It goes to show that at some level the government is still untouchable. FOIA isn't going to get the evidence into the open. Suing the government won't come to anything.

As far as the government is concerned, this is one government secret that is above top secret.

Those of us associated with MUFON with our brains still grounded in reality have come to grips that unless the aliens come and make their presence known in a spectacular manner, that there is little chance of the government acknowledging what they know. Unfortunately that is unlikely because the aliens work closely with the militaries of various world powers and both aliens and governments have reasons to keep this contact well hidden.

No pot, no aliens, no online poker. Obama: WTF is this guy's problem?

Obama doesn't care about grey or little green people

AverageAmericanGuy: It goes to show that at some level the government is still untouchable. FOIA isn't going to get the evidence into the open. Suing the government won't come to anything.

As far as the government is concerned, this is one government secret that is above top secret.

Those of us associated with MUFON with our brains still grounded in reality have come to grips that unless the aliens come and make their presence known in a spectacular manner, that there is little chance of the government acknowledging what they know. Unfortunately that is unlikely because the aliens work closely with the militaries of various world powers and both aliens and governments have reasons to keep this contact well hidden.

The saddest part of this post is that someone out there actually believes this, even if it's not you.

Mugato: I don't believe there's an alien coverup. Not that I don't believe there aren't aliens somewhere, the universe is too big for there not to be. But it's a big logical leap to believe that any of them have the ability or inclination to visit us. It's an even bigger logical leap to believe that the government is capable of covering it up all this time.

People point to the secrecy of Area 51, like Areas 1-50 greet you with punch and pie and encourage flash photography.

Mmmmm. Pie.

They're afraid of exposing Obama for the Kenyan Alien he is.

It's not the aliens, then who's doing all the anal probing??

Space is too big. Its too hard to cross the vast distances. It seems the speed of light is a true barrier that cannot be crossed. We have not been visited by aliens, they did not build the pyramids. The 'Gods' built the pyramids.

AverageAmericanGuy: Those of us associated with MUFON with our brains still grounded in reality have come to grips that unless the aliens come and make their presence known in a spectacular manner, that there is little chance of the government acknowledging what they know.

Those of us in the real world realize unless the aliens come and make their presence known in a spectacular manner, that there is little chance that all the lights or other phenomena are actually alien life forms.
The distances are too great. Sci Fi is great stuff, but we're stuck and isolated on this mud ball, learn to live with it.

Mugato: "Opinion polls now indicate more than 50 percent of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence and more than 80 percent believe the government is not telling the truth about this phenomenon.

"But there's only a 50% chance of that."

It is technically accurate though. With all the stars in the galaxy and it seeming ever more likely that planets are far more common than previously thought... life could exist on one of them.

And technically correct is the best kind of correctness.

Clash City Farker: Space is too big. Its too hard to cross the vast distances. It seems the speed of light is a true barrier that cannot be crossed. We have not been visited by aliens, they did not build the pyramids. The 'Gods' built the pyramids.

wormholes seem the easiest way for advanced civilizations to travel around the universe. you really need to stop thinking the above would stop other aliens from visiting.

n00bieman: wormholes seem the easiest way for advanced civilizations to travel around the universe. you really need to stop thinking the above would stop other aliens from visiting.

Is this what all the anal probing is for? The greys are opening return 'wormholes'?

plausible deniability...

If the government came out and said we were being visited by aliens, what could they possibly say?

Can you imagine this press conference:

Reporter: Who are they?
White House Press Secretary: I dunno.

Reporter: Where are they from?
White House Press Secretary: Beats the shiat out of me.

Reporter: Are they hostile?
White House Press Secretary: We have no idea.

Reporter: What are their intentions?
White House Press Secretary: We have no way to know that.

Reporter: How long have they been here?
White House Press Secretary: Don't know

Reporter: Why are they here?
White House Press Secretary: (shrug)

What would be the point? They'd freak people out and have no answers.

stole that from somebody a few days ago

Clash City Farker: Space is too big. Its too hard to cross the vast distances. It seems the speed of light is a true barrier that cannot be crossed. We have not been visited by aliens, they did not build the pyramids. The 'Gods' built the pyramids.

