Soooooooooooooooo... we don't need a wall after all?

And executing all felons would cut the crime rate. Doesn't make it a good thing to do.

a significant drop that indicates the Arizona illegal immigration law is working


No it doesn't. The economy is to blame. It is hard for them to find jobs too.

My guess is that the people who would have come to America to work have decided that they'd be better off in Mexico these days for a number of reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if Mexico is experiencing a wave of returnees from America right now. That probably includes those who had legalized their status but are made to feel unwelcome.

Who knows? Maybe Americans will start to follow them, and Mexico will decide to build an electrified fence to keep us out. Now THAT would be funny.

violentsalvation: a significant drop that indicates the Arizona illegal immigration law is working


No it doesn't. The economy is to blame. It is hard for them to find jobs too.

Not only that, but the objections to the law had nothing to do with its efficacy.

Heh. More research. Mexico had an unemployment rate of 4.9% as of the end of July this year, and in America it's more like 9.4%.

sheilanagig: Heh. More research. Mexico had an unemployment rate of 4.9% as of the end of July this year, and in America it's more like 9.4%.

Just more proof that Mexico is backwards compared to the US.

vygramul: sheilanagig: Heh. More research. Mexico had an unemployment rate of 4.9% as of the end of July this year, and in America it's more like 9.4%.

Just more proof that Mexico is backwards compared to the US.

I'm reading the constitution of Mexico now, and finding out more about their social policies. It's enlightening, in the sense that their laws seem to be more enlightened in some respects than ours. I like the fact that the president of their country has to go back to being a private citizen when their term is done. Some of them have even had to go into hiding if they were particularly bad. They don't get lifetime secret service protection.

Why does that prove the law is working?

Cutting off one's nose does spite one's face. Doesn't make it a good idea.

Article is a solid block of rationalized derp.

"Ladies and gentlemen, know that you are engaged in a historic enterprise here," Bersin told the agents. The drop in arrests, he said, shows that illegal immigrants "are not coming through here anymore, and when they do, they are getting apprehended."

I'm catching fewer fish than ever, so I must be catching all of them!

One advantage of having a stupid government is that they don't waste a lot of time thinking things through.

vygramul: sheilanagig: Heh. More research. Mexico had an unemployment rate of 4.9% as of the end of July this year, and in America it's more like 9.4%.

Just more proof that Mexico is backwards compared to the US.

ROFL
you are my hero

So, in theory if they just stop arresting people period then the problem magically goes away. See, fixed it. All better

Yeah!!!! The RECESSION is working

FTA:

The Obama administration has deployed National Guard troops and has been adding new fencing, technology and agents along the border to make it more difficult to cross illegally. They also have been beefing up immigration enforcement. In fiscal 2011, deportations were at an all-time high.

It's the actions of the Obama administration that have resulted in less illegal immigrants crossing the border, not Arizona's law that subjects some U.S. citizens to harassment simply because they're brown-skinned.

That makes no goddamned sense.

Arrests are down. And? *headdesk*

Lorelle: FTA:

"The Obama administration has deployed National Guard troops and has been adding new fencing, technology and agents along the border to make it more difficult to cross illegally. They also have been beefing up immigration enforcement. In fiscal 2011, deportations were at an all-time high".

It's the actions of the Obama administration that have resulted in less illegal immigrants crossing the border, not Arizona's law that subjects some U.S. citizens to harassment simply because they're brown-skinned.

Thanks, Lorelle! I was wondering if anyone bothered to read the article.

/Another success by the Obama Administration!
//Eat it, Rick Perry!

Lorelle: FTA:

The Obama administration has deployed National Guard troops and has been adding new fencing, technology and agents along the border to make it more difficult to cross illegally. They also have been beefing up immigration enforcement. In fiscal 2011, deportations were at an all-time high.

It's the actions of the Obama administration that have resulted in less illegal immigrants crossing the border, not Arizona's law that subjects some U.S. citizens to harassment simply because they're brown-skinned.

