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2011-11-05 06:24:29 PM
"School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?
 
2011-11-05 07:12:20 PM
Question for the teacher: Did the children's parents know about it and permit them to participate?

No?

Then don't use them to further your political agenda, farkwad. Not everyone shares your views and it is self-centered and foolish to assume that they do.
 
2011-11-05 07:19:09 PM

jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?


No, but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible, especially when it comes to students. Most of the time, school employees aren't allowed to do anything political on the grounds or use the school's resources (internet, e-mail, phones) to do it. Would you also approve of a conservative teacher taking students to protest outside an abortion clinic or union hall?
 
2011-11-05 07:22:45 PM

ArkAngel: jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?

No, but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible, especially when it comes to students. Most of the time, school employees aren't allowed to do anything political on the grounds or use the school's resources (internet, e-mail, phones) to do it. Would you also approve of a conservative teacher taking students to protest outside an abortion clinic or union hall?


B, b, but... We LIKE unions and dead babies!
 
2011-11-05 07:29:10 PM
4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin
 
2011-11-05 07:34:11 PM

jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?


No, but I bet in Robin Vos's book, it's okay for all the home schooled kids to stand on street corners and protest abortion holding up graphic pictures with their Fundavangelical parents.

GOP=It's okay when we do it.
 
2011-11-05 07:42:30 PM

GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin


Oh bullshiat. Glenn Beck has a farking kid's show for Christ's sake. O'Reilly,Huckabee and others have put out kids books, cartoons and other media directed at indoctrinating kids.
This teacher only took them to the capitol to observe the protests. To demonstrate how dissent works in a Democracy. If they'd wanted to teach them to hate they'd have them watch Fox News or Listen to Limbaugh. Or maybe show them how American for Prosperity conventioneers plow through two groups of protesters with their cars. How many times have the GOP pushed for their agenda to be taught in schools? Prayer, abstinence only,creationism, rewriting textbooks to make their racism and history look better. etc..

Get the log out of your own eye before becoming concerned about a mote in someone elses.
 
2011-11-05 07:42:37 PM
there are two possible scenarios here:
1: Teacher knew about the sing along and actively encouraged them to join

2. Students were on a field trip to tour the capitol and heard/saw the singers singing "this land is your land" and joined in, teacher stood back and said "meh"

My guess with the school districts reaction is that it was 2 and the video of the children shown on fox just shows the singing part. Also, Politicians can do press junkets and photo-ops with school children around and as backdrops, but not teachers who you know unlike Vos are not working with THE DEVIL, BETSY PRINCE DEVOS (new window), to undermine education in the country, if that last name of Prince sticks out it is because her brother is the founder of blackwater. So it's not "ZOMG you might shape these children politically!!" its " ZOMG you might shape them politically against me!"
 
2011-11-05 07:44:16 PM

msannomalley: jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?

No, but I bet in Robin Vos's book, it's okay for all the home schooled kids to stand on street corners and protest abortion holding up graphic pictures with their Fundavangelical parents.

GOP=It's okay when we do it.


Democrats are welcome to home school their children and take them to wacky protests too.
 
2011-11-05 07:47:07 PM

ArkAngel: jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?

No, but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible, especially when it comes to students. Most of the time, school employees aren't allowed to do anything political on the grounds or use the school's resources (internet, e-mail, phones) to do it. Would you also approve of a conservative teacher taking students to protest outside an abortion clinic or union hall?


yes I would have no problem with that. because I'm not afraid of them experiencing reality. I personally think it would be a great civics lesson. As long as both sides of the argument were presented. Although abortion might be a little too mature for grade school kids. The union protests would be fine though.
 
2011-11-05 07:50:11 PM
Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.
 
2011-11-05 07:54:22 PM

zedster: 2. Students were on a field trip to tour the capitol and heard/saw the singers singing "this land is your land" and joined in, teacher stood back and said "meh"


This is what I thought when I read that. Kids hear singing and join in.
 
2011-11-05 07:58:51 PM

Hobodeluxe: ArkAngel: jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?

No, but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible, especially when it comes to students. Most of the time, school employees aren't allowed to do anything political on the grounds or use the school's resources (internet, e-mail, phones) to do it. Would you also approve of a conservative teacher taking students to protest outside an abortion clinic or union hall?

yes I would have no problem with that. because I'm not afraid of them experiencing reality. I personally think it would be a great civics lesson. As long as both sides of the argument were presented. Although abortion might be a little too mature for grade school kids. The union protests would be fine though.


