. Letting people destroy their lives with these dangerous chemicals is immoral and we ought to spend resources to save them.

If only we could stop the flow of....

This Florida based Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA crash landed on September 24, 2007 after it ran out of fuel over Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula it had a cargo of several tons of Cocaine on board. Now documents have turned up on both sides of the Atlantic that link this Cocaine Smuggling Gulfstream II jet aircraft # N987SA that crashed in Mexico...
... to the CIA who used it on at least 3 rendition flights from Europe and the USA to Guantanamo's infamous torture chambers between 2003 to 2005.

Link (Google News)

AverageAmericanGuy: But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday.

I don't know about that. Your favorite food service worker? Cokehead.

CapnBlues: Now, here we are.

Sucking butt in a slum wishing we could afford to do drugs to forget about everything!

"We now spend more in manpower and logistics to combat drugs than we do to create jobs and prosperity in America"

What? What does one have to do with the other? Ya, I bet we waste tax dollars on the drug war, but every time I buy groceries I spend money to create jobs and prosperity. I spend thousands of dollars a month to create jobs and prosperity. btw, economic numbers are not mentioned in the article, how can you make the claim that the drug war costs are bigger than the rest of the economy?

tricycleracer: AverageAmericanGuy: But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday.

I don't know about that. Your favorite food service worker? Cokehead.

lmao.. like a food service worker can afford cocaine.

Government will never create prosperity, only hamper it. And the only jobs it creates are Government jobs.

AverageAmericanGuy: Actually, drugs are kind of out of control now that legitimate work is scarce. Dealing is a paying job, and using is a way to escape the grueling drag of unemployment or the crushing despair of underemployment. People turn to drugs in bad times. This is not a surprise.

But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday. Letting people destroy their lives with these dangerous chemicals is immoral and we ought to spend resources to save them.

Trololololol

WanPhat: What? What does one have to do with the other?

Asphalt and potatoes have very little in common, yet I'm sure you'd be pissed if you spent so much money on pavement every month that you went hungry.

What prosperity may look like:

Alonjar: tricycleracer: AverageAmericanGuy: But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday.

I don't know about that. Your favorite food service worker? Cokehead.

lmao.. like a food service worker can afford cocaine.

Obviously you have never worked in food service.

ThunderPelvis: Where are the goddamn teapartiers on THIS one? Yeah, government is bad and stuff...until your pursuit of happiness includes smoking flowers or rolling up a dollar bill and jamming sh*t up your nose, in which case they're perfectly happy to have f*cking stormtroopers kicking in your door, taking all of your stuff, and locking you up with murderers, rapists, and thieves...

/Gawd Bless 'Merrica, the most free-est, freedom-est country on the planet.

ROFL ... thank you, sir ... and you owe me a new keyboard. Favorited.

ThunderPelvis: Where are the goddamn teapartiers on THIS one? Yeah, government is bad and stuff...until your pursuit of happiness includes smoking flowers or rolling up a dollar bill and jamming sh*t up your nose, in which case they're perfectly happy to have f*cking stormtroopers kicking in your door, taking all of your stuff, and locking you up with murderers, rapists, and thieves...

/Gawd Bless 'Merrica, the most free-est, freedom-est country on the planet.

You really shouldn't make fun of the mentally handicapped. It's not their fault.

/with apologies to the mentally handicapped
//you're better than the TEAparty

ThunderPelvis: Where are the goddamn teapartiers on THIS one? Yeah, government is bad and stuff...until your pursuit of happiness includes smoking flowers or rolling up a dollar bill and jamming sh*t up your nose, in which case they're perfectly happy to have f*cking stormtroopers kicking in your door, taking all of your stuff, and locking you up with murderers, rapists, and thieves...

God said drugs are bad, mmmkay?

AverageAmericanGuy: But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday. Letting people destroy their lives with these dangerous chemicals is immoral and we ought to spend resources to save them.

My brother was an addict. I say was because he did at the age of 30 in 2004. It is a bit of a cliche, but where there is a will there will always be a way to get drugs. No amount of money or laws is going to ever stop an addict --only an addict can stop themselves. By the time my brother decided to get clean, he had already wreak his body to the point of no return. I spend a fair amount of time crying over the life my brother had wasted, but I'll be damn if I'll ever agree that we should people that do not want to be helped.

The only sane course of action is to legalize drugs, control the purity, tax the revenue, and set up programs to help those that want to get out.

Opiates are the religion of the people. Especially poor, hopeless people during a depression. Any questions?

3StratMan: Government will never create prosperity, only hamper it. And the only jobs it creates are Government jobs.

Unless it has anything to do with the military, of course.

CapnBlues: FarkedOver: CapnBlues: Now, here we are.

Sucking butt in a slum wishing we could afford to do drugs to forget about everything!

i'd be a druggie if i could afford it.

(not really)

(okay maybe a little recreational heroin use, but that's all!)

I only smoke weed to get the butt sucking after taste out of my mouth.

I agree, the drug war needs to be ended or at least extremely dialed back.

I disagree that money should be used to "create jobs" which is just nonsense.

Alonjar: tricycleracer: AverageAmericanGuy: But it is still a moral scourge that saps the ethic necessary to carry oneself to work everyday.

I don't know about that. Your favorite food service worker? Cokehead.

lmao.. like a food service worker can afford cocaine.

You know how I know you don't know any food service workers?

