The state of Mississippi would like a word.

Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Allow me to translate... Mentat to English: "Oh shiat. What did we do? I better try to play it up like it was a good thing. Maybe if I act tough people will buy into it."

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More like a new honkbag.

Short term loss for long term gain. Did my undergrad work at Mizzou and I have no problem with this. Two reasons:

First...Regardless of whether or not Missouri stayed, the Big 12 is finished. Oklahoma will bolt soon enough, and the rest of the schools have nowhere to go. And what incentive does any other quality school have then to join the Big 12? Playing farking Baylor or K State? Please. And as the quality of the conference continues to degrade, so will the recruiting prospects. The Big 12 is in a slow death spiral from which it has no chance of ever fully recovering.

Second, assuming no more changes, even next year where does Missouri stand a better chance to recruit prospects? In the so-called Big 12 that's reduced to 10 schools--most of which nobody gives a shiat about--or the SEC? Answer: SEC.

Sure the competition is going to be tougher in the short term. Much tougher in some cases. But the alternative was staying in the 10 team Big 12...and who the fark would opt to do that?

GAT_00: That's A&M, not Mizzou.

Now, now... There's plenty of ass whipping to go around.

So A&M and Mizzou go from not competing in the Big 12 to not competing in the SEC?

Combined, they have a grand total of two Big 12 Championships in sports people actually watch.

In summary,

I think that Mizzou is going to be a middle of the road SEC team pretty similar to how they were a middle of the road B12 team.

The SEC should provide for some fun games, and although I wish Mizzou would have stayed in the B12, I understand them not wanting to be the last one off a sinking ship.

At least since A&M is going to we should be able to keep our texas recruiting pipeline.

Plus, this means that this years MU-kU game should be a real hostile one, with it being the last that the two teams could play for a while and a chance for KU to bring the record back to even or KU with the all time lead (depending on who's recording you use).

Should be a great one.

/M-I-Z
//Fark K-U!!

chuggernaught: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Allow me to translate... Mentat to English: "Oh shiat. What did we do? I better try to play it up like it was a good thing. Maybe if I act tough people will buy into it."

Im sure the rest of the big 12 will be regretting not leaving since it will be done in a few years, christ they had to invite some mid major who's greatest offer was the big east.

It will be interesting to see Kansas and k-state wondering what they were thinking.

SharkTrager: GAT_00: That's A&M, not Mizzou.

Now, now... There's plenty of ass whipping to go around.

Hey, at least A&M wasn't replaced by West Virginia before they even offically got an invite.

Missouri got shunned by the Big Ten and, instead of being begged to stay by the Big 12, got a form letter and the bum's rush.

Slor doin' the Walk of Shame!

Menace II Sobriety: I think that Mizzou is going to be a middle of the road SEC team pretty similar to how they were a middle of the road B12 team.

The SEC should provide for some fun games, and although I wish Mizzou would have stayed in the B12, I understand them not wanting to be the last one off a sinking ship.

At least since A&M is going to we should be able to keep our texas recruiting pipeline.

Plus, this means that this years MU-kU game should be a real hostile one, with it being the last that the two teams could play for a while and a chance for KU to bring the record back to even or KU with the all time lead (depending on who's recording you use).

Should be a great one.

/M-I-Z
//Fark K-U!!

Kansas fans are actually kinda ambivalent about this year's Border War. If Gill flukes himself into a win he might get another year. So you could utterly fark us over one last time on the way out the door.

But if we fire him before the game, it's ON.

BTW, it's gonna be hard to keep that Texas pipeline when you only play in the state once every four years as opposed to twice a year.

I think Mizzou and A&M are both going to help the SEC in the long run and help themselves. They'll strengthen SEC presence in their home states, after about a decade they'll be past the newbie status (SC and Arkansas are good indicators), and they'll be playing big name teams each year. And the better part is that both teams are relatively known already, and they only need a single class of winning teams to gain momentum.

There will be blood in the short term, but after a few years I think this will pay off in the long run.

TheOther: SharkTrager: GAT_00: That's A&M, not Mizzou.

Now, now... There's plenty of ass whipping to go around.

Hey, at least A&M wasn't replaced by West Virginia before they even offically got an invite.

Missouri got shunned by the Big Ten and, instead of being begged to stay by the Big 12, got a form letter and the bum's rush.

Slor doin' the Walk of Shame!

I was surprised by the WVU to Big 12. I thought they would go to the SEC (for 15) and then the SEC would wrap up by adding one more squad. Yes, it doesn't make sense geo, but I thought reports were out there about WVU-SEC talks. ACC then needs to add Uconn and Rutgers

Riothamus: Kansas fans are actually kinda ambivalent about this year's Border War. If Gill flukes himself into a win he might get another year. So you could utterly fark us over one last time on the way out the door.

