Some Bass Playing Guy: Shocking that candy assed NASCAR actually had the stones to do the right thing. It's just too bad KB isn't in contention for the Cup title and had his shot ruined like he ruined Hornaday's.

It's tough for me because I'm a Harvick fan and when they parked him for the weekend in 2002 I was screaming "it was in the TRUCK race not the CUP race!!".

So I don't want to be a hypocrit...but it's Kyle Busch so I don't care. Glad they parked him too!!!

Holy heck! Watching Nascar news now and I'm speechless. First time I've seen a Chase contender grounded to his room for childish behavior. It's about time!

cameroncrazy1984: According to TFA he was parked for the truck race, not the weekend.

Press Conference this morning, NASCAR said that he has been parked for the weekend.

Nuno311: Some Bass Playing Guy: Shocking that candy assed NASCAR actually had the stones to do the right thing. It's just too bad KB isn't in contention for the Cup title and had his shot ruined like he ruined Hornaday's.

It's tough for me because I'm a Harvick fan and when they parked him for the weekend in 2002 I was screaming "it was in the TRUCK race not the CUP race!!".

So I don't want to be a hypocrit...but it's Kyle Busch so I don't care. Glad they parked him too!!!

Whats hypocritical is that last year, KB was "disappointed" with David Reuittaman for taking out someone who was in contention for a championship. He said that his team had worked really hard to get in position to win a championship.

I am a KH fan as well...All smiles today.

cameroncrazy1984: According to TFA he was parked for the truck race, not the weekend.

Nope, he is out for the weekend. Michael McDowell is driving the 18 for Cup, Denny Hamlin for NW.

I am at the hospital with my mother...can someone post a link to what happened last night, please...I need a distraction and would be quite appreciative.

KB needs to quit being such a baby and just farkin race - dumbass...

Good call by NASCAR. Speed TV interviewed Mike Helton later during the Cup practice, and he made it sound like it was possible the punishment might be extended. So we'll see.

But that was just pure childish idiocy by Kyle Busch. He's lucky Hornaday didn't kick his ass right there on pit road. I mean, beyond the fact that Busch just altered a points championship race he's not even part of, he hooked Ron Hornday into the wall UNDER CAUTION. What the hell is his problem?

Hopefully this has the same effect on him that it did on Harvick. Not that I care at this point - I was defending his candy ass, saying he'd matured. BULL-shiat. I hope McDowell wins in his car, just to really piss him off!

Wild Eyed and Wicked: I am at the hospital with my mother...can someone post a link to what happened last night, please...I need a distraction and would be quite appreciative.

KB needs to quit being such a baby and just farkin race - dumbass...

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Wild Eyed and Wicked: I am at the hospital with my mother...can someone post a link to what happened last night, please...I need a distraction and would be quite appreciative.

KB needs to quit being such a baby and just farkin race - dumbass...

Sure, no problem. Here's the video from NASCAR.com

If that doesn't work, here's YouTube.

Also, I hope your mother feels better, soon.

Thanks guys...that was stupider than i anticipated. What a douche. I, too, had been defending him but that was epic fail on his part. Dumbass...

One of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed was when he and Dale Jr. wrecked in the final laps at Richmond, 4-5 years ago. I've never seen 180,000 middle fingers go up at the same time. I thought I'd seen hate when Jeff Gordon drove by during introductions, but after that wreck, Kyle Busch was a dead man. After the race, people were spitting on his souvenir hauler. People were cursing his name in the parking lots. One guy was on top of his trailer screaming, "KYLE BUSCH IS A GOD-DAMNED TRANSEXUAL! HE WEARS WOMENS' UNDERPANTS!"

Damn, I miss the Richmond races.

Kyle's spotter : "Calm down, calm down, calm ... DAMNIT."

I'd hate to have to be up on the spotter stand and have to explain that. Or do they even try?

mahughe: Kyle's spotter : "Calm down, calm down, calm ... DAMNIT."

I'd hate to have to be up on the spotter stand and have to explain that. Or do they even try?

If I was his spotter, I'd have been running for my live, before Hornaday's spotter hung me from the spotter's stand railing.

So.... he pulled his best Russ Wheeler impersonation?

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Holy sh*t.

Weren't we just, earlier this season, talking about how mature Kyle had become?

Throw that out the window. What a goddamn twat.

He was just saving up all his asshatness to use in one giant glorious flame-out. His interview made me laugh. He really doesn't see where he was wrong. Talk about in denial.......

while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

While I agree the retaliation was stupid, wtf was Hornaday thinking when he got into Kyle? That was some asshat driving right there. He was making the pass, and lost room. Back off. Idiot.