I have some projects in the state of Amazonas, Colombia. 15 years ago we couldn't work there because it was controlled by drug cartels. Basically the only economy was drugs and many people left to work elsewhere. With A LOT of help from America, Colombia took control back and gradually life became much more normal. Some small farmers still make money from growing coca, but most people are much happier to have a normal life without the fear of being murdered by the drug lords.

I also work quite a bit in Belize where the police are paid to smuggle drugs. It's a big problem, but it'd be worse without the Americans "helping" control it. I'm sure not everybody there agrees, but I think things would be worse if the drug lords (the 1%) were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

MugzyBrown: I disagree that money should be used to "create jobs" which is just nonsense.

It should be invested in some constructive fashion. Much of it can come out of the deficit, but some of that money should be used for infrastructure. If we were really serious about shrinking the deficit, that's what cutting military budgets is for.

WanPhat: I'm sure not everybody there agrees, but I think things would be worse if the drug lords (the 1%) were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

If you ended the black market the bottom would fall out of the drug economy and that 1% would suddenly find themselves in a pile of shiat. In fact, I strongly suspect that most of the donations made to tough-on-crime/anti-drug candidates come from criminal organizations. The DEA and the cartels both share a goal: keep the prices of drugs high.

WanPhat: I also work quite a bit in Belize where the police are paid to smuggle drugs. It's a big problem, but it'd be worse without the Americans "helping" control it. I'm sure not everybody there agrees, but I think things would be worse if the drug lords (the 1%) were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

It's the illegal nature of the drugs that creates the drug lords. A better way to get rid of them, and make the country safe again would be by removing their main source of income. Legalize the drugs, their markets dry up and the cartels begin to crumble.

We need to protect the jobs of D.A.R.E. officers because even though studies have shown for over a decade that the education they provide is worthless, those officers have families to feed and cool uniform badges to wear.

Drug enforcement officers also would have a difficult time re-integrating into banal police work and would experience diminished self-esteem, status and paychecks if put out of their drug enforcement jobs and back on the street. ON THE STREET?

Why won't anyone think of the cops and their spouses and children? THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

These cops are Americans, too. THEY ARE AMERICANS! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

What kind of anti-American, God-hating people want to put children out on the street? The same people that like to flaunt "facts" and "truth" all the time as if those things didn't hurt cops and destroy jobs and families, the bastards.

Combat drugs. I just had a quaint mental image of kilo bags with arms and legs and army helmets running through a densely structured urban area with tiny AKs.

/Throwing frag, takce cover!

Fact: It's impossible to force someone to change their behavior.

This is why drug laws are stupid. People who will continue to use drugs forever and ever, no matter how much money and manpower you throw at it. This is why we should legalize, regulate, and tax all drugs.

/i don't do drugs
//i dont care if you do

cbackous: xanadian: Yeah, legalize all the drugs, then all your DEA agents will be out of a job and sucking off the government teat.

Why do you hate America, subby? WHHHYYYY

well there would still be illegal trafficing and "black market" drugs depending on the model of "legalize" you go with.

Farmers could grow drugs, instead of the government paying them to grow nothing. Government could tax the sale of drugs, dispensories could regulate the purity and amount purchased per day/week.

Is this what you urbanites really believe? Are you really under the impression that there are millions of acres of prime farmland just sitting idle right now so the farmers can collect a check from the government? Yes, the CRP program still exists, although it is greatly diminished from what it used to be. Most of the ground in CRP today is land that is highly erodible or otherwise easily degraded. I guess conservation and protecting the environment is only cool if it doesn't interfere with your silly talking points.

wmoonfox: ThunderPelvis: Where are the goddamn teapartiers on THIS one? Yeah, government is bad and stuff...until your pursuit of happiness includes smoking flowers or rolling up a dollar bill and jamming sh*t up your nose, in which case they're perfectly happy to have f*cking stormtroopers kicking in your door, taking all of your stuff, and locking you up with murderers, rapists, and thieves...

God said drugs are bad, mmmkay?

No, he didn't. Not in the Old Testament, anyway.

'smatter of fact, the G-man tells Adam that he has dominion over the earth. (Reaffirmed in Psalms 115:16: "The heavens are god's domain, but the land was given over to the children of men.")

The only defined substance-related prohibitions are on alcohol, and against worshipping/assisting in temple service while under the influence.

// smoke crack and worship Jesus, just remember to wait half an hour so you don't cramp up

WanPhat: I'm sure not everybody there agrees, but I think things would be worse if the drug lords (the 1%) were allowed to do whatever they wanted.

Legalizing and regulating recreational drugs would crash the illegal drug market. Some of your drug lords may go legitimate, but most would go out of business as the premium they charge for delivering otherwise unobtainable goods vanishes. The economies of drug-supplying states remain intact as production and distribution is legitimized, and "first world" nations can stop wasting so much damned money on a problem that they have made no progress on in the past several decades, instead taxing the new market to generate revenue.

These are not new ideas, and if libertarians or "small government" activists actually believed the nonsense that they copy/paste all over the internet, they would support the initiative 100%.

Maybe they should legalize drugs. Then all you idiots who cry for them can snort all day, lose your jobs, and thus create job openings. Brilliant!

/of course it'll be thousands of McJobs, but hey, it's a start

I'm involved in profiting from a major drug cartel at the moment, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

BurnShrike: xanadian: Yeah, legalize all the drugs, then all your DEA agents will be out of a job and sucking off the government teat.

Why do you hate America, subby? WHHHYYYY

Who pays for the DEA, if not the government? They're already sucking off the government teat.

So it's kinda like welfare but the recipients might get killed? Hmmmm.....