The problem is deciding which protests to attend and seeing that all sides have their say. Who is to say where we stop? Better to not allow it at all
 
2011-11-05 08:01:28 PM

GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin


The day every religion run school is abolished, then we can start worrying about a teacher who let his students participate in a protest sing-a-long.
 
2011-11-05 08:02:17 PM

ArkAngel: Hobodeluxe: ArkAngel: jake3_14: "School children should not be a part of any political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.

WTF not? Will they catch teh ghey from participating in democracy?

No, but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible, especially when it comes to students. Most of the time, school employees aren't allowed to do anything political on the grounds or use the school's resources (internet, e-mail, phones) to do it. Would you also approve of a conservative teacher taking students to protest outside an abortion clinic or union hall?

yes I would have no problem with that. because I'm not afraid of them experiencing reality. I personally think it would be a great civics lesson. As long as both sides of the argument were presented. Although abortion might be a little too mature for grade school kids. The union protests would be fine though.

The problem is deciding which protests to attend and seeing that all sides have their say. Who is to say where we stop? Better to not allow it at all


yes let's insulate them and shelter them from the world. let's home school them and keep them in our tight circle of approved people who think like we do. Heaven forbid they ever find out that other people don't believe like we do.
 
2011-11-05 08:03:56 PM

Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.


Why were they there in the first place? I guarantee you the school/chaperones knew that there were going to be protests. Why didn't they reschedule or at least try to keep the kids away from the center of the storm? They're fourth-graders! With emotions running as high as they were it was totally irresponsible to have those kids anywhere near the capitol.

/If it were my kids on that trip, I would not be the least bit pleased.
 
2011-11-05 08:11:29 PM

PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

Why were they there in the first place? I guarantee you the school/chaperones knew that there were going to be protests. Why didn't they reschedule or at least try to keep the kids away from the center of the storm? They're fourth-graders! With emotions running as high as they were it was totally irresponsible to have those kids anywhere near the capitol.

/If it were my kids on that trip, I would not be the least bit pleased.


Really? You're that parent?
 
2011-11-05 08:12:24 PM

Hobodeluxe: PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

Why were they there in the first place? I guarantee you the school/chaperones knew that there were going to be protests. Why didn't they reschedule or at least try to keep the kids away from the center of the storm? They're fourth-graders! With emotions running as high as they were it was totally irresponsible to have those kids anywhere near the capitol.

/If it were my kids on that trip, I would not be the least bit pleased.

Really? You're that parent?


Yes. I am.
 
2011-11-05 08:16:30 PM

Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.


FTA: ...protesters with a group called the "solidarity singers" belted out a modified version of "This Land Is Your Land."

It probably depends on how it was modified.
 
2011-11-05 08:16:44 PM

PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

Why were they there in the first place? I guarantee you the school/chaperones knew that there were going to be protests. Why didn't they reschedule or at least try to keep the kids away from the center of the storm? They're fourth-graders! With emotions running as high as they were it was totally irresponsible to have those kids anywhere near the capitol.

/If it were my kids on that trip, I would not be the least bit pleased.

Really? You're that parent?

Yes. I am.


So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?
 
2011-11-05 08:20:36 PM

Snarfangel: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

FTA: ...protesters with a group called the "solidarity singers" belted out a modified version of "This Land Is Your Land."

It probably depends on how it was modified.


I'm sure it was something really bad. Like negative towards the Governor. Or the Koch bros. How dare they speak ill of the holy ones.
 
2011-11-05 08:21:10 PM

Snarfangel: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

FTA: ...protesters with a group called the "solidarity singers" belted out a modified version of "This Land Is Your Land."

It probably depends on how it was modified.


Probably added a spoiler. Maybe a nitrous system or one of those mufflers that makes the car louder.
 
2011-11-05 08:42:22 PM

ArkAngel: but schools are supposed to be as apolitical as possible


Except when you're bashing teachers for political gain, am I right?
 
2011-11-05 08:42:48 PM

Shostie: Snarfangel: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

FTA: ...protesters with a group called the "solidarity singers" belted out a modified version of "This Land Is Your Land."

It probably depends on how it was modified.

Probably added a spoiler. Maybe a nitrous system or one of those mufflers that makes the car louder.



" As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,
That side was made for you and me"
" Nobody living can ever stop me,
As I go walking that freedom highway;
Nobody living can ever make me turn back
This land was made for you and me.

In the squares of the city, In the shadow of a steeple;
By the relief office, I'd seen my people.
As they stood there hungry, I stood there asking,
Is this land made for you and me? "
-- Woody Guthrie
 
2011-11-05 08:51:29 PM
This land is my land. And my land only. I've got a shotgun. And you don't got one. I'll blow your head off. If you don't get off. This land is private property.