/Obviously a Busch fan.
//Situation stinks all around.

msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

If the on-the-field incident directly put another competitor's life in danger, absolutely. If Todd Bertuzzi decided to sign with the AHL after the Moore incident, he would've gotten himself killed. (Of course, he was suspended by the IIHF, so he couldn't have anyway). I don't see how this is any different.

msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

The funny thing about that analogy is the NCAA and NASCAR have the same modus operandi on that:

Doesn't matter who you drive/play for, you screwed up. So everyone pays the price for your stupidity.

The same thing happened with Kevin Harvick in 2002. Richard Childress did the same thing Joe Gibbs is doing this weekend: shrugging his shoulders, bringing in a replacement driver, and keeping the tearing of the new asshole behind closed doors.

/That's not grout cleaner, it's paint! ASSHOLE!

msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Michael McDowell will be racing the 18 for JGR tomorrow, so Gibbs won't suffer too much on a loss of owner points, other than the fact that he's not as strong a racer as Kyle.

Denny Hamlin is in the 18 for today's race. He'll do fine. I don't think Harvick or the Childress guys will hold JGR responsible for Kyle being an idiot in the truck race.

I can picture Hornaday, Harvick and Childress visiting Kyle at home on Monday to have a come-to-jesus meeting about acceptable behavior on the track. Kyle might want to consider an extended vacation to a deserted island about now. Is his motorhome still in the infield?

Lifeless: msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

If the on-the-field incident directly put another competitor's life in danger, absolutely. If Todd Bertuzzi decided to sign with the AHL after the Moore incident, he would've gotten himself killed. (Of course, he was suspended by the IIHF, so he couldn't have anyway). I don't see how this is any different.

but it is different. From what I understand, Busch owns, operates, and races his own vehicle in the truck series, so every cost is his and every earning is his. That makes a difference in how he will react. In the Sprint Cup, he races/works for another employer, who is now being affected by something they could not control or influence.

Hit Busch heavily enough in his own pocketbook to make it matter while not punishing his employer in a completely different series.

Goatwhore: While I agree the retaliation was stupid, wtf was Hornaday thinking when he got into Kyle? That was some asshat driving right there. He was making the pass, and lost room. Back off. Idiot.

/Obviously a Busch fan.
//Situation stinks all around.

Wrong.

That was all aero - Hornday had to go around the slow, lapped truck of Johnny Chapman(and Hornday had the position on Busch, too). When Hornday went around the lapped truck, the side draft loosened him up, and he slid up and in Busch - who wasn't giving him any room going around the lapped truck. It was just a racing incident - until Busch planted him into the fence under caution and took it beyond that.

Watch the replay. Kyle could've gone a little bit higher through the corner, and none of that happens. Instead, he's driving lap 15 like the second to last lap, squeezing Hornaday - who had the position - going around lapped traffic. There was no intent on Hornaday's part to cause that; you seem to forget that he was 15 points off the championship lead until KB, who isn't even eligible for the CWTS championship, ended his day on lap 15. With no remorse.

And there is precedent for Busch's punishment - see Kevin Harvick's benching in 2002 for a similar incident in a Truck series race at Martinsville.

msupf: Lifeless: msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

If the on-the-field incident directly put another competitor's life in danger, absolutely. If Todd Bertuzzi decided to sign with the AHL after the Moore incident, he would've gotten himself killed. (Of course, he was suspended by the IIHF, so he couldn't have anyway). I don't see how this is any different.

but it is different. From what I understand, Busch owns, operates, and races his own vehicle in the truck series, so every cost is his and every earning is his. That makes a difference in how he will react. In the Sprint Cup, he races/works for another employer, who is now being affected by something they could not control or influence.

His reaction put his competitors' lives in danger. If he's allowed to race, I have no doubt that he would be crashed out immediately, either for revenge or because the other drivers do not trust him with their lives. In that way, the punishment to Gibbs would be worse; instead of the likelihood of reduced points, he would score even fewer points and have to spend more on his machinery.

msupf: Lifeless: msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

If the on-the-field incident directly put another competitor's life in danger, absolutely. If Todd Bertuzzi decided to sign with the AHL after the Moore incident, he would've gotten himself killed. (Of course, he was suspended by the IIHF, so he couldn't have anyway). I don't see how this is any different.

but it is different. From what I understand, Busch owns, operates, and races his own vehicle in the truck series, so every cost is his and every earning is his. That makes a difference in how he will react. In the Sprint Cup, he races/works for another employer, who is now being affected by something they could not control or influence.

Hit Busch heavily enough in his own pocketbook to make it matter while not punishing his employer in a completely different series.

It doesn't matter who you're driving for - your team, or someone else - you don't blatantly hook someone into the wall under caution. Teams have suffered for the actions of their drivers before; they will again.