That's a pretty narrow view. We probably don't know a billionth of what goes on in the universe and your point is founded on the belief you know everything there is to know about it. As someone mentioned, worm holes, curved space, etc - millions of things. Some we know, most we don't. I believe there are 11 known dimensions - most of what we are not capable of observing due to our limitations.

You're in good company though - tons of people think they have all the answers. Many reject the concept of God because they just think it's not possible. I'm not saying it is or isn't. But to reject the concept on the basis of what you think you know seems arrogant to me.

I believe the universe is infinite in terms of size and time. We can't wrap our brains around that because we've been taught since the day we were born that everything starts and stops. So, our brains have been "soft wired" with limits. Your limits are more narrow - you should try expanding them - it might be fun.

AverageAmericanGuy: It goes to show that at some level the government is still untouchable. FOIA isn't going to get the evidence into the open. Suing the government won't come to anything.

As far as the government is concerned, this is one government secret that is above top secret.

Those of us associated with MUFON with our brains still grounded in reality have come to grips that unless the aliens come and make their presence known in a spectacular manner, that there is little chance of the government acknowledging what they know. Unfortunately that is unlikely because the aliens work closely with the militaries of various world powers and both aliens and governments have reasons to keep this contact well hidden.

Ok, so why would a species capable of interstellar travel deal with humanity on anything remotely resembling an equal footing? We're an ignorant, violent, superstitious bunch of hairless apes. If they wanted to deal with us at all, it'd more likely be along the lines of that really awful John Travolta movie.

/No, not the ones with the talking babies, the other one.

If the Gov admitted to alien visitations, it would prove the Bible is a lie, and Bevets would asplode. Along with Michelle Bachman.

Yea!

White House denying aliens? Must be aliens.

Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.

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Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.
I watched a few clips online, he's just bat-Shiat insane...

Aliens would have about as much interest in visiting us as we would have interest visiting the bacteria in our intestines.

If they have the technology to get to our planet, especially without being detected at all, then why would the care about us? They would probably just say "another water covered rock" and move on.

Some people say that if they did come it would be to gather resources....but again, what kind of resource do we have on this planet that is unique to this planet (or rare in the universe at all) that would be beneficial to such a technologically advanced race?

Sorry guys, if aliens ever come...they won't care about us at all and will move on.

InfamousBLT: Aliens would have about as much interest in visiting us as we would have interest visiting the bacteria in our intestines.

If they have the technology to get to our planet, especially without being detected at all, then why would the care about us? They would probably just say "another water covered rock" and move on.

Some people say that if they did come it would be to gather resources....but again, what kind of resource do we have on this planet that is unique to this planet (or rare in the universe at all) that would be beneficial to such a technologically advanced race?

Sorry guys, if aliens ever come...they won't care about us at all and will move on.

if we went to another planet that was more underdeveloped than us, we'd invade it for its resources, whatever they are.

links136: InfamousBLT: Aliens would have about as much interest in visiting us as we would have interest visiting the bacteria in our intestines.

If they have the technology to get to our planet, especially without being detected at all, then why would the care about us? They would probably just say "another water covered rock" and move on.

Some people say that if they did come it would be to gather resources....but again, what kind of resource do we have on this planet that is unique to this planet (or rare in the universe at all) that would be beneficial to such a technologically advanced race?

Sorry guys, if aliens ever come...they won't care about us at all and will move on.

if we went to another planet that was more underdeveloped than us, we'd invade it for its resources, whatever they are.

If we had the kind of technology to get to such a planet....no, no we wouldn't. We'd have no need to. What could another planet possibly offer us that the rest of the known universe could not? What difference is one planet compared to another?
Plus we'll still have groups like PETA biatching about us squashing underdeveloped races or someshiat so whoever is out there would just move on to the next planet.