I think I learned that from classmates around the 4th grade. Took me a while to remember it.
 
2011-11-05 09:39:30 PM

Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.


When I sung it in grade school, the last verse didn't include the line, "Scott Walker will never push us out, this house was made for you and me."

It's by no means the most egregious example of partisanship by a teacher, but he should have been a little smarter than to let the kids in his care participate in what was obviously a protest.
 
2011-11-05 09:43:38 PM

BravadoGT: he should have been a little smarter than to let the kids in his care participate in what was obviously a protest.


And had he actively prevented the children from participating in a right wing-centric protest, would you continue to hold that position?
 
2011-11-05 09:55:04 PM
I think that the problem is that it creates the impression that the teacher is imbuing the students with a certain political point of view. If it were my kid, I would likely tell someone in the school that I don't approve of this and that there are other ways of teaching kids about participating in democracy.

If you support the teacher doing this then you might want to think about if you would be just as supportive if it were a tea party rally they were at instead. Although I guess the protest signs at a tea party rally would be a useful learning tool if you're studying logical fallacies.
 
2011-11-05 09:55:58 PM
Shut up and accept Republicans without asking questions kids. Better you learn that lesson now.


/yes. sarcasm.
 
2011-11-05 09:56:37 PM

Occam's Chainsaw: BravadoGT: he should have been a little smarter than to let the kids in his care participate in what was obviously a protest.

And had he actively prevented the children from participating in a right wing-centric protest, would you continue to hold that position?


Absolutely, 1000%. Teachers should not even give the appearance of advocating for one political position or another--even when it's a right-wing position and therefore correct :)
 
2011-11-05 10:00:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?"


As zedster implies, it depends how much of the song is being included. Did your school ever go past the third verse?
 
2011-11-05 10:03:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?


Ever hear about a little protest in Oakland recently?
 
2011-11-05 10:06:50 PM

jaylectricity: Hobodeluxe: So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?

Ever hear about a little protest in Oakland recently?


Allowing them to witness it is one thing, allowing them to participate is something else entirely.
 
2011-11-05 10:07:13 PM

GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.


Showing kids the First Amendment in action is brainwashing? You just went full retard. Again.

Why do I get the feeling you'd be OK if the teacher took them to a shooting range?
 
2011-11-05 10:08:11 PM

BravadoGT: Allowing them to witness it is one thing, allowing them to participate is something else entirely.


Either way, what if violence broke out? How fast can you round up a classroom full of 10 year olds and get them to the bus?
 
2011-11-05 10:10:43 PM

jaylectricity: Hobodeluxe: So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?

Ever hear about a little protest in Oakland recently?


The Capitol Singers have been a fixture in Madison since the WiUnion protests, thus pre-date the occupy movement. The occupy movement arose from a global movement thats goal was to occupy a public square ala Tarir or Madison simply to remind governments that the people are watching, events occurred in NYC, Barcelona and Cairo. The reason the Wall St. one took off was that for the first day or two the police outnumbered the protesters, enabling the story line that the powers that be were scared of the people. If Bloomberg didn't have his head up his own ass and had left them alone with just a few cops passing by to check in OWS would have fizzled. So the protest in Oakland may have an antecedent in Madison but Madison and the singers are not responding to OWS or related to Oakland.

/insert the more you know music and graphic here
 
2011-11-05 10:11:51 PM

GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin


Not all of us repeated the 4th grade 7 times like you apparently did.
 
2011-11-05 10:13:18 PM

zedster: jaylectricity: Hobodeluxe: So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?

Ever hear about a little protest in Oakland recently?

The Capitol Singers have been a fixture in Madison since the WiUnion protests, thus pre-date the occupy movement. The occupy movement arose from a global movement thats goal was to occupy a public square ala Tarir or Madison simply to remind governments that the people are watching, events occurred in NYC, Barcelona and Cairo. The reason the Wall St. one took off was that for the first day or two the police outnumbered the protesters, enabling the story line that the powers that be were scared of the people. If Bloomberg didn't have his head up his own ass and had left them alone with just a few cops passing by to check in OWS would have fizzled. So the protest in Oakland may have an antecedent in Madison but Madison and the singers are not responding to OWS or related to Oakland.

/insert the more you know music and graphic here



If not OWS, some other populist movement would have cropped up as the anti-teaparty.
 
2011-11-05 10:14:18 PM

jaylectricity: BravadoGT: Allowing them to witness it is one thing, allowing them to participate is something else entirely.