But if we fire him before the game, it's ON.

BTW, it's gonna be hard to keep that Texas pipeline when you only play in the state once every four years as opposed to twice a year.

I agree. It's going to be tricky to continue to get quality recruits out of TX, but hopefully with some work and a few years we can open up another pipeline in the South East somewhere. Probably just wishful thinking for my Tigers.

Around here, it seems like MU fans want nothing more than to leave the B12 with one last victory over KU, especially since our bowl hopes may be directly linked to a win in that game, assuming we can win over TX (probably not) or TT (maybe...)

If we aren't bowl eligible then I think that game may take on an additional sense of urgency for the players, hopefully on both sides of the ball.

Should be a fun one from this side of state line road, anyhow.

Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Who's we? This is the dumbest decision in the history of Missouri sports.

Take a team that's having an off year in an otherwise good rise to the top of its conference, then destroy its traditions and dignity for a quick buck.

As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school. UMKC maybe, but I really don't want a part of all of this. What I came to Mizzou for is no longer here, sports-wise.

Don't even get me started on what this will do to KC's economy and sports culture.

steamingpile: chuggernaught: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Allow me to translate... Mentat to English: "Oh shiat. What did we do? I better try to play it up like it was a good thing. Maybe if I act tough people will buy into it."

Im sure the rest of the big 12 will be regretting not leaving since it will be done in a few years, christ they had to invite some mid major who's greatest offer was the big east.

It will be interesting to see Kansas and k-state wondering what they were thinking.

Dude, the Kansas schools are kinda screwed due to geography. We never really had the option to leave. We're the victims here. KU's best hope (besides a resilient Big 12) is for a miraculous Big 10 rescue. KSU is totally hosed if the Big 12 fails.

Marine1: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Who's we? This is the dumbest decision in the history of Missouri sports.

Take a team that's having an off year in an otherwise good rise to the top of its conference, then destroy its traditions and dignity for a quick buck.

As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school. UMKC maybe, but I really don't want a part of all of this. What I came to Mizzou for is no longer here, sports-wise.

Don't even get me started on what this will do to KC's economy and sports culture.

So you've not been following college football at all for the last decade?

/Picking a school for its athletics if you're not an athlete is farking dumb.

Marine1: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Who's we? This is the dumbest decision in the history of Missouri sports.

Take a team that's having an off year in an otherwise good rise to the top of its conference, then destroy its traditions and dignity for a quick buck.

As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school. UMKC maybe, but I really don't want a part of all of this. What I came to Mizzou for is no longer here, sports-wise.

Don't even get me started on what this will do to KC's economy and sports culture.

Wait, Mizzou's sports factored into your college decision? Are you some sort of masochist?

TheOther: SharkTrager: GAT_00: That's A&M, not Mizzou.

Now, now... There's plenty of ass whipping to go around.

Hey, at least A&M wasn't replaced by West Virginia before they even offically got an invite.

Missouri got shunned by the Big Ten and, instead of being begged to stay by the Big 12, got a form letter and the bum's rush.

Slor doin' the Walk of Shame!

Well WVU is not the same team they were a few years ago, they are ok for the acc bit will be worse than mizzou in the big 12.

They were only asked out if big 12 desperation, I'm still shocked the big 12 didn't ask boise, I thought it was almost a given they would invite them.

Marine1: As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school.

I've never once been compelled to add someone's comment to my profile, but I'm strongly considering it here. That is quite honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read on Fark..and I spend most of my time here on the Politics tab. In fact, it may actually be the dumbest thing I've ever read anywhere.

I've favorited you as "The dumbest person on Fark." I lack the words to express how much I look forward to your future comments. Can you top that one? Please try!

GAT_00: Marine1: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Who's we? This is the dumbest decision in the history of Missouri sports.

Take a team that's having an off year in an otherwise good rise to the top of its conference, then destroy its traditions and dignity for a quick buck.

As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school. UMKC maybe, but I really don't want a part of all of this. What I came to Mizzou for is no longer here, sports-wise.

Don't even get me started on what this will do to KC's economy and sports culture.

You went to a school because of what conference it was in? That's the most embarrassing and pathetic thing I've ever heard, not to mention stupid.

As a regular poster on the Politics tab, you certainly know your embarrassing and stupid.

And Marine1, do you think this move is gonna hurt Mizzou's share of the KC market? I think KSU will benefit more than my beloved Jayhawks in this mess. Your move helps us a little bit, but KSU could fill that football vacuum and we'll see a new generation of insufferable Jayhawk basketball/Wildcat football fans. I've always despised those people.