The good part of the AZ law is the part that gets employers fined and possibly jailed if they knowingly employ illegals.

nobody said it wouldn't work. that's not the point.

the problem is, it makes reasonable suspicion for being illegal things like: having brown skin, having an accent, speaking spanish, and having a last name like garcia.

most people aren't opposed to cracking down on illegal immigration. it is, after all, illegal. the problem is, SB1070 will affect american citizens who happen to have brown skin, etc.

you see, derpmitter - THERE ARE ACTUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS WITH BROWN SKIN AND LAST NAMES LIKE 'GARCIA' AND 'JIMENEZ.'

skinnycatullus: And executing all felons would cut the crime rate. Doesn't make it a good thing to do.

I suppose that depends on your perspective. Violent multiple-offender felons, I have no trouble with summary execution.

Winters coming on and their are less fruits to pick. duh...

they are back in Mexico spending money on fat hooker, cockfights, and nachos.

What most people do not realize is that brown people are usually their own worst enemy.

1. A nice Mexican fellow called a "coyote" took their life savings to pack them up into a truck and smuggle them in. Or at least put them towards a hole in the fence.
2. Then they get to the promised land, they meet a hispanic person is is a legal citizen, who hires them under the table for a below average wage, and who treats them like indentured serfs while renting them space to live in a single wide with a hole in the roof.
3. They shop at out of the way tiendas to keep on the DL and are charged exorbitant prices for their goods since they are too scared to walmart.

All for 40 tortillas and an old pick up truck.

"In other news, arrests of illegal immigrants in New Mexico and California skyrocketed by 195% in the last six months, despite heavy policing. Officials are at a loss to explain this mysterious leap in arrests."

Just kidding, but that would be funny.

sheilanagig: vygramul: sheilanagig: Heh. More research. Mexico had an unemployment rate of 4.9% as of the end of July this year, and in America it's more like 9.4%.

Just more proof that Mexico is backwards compared to the US.

I'm reading the constitution of Mexico now, and finding out more about their social policies. It's enlightening, in the sense that their laws seem to be more enlightened in some respects than ours. I like the fact that the president of their country has to go back to being a private citizen when their term is done. Some of them have even had to go into hiding if they were particularly bad. They don't get lifetime secret service protection.

A completely worthless judiciary makes that all worth a large pile of shait. Precedent doesn't exist. Lower courts aren't bound by higher rulings, and courts aren't bound by prior ones. That enables corruption and doesn't exactly foster a rule of law that can ever be constantly enforced.

Their laws aren't worth the paper they're printed on. No matter how good the protections are on paper (and I'm not sure everything you've mentioned is really good- Presidents not getting protection when they might actually have to fear for their lives is one I'm not too crazy about), if they're not actually enforced, big whoop. The soviet constitution was the same way. You have to actually build the institution, you can't just toss it on paper and hope it sticks.

Brainwash: I don't care if they work here, but make them pay farking taxes so they don't have an unfair competitive advantage over Americans that need work.

They do, and they don't get nearly as much back out of the system as American citizens do.

Do you ever bother to check if this stuff you're regurgitating is an outright lie or not?

fusillade762: theflatline: Winters coming on and their are less fruits to pick. duh...

Does Arizona even grow anything besides cactus and bigots?

Arizonas climate allows them to grow all kinda fruits and veggies year round.

I say we eat the mexicans as they are range fed cattle, sure the meat will be a bit stringy, but ultimately lower in fat.

fusillade762: theflatline: Winters coming on and their are less fruits to pick. duh...

Does Arizona even grow anything besides cactus and bigots?

• Arizona grows enough cotton each year to make more than one pair of jeans for every person in
the United States.
• The top agricultural crop exports are vegetables, hay, cotton, and cottonseed.
• Arizona ranks 2nd nationally in it's production of cantaloupe & honeydew melons, head & leaf
lettuce, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower and lemons.
• Arizona alfalfa yield led the nation at 8.3 tons per acre, compared to 3.4 tons nationally.
• Cattle & calves and dairy goods are Arizona's most valuable farm products, with cattle & calves
representing 18% of total farm receipts and dairy products 20%.
• There are approximately 1 million head of cattle & calves producing 386 million pounds of beef
annually.
• There are 186,000 milk cows in the state with a yearly milk production of 23,382 pounds per cow.
• Arizona has over 165,000 hogs, and 150,000 head of sheep and lambs.
• The state has, on average, 1,600,000 laying hens which produce over 5.8 billion eggs a year.

• The state has the largest contiguous stand of Ponderosa pine forest in the world.

Link (PDF)

Lots of orchards too. Pecans and pistachios.