Either way, what if violence broke out? How fast can you round up a classroom full of 10 year olds and get them to the bus?


I didn't get any impression that these protestors were violent and out of control. Kids take field trips to government buildings all the time, and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that there's a protest of some kind or another going on.
 
2011-11-05 10:15:06 PM

Unright: GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin

Not all of us repeated the 4th grade 7 times like you apparently did.


True, you probably never made it to 4th grade. A perfect Democratic voter
 
2011-11-05 10:16:19 PM
The wording is strange. Did he make them participate, or did he allow them to if they chose to? If it's the former, yeah, he's a douche. If it's the latter, who cares?
 
2011-11-05 10:16:20 PM

Unright: GaryPDX: 4th grade? They should fire his ass and bar him from teaching brainwashing children ever again. Ten year old's don't have any idea what's going on, they're being programmed to hate.

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever. - Vladimir Lenin

Not all of us repeated the 4th grade 7 times like you apparently did.


And the sad part was he was home schooled.
 
2011-11-05 10:17:57 PM

Hobodeluxe: PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: PainInTheASP: Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.

Why were they there in the first place? I guarantee you the school/chaperones knew that there were going to be protests. Why didn't they reschedule or at least try to keep the kids away from the center of the storm? They're fourth-graders! With emotions running as high as they were it was totally irresponsible to have those kids anywhere near the capitol.

/If it were my kids on that trip, I would not be the least bit pleased.

Really? You're that parent?

Yes. I am.

So what exactly would you disapprove of a 10-11 yrs old being subjected to in this instance? The people's disapproval of their government? What exactly do you think they were subjected to that you disapprove of ?


Harm. Physical harm. Whether intentional or not, the threat exists--significantly moreso than on any other day. I'm not trying to shelter my children from reality, I'm trying to protect them from some twisted wingnut that doesn't know what "peaceful demonstration" means.
 
2011-11-05 10:18:18 PM

NobleHam: The wording is strange. Did he make them participate, or did he allow them to if they chose to? If it's the former, yeah, he's a douche. If it's the latter, who cares?


This. Much like the whole voluntary prayer thing, I really don't care either.
 
2011-11-05 10:18:27 PM

jaylectricity: BravadoGT: Allowing them to witness it is one thing, allowing them to participate is something else entirely.

Either way, what if violence broke out? How fast can you round up a classroom full of 10 year olds and get them to the bus?


That's a difficult task under even optimum conditions.
 
2011-11-05 10:20:16 PM

DarnoKonrad: If not OWS, some other populist movement would have cropped up as the anti-teaparty.


that wasn't what was at question here, he was trolling, but he associated OWS with the capitol singers and I explained why that is not the case. There is a great deal of overlap and the ground work for OWS was in many ways laid in Madison but the singers just use their first amendment rights to sing a few songs every afternoon to piss off republicans (a lot of union hymns) while OWS is protesting banks and those they see as crashing the economy. One is a very targeted use the 1st amendment to piss off Scott Walker, the other is a loose group of anti-lemon socialism protesters
 
2011-11-05 10:21:02 PM
"School children should not be a part of any anti-republican political protest," fellow GOP Rep. Robin Vos said.


There, since you didn't have the balls to say what you meant, I FIFY
 
2011-11-05 10:26:39 PM

Hobodeluxe: Do conservatives really have a problem with the song "this land is your land?" Jesus you guys are farking stone-cold ,boot-licking fascists. We sang that song in grade school. Back during the height of the cold war in the early 60's.


Well, it is a socialist song...
However, those verses are usually omitted to make it seem quaintly patriotic.
 
2011-11-05 10:27:14 PM
Damn kids, going to protests and raising hell while I'm stuck working. Enjoy your sing-along kids, enjoy it because one day, when you're old and bitter and up to your eyeballs in soul sucking paperwork dealing with imaginary critical problems, you'll realize that...you're just too damn tired to raise hell anymore. And on that day kids, you'll suck it up, drive your shiatty commute home to your "picturesque" suburban neighborhood, and go to bed before midnight so that you can get up and do it all again tomorrow.

That's being an adult, kids. And you'll wonder why you were ever in a hurry to grow up and understand the events around you.
 
2011-11-05 10:27:48 PM

PainInTheASP: Question for the teacher: Did the children's parents know about it and permit them to participate?

No?

Then don't use them to further your political agenda, farkwad. Not everyone shares your views and it is self-centered and foolish to assume that they do.


Cool then lets not use children to further the religious agenda of forced worship.
 
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