This just sucks. We'll lose a great rivalry just so you can shoot yourselves in both feet AGAIN.

The SEC should have taken Boise State instead.

RogueViking: Marine1: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Who's we? This is the dumbest decision in the history of Missouri sports.

Take a team that's having an off year in an otherwise good rise to the top of its conference, then destroy its traditions and dignity for a quick buck.

As a Mizzou student, I'm literally disgusted to the point where I'm thinking of transferring to another school. UMKC maybe, but I really don't want a part of all of this. What I came to Mizzou for is no longer here, sports-wise.

Don't even get me started on what this will do to KC's economy and sports culture.

So you've not been following college football at all for the last decade?

/Picking a school for its athletics if you're not an athlete is farking dumb.

College sports are more than just ways for some dolts to get an athletic "scholarship". It brings a community together. In the case of MU, it brings together a bunch of people against those smug assholes known as KU fans. Even before I was big into MU, I knew those people were to be despised. Now, they're not there to hate. You wouldn't believe how much tradition here hinges on the geographic rivals around Mizzou. It also gave Kansas City a unique college sports scene, where you had multiple states who all hated each other playing in one TV market. And I mean hate. I know people like to reference the teams in the Big 10 as having good rivalries, but Missourians and Kansans literally used to shoot each other and burn down each other's towns. Now? We're in a conference without that flavor. It's just southern dudes playing football. It doesn't have the passion, the history, or the centralization of one town.

Mizzou was on an uptick. This year hasn't been great, but Mizzou hasn't gotten stomped by anyone and things certainly have the capacity to get better next year. Now it's all being risked for reasons which really have nothing to do with sports.

Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Smack aside, what do you honestly see this doing for you? Does Ole Miss really have it so much better than Mizzou did?

Peter von Nostrand: I don't get how Mizzou thinks this will help their program. The novelty of getting throttled every year by Bama, Florida, et. al. will wear off before long. They'll get stuck being unable to recruit kids from traditional SEC states and the Texas/Oklahoma pipeline for recruiting will dry up. I sort of understand A&M leaving, they were tired of being overshadowed by Texas (even though they always think of themselves as a consistent big time program which they've never been and never will be now). A&M leaving had nothing to do with LHN and everything to do with petty jealousy

Assume every single thing you said there turns out to be true. It's STILL better than staying in a dying conference. The Big 12 is now reduced to 10 schools, half of which are utter shiat. What's the incentive for any other schools to join? What's the incentive for quality recruits to play there? And that's before you take into account the uncertainty that comes from the possibility of Oklahoma bolting, or Texas just saying 'fark it' and going indy in 6 years.

The Big 12 (minus 2) has no future. That's the bottom line here.

jayhawk88: Mentat: We revel in your hate.

Smack aside, what do you honestly see this doing for you? Does Ole Miss really have it so much better than Mizzou did?

Nah. We really don't have it any better now. Again... passion is gone.

Brisco: SEC-Missouri Football Series Histories

Alabama: Missouri Leads 2-1 (Last Meeting: 1978)
Arkansas: Missouri leads 3-2 (Last Meeting: 2008)
Auburn: Missouri Leads 1-0 (Last Meeting: 1973)
Florida: Missouri Leads 1-0 (Last Meeting: 1966)
Georgia: Missouri Trails 0-1 (Last Meeting: 1960)
Kentucky: Missouri Trails 1-2 (Last Meeting: 1968)
LSU: Missouri Leads 1-0 (Last Meeting: 1978)
Ole Miss: Missouri Leads 5-1 (Last Meeting: 2007)
Mississippi State: Missouri Leads 2-0 (Last Meeting: 1984)
South Carolina: Missouri Leads 2-0 (Last Meeting: 2005)
Tennessee: Never Met
Vanderbilt: Missouri Leads 2-1-1 (Last Meeting: 1958)
Missouri All-Time vs. the SEC: 20-8-1

Might as well post the score of gladiator matches... those dates are ancient.

I went to Mizzou in the early 90s. I even wasted good money on football tickets for the 92 season. I don't want to hear it, as they issued bags for our heads at the Faurot Field gates.

You realize that this means that Auburn and Florida fans will be showing up in Columbia, don't you? You don't know what evil is about to come your way.

TheGreatGazoo: I went to Mizzou in the early 90s. I even wasted good money on football tickets for the 92 season. I don't want to hear it, as they issued bags for our heads at the Faurot Field gates.

You realize that this means that Auburn and Florida fans will be showing up in Columbia, don't you? You don't know what evil is about to come your way.

Pinkel has made it watchable. Well, not only watchable, but likable.