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Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.

No need to 'hunt it down', my friend. This guy is on History Channel's prime time show 'Ancient Aliens', and he's straight up, Bug-fark crazy.

Edwardo17: Zombalupagus: [img710.imageshack.us image 276x242]

Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.

No need to 'hunt it down', my friend. This guy is on History Channel's prime time show 'Ancient Aliens', and he's straight up, Bug-fark crazy.

His nuttiness is part of the charm of the show. I like the show because once in a while I learn something from it that I use as a jumping off point for my random googling habit, like about the existence of some ancient civilization in Central Wherethehellever that I've never heard of, or that NASA's Stardust probe found glycine in the tail of the Wild-2 comet. But I think my favourite part of the show is listening to the narrator and wondering how many takes they had to do before he could say some of that stuff without bursting out laughing.

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Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.

No need to 'hunt it down', my friend. This guy is on History Channel's prime time show 'Ancient Aliens', and he's straight up, Bug-fark crazy.

what is his name? I checked wiki and the show's site...

links136: InfamousBLT: Aliens would have about as much interest in visiting us as we would have interest visiting the bacteria in our intestines.

If they have the technology to get to our planet, especially without being detected at all, then why would the care about us? They would probably just say "another water covered rock" and move on.

Some people say that if they did come it would be to gather resources....but again, what kind of resource do we have on this planet that is unique to this planet (or rare in the universe at all) that would be beneficial to such a technologically advanced race?

Sorry guys, if aliens ever come...they won't care about us at all and will move on.

if we went to another planet that was more underdeveloped than us, we'd invade it for its resources, whatever they are.

It would be easier to just mine an asteroid for whatever resource we wanted. It would be closer, cheaper and we wouldn't have to wipe out the local population. Unless we wanted slave labor or to eat them, that is.

She comes in colors everywhere: Edwardo17: Zombalupagus: [img710.imageshack.us image 276x242]

Ya know now I am going to have to hunt down the show this came from. This guy just looks SOOO stoned I just can't wait to hear how he sounds and what he says. Funny how much stuff I end up watching due to finding out about it on Fark.

No need to 'hunt it down', my friend. This guy is on History Channel's prime time show 'Ancient Aliens', and he's straight up, Bug-fark crazy.

what is his name? I checked wiki and the show's site...

Georgio Tsoukalos. I first heard this guy on the Joe Rogan podcast. If you excuse the bat-shiat crazy hair, he's a pretty interesting guy.

in case any of you want to look at why they used the term 'disclosure' in the petition
this (new window)

I know with absolute certainty that as of the late 1980's the U. S. Government did not believe that Extra-Terrestrial technology had ever visited this planet.

And you can prove that for yourself, just by asking the question of what the Government would be doing if it DID believe that.

Even if it wanted to keep that information secret, it would find plausible ways to spend MUCH MORE MONEY on scientific programs to tell us about things beyond Earth. It would need to spend money beyond the defense establishment in order to verify context of its military intelligence-- things like, "what is the interstellar environment?", "How many planetary systems develop around which types of stars?".

Programs that expanded useful background knowledge to allow the military to asses the likelihood of unknown interstellar threat could be easily boosted with plausible deniability. Even if you have captive aliens in Area 51 giving you intelligence, you need to be able to determine those alien's reliability and also to learn about potential alien threats that YOUR aliens don't know about.

Edwardo17: No need to 'hunt it down', my friend. This guy is on History Channel's prime time show 'Ancient Aliens', and he's straight up, Bug-fark crazy.

Yes millions of people talk about him and watch his clips and some thousands buy his books because he acts insane on TV. You are talking about him on FARK. He is selling his presentations.

And HE'S the one who is crazy.

Wormholes? Really? They are just a theory at this point. Lets try and keep the discussion to what sciense thinks it knows. That is that the universe is still expanding, which implies that it is finite. It has a beginning and an end, even though we may be positioned in such a way that we cannot see either side and perhaps never will because it is expanding pretty fast.