If there's a hero in all of this, it's him. MU used to be no better than the rest of the Big XII North. He made the team good enough to be wanted by another major conference. I'm willing to cut him slack on this season for that reason.

schief2: Riothamus: This just sucks. We'll lose a great rivalry just so you can shoot yourselves in both feet AGAIN.

I certainly hope not...in fact, at the press conference announcing this today, the MU brass were pretty open and direct about wanting to continue to play KU. As a Mizzou fan I'll gladly trade a neutral-site win at Arrowhead for a probable neutral-site loss at the Sprint Center every year.

If anything stands in the way, it seems like it would be butthurt from the west side of State Line Road.

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Butthurt? Dude, this is like watching your archnemesis voluntarily sell himself into slavery. Words fail to convey just how flabbergasted we are by this whole thing.

And if you guys ever cared about the Big 12 at all, maybe you shouldn't have lifted your skirts to the Big 10 last year and kicked off this realignment mess. The conference is dying only because you fools tried to kill it.

And LOL at Mizzou offering to play us every year after dicking us over. Do you invite your crazy biatch ex-wife over to your house for Thanksgiving dinner because she's "open" to it? Like it or not, you just surrendered KC to us. There's literally no upside for Kansas to continue playing Mizzou in anything.

Soooo, nearly 1/4 of the SEC teams are now Tigers?

GAT_00: Riothamus: maybe you shouldn't have lifted your skirts to the Big 10 last year and kicked off this realignment mess.

Texas is responsible for this whole mess. Target your blame in the proper way. Don't be mad little Jayhawk that nobody wants your shiatty teams.

I don't buy that. So Texas forced a bunch of underachieving schools who always voted in favor of unequal revenue sharing to leave the conference? I'm pretty sure the Longhorn network was initially offered as a partnership with the Aggies, so that's kind of a non-starter. And Nebraska was just pissed that they couldn't beat Texas in any men's sport. Like ever.

Kansas isn't really mad at Texas because we routinely beat them on the court. Oklahoma regularly beats them on the field.

Missouri opened Pandora's Box by publicly begging for a Big 10 invite. They destabilized everything... right after we hired Turner farking Gill for a guaranteed $10+ million. Worst contract in the history of sports.

We're just bailing water out of the Big 12 and desperately looking for a liferaft.

Now I'm rambling, but this whole thing is a cruel joke. We won the Orange Bowl AND the National Championship my senior year. Why did we have to fire the Fat Man?

Part of this might hinge on this year (to see if more realignment happens). If Stanford and OK State win out, 3 undefeated teams again with one getting screwed (most likely, the Lucks). However, if both of them lose and Boise/LSU win out, then it comes down to either:
1) Boise vs. SEC (with everyone demanding that due to schedule Boise should not be allowed there)
2) LSU-Bama

If Boise makes the NC or gets horribly screwed (left out despite being the only undefeated or only non-SEC undefeated), then there will be more of a push towards a plus one or playoff which would reinvigorate the push towards 4 16-team conferences. I wrote that poorly so hopefully someone can make sense of it. It just takes one big school to shift for everything to unravel again.

Peter von Nostrand: Riothamus: GAT_00: Riothamus: maybe you shouldn't have lifted your skirts to the Big 10 last year and kicked off this realignment mess.

Texas is responsible for this whole mess. Target your blame in the proper way. Don't be mad little Jayhawk that nobody wants your shiatty teams.

I don't buy that. So Texas forced a bunch of underachieving schools who always voted in favor of unequal revenue sharing to leave the conference? I'm pretty sure the Longhorn network was initially offered as a partnership with the Aggies, so that's kind of a non-starter. And Nebraska was just pissed that they couldn't beat Texas in any men's sport. Like ever.

Kansas isn't really mad at Texas because we routinely beat them on the court. Oklahoma regularly beats them on the field.

Missouri opened Pandora's Box by publicly begging for a Big 10 invite. They destabilized everything... right after we hired Turner farking Gill for a guaranteed $10+ million. Worst contract in the history of sports.

We're just bailing water out of the Big 12 and desperately looking for a liferaft.

Now I'm rambling, but this whole thing is a cruel joke. We won the Orange Bowl AND the National Championship my senior year. Why did we have to fire the Fat Man?

Texas actually tried to start a B12 network and the rest of the conference balked at it. Then they tried to partner with A&M and they laughed. Then they went and said we're starting our own network and the rest of the B12 didn't care. Then it actually happens and they all shat their pants. Texas has been very aggressive and certainly is trying to increase their revenue as much as they can but I wouldn't say their completely at fault

It's quite telling that only the B12's biggest underachievers shat their pants and fled the conference. Mizzou, Colorado, A&M and Nebraska have combined for a grand total of 4 football championships and one basketball conference championship. All of these athletic departments have consistently done less with more for at least a decade.