You don't let a loose cannon on a football field anymore than you do a race track. I suspect if you asked Joe Gibbs for his opinion(if he was willing to give it), he'd likely agree with the penalty.

FiendishFellow05: msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

The funny thing about that analogy is the NCAA and NASCAR have the same modus operandi on that:

Doesn't matter who you drive/play for, you screwed up. So everyone pays the price for your stupidity.

The same thing happened with Kevin Harvick in 2002. Richard Childress did the same thing Joe Gibbs is doing this weekend: shrugging his shoulders, bringing in a replacement driver, and keeping the tearing of the new asshole behind closed doors.

/That's not grout cleaner, it's paint! ASSHOLE!

only in terms of academics and eligibility. A player suspended or ejected from a football game can still play in their basketball games that may occur during the football suspension. Happens every few years.

I have a feeling that if Carl Edwards pulled this stunt, he'd be free to race Sunday.

Not that Kyle Busch isn't the biggest dick around, I'm just saying it all depends on circumstances (while using an example of a Sprint Cup contender who has a history of maliciously wrecking others).

msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

When you intentionally run another human head-first into a concrete wall at +100 mph, you lose all credibility in just about anything, and the sanctioning body has no option other than to sit your ass down for a while to send a point about how TREMENDOUSLY FARKING STUPID that type of shiat is. Do you really think that the other 84 entrants he was scheduled to race this weekend really want to be on a track with a guy who clearly has zero regard for their equipment and physical well-being? Hell no.

Of course, there will always be people like you that need this explained to them.

puffy999: I have a feeling that if Carl Edwards pulled this stunt, he'd be free to race Sunday.

Not that Kyle Busch isn't the biggest dick around, I'm just saying it all depends on circumstances (while using an example of a Sprint Cup contender who has a history of maliciously wrecking others).

I doubt it. If he behaved the same way, with the same lack of remorse, NASCAR would park him. Points leader or not, one thing NASCAR has never tolerated is reckless endangerment of driver's lives on the track by one another.

The difference is Edwards, while we all jokingly call him "Evil Opie" here, isn't stupid enough to do that.

FiendishFellow05:
Wrong.

That was all aero - Hornday had to go around the slow, lapped truck of Johnny Chapman(and Hornday had the position on Busch, too). When Hornday went around the lapped truck, the side draft loosened him up, and he slid up and in Busch - who wasn't giving him any room going around the lapped truck. It was just a racing incident - until Busch planted him into the fence under caution and took it beyond that.

Watch the replay. Kyle could've gone a little bit higher through the corner, and none of that happens. Instead, he's driving lap 15 like the second to last lap, squeezing Hornaday - who had the position - going around lapped traffic. There was no intent on Hornaday's part to cause that; you seem to forget that he was 15 points off the championship lead until KB, who isn't even eligible for the CWTS championship, ended his day on lap 15. With no remorse.

And there is precedent for Busch's punishment - see Kevin Harvick's benching in 2002 for a similar incident in a Truck series race at Martinsville.

Wrong Wrong

Every truck was getting loose while passing close. Hornaday knew this and went between them hot anyway. The result of that bone headed maneuver was that he hit Kyle. A stunt like that is a little more forgivable on the final lap but not lap 15. There's no way he could have expected Kyle to sacrifice his line. Yeah, rubbing is racing but there's a difference between a nudge and bump here and there to using another car to steady a high speed pass. Hornaday has enough experience to know that he was driving like an idiot but he won't have to say a word now.

On the flip side what Kyle did was completely unnecessary. I'd have probably given him a bump later on in the race but to pull a high speed stunt under caution like that is just plain stupid. There's never a good reason to wreck cars and potentially injure people.

What we had here was two drivers being dumb.

I think people are going a bit far in suggesting that Kyle could have killed Hornaday, considering he hit the Safe barrier at reduced speed (due to caution), but obviously a big punishment is deserved... toss him for the season, in all NASCAR events, I say.

puffy999: I think people are going a bit far in suggesting that Kyle could have killed Hornaday, considering he hit the Safe barrier at reduced speed (due to caution), but obviously a big punishment is deserved... toss him for the season, in all NASCAR events, I say.

I wouldn't have any problem with this.

FiendishFellow05: The difference is Edwards, while we all jokingly call him "Evil Opie" here, isn't stupid enough to do that.

Um.... yeah, I'm sure Brad Keselowski thinks the same way. Carl Edwards would never wreck somebody.

Intentionally AND maliciously wreck somebody, I meant to say.

The difference is, Carl almost DID kill somebody, though the odds were it would have been somebody off of the track.

puffy999: FiendishFellow05: The difference is Edwards, while we all jokingly call him "Evil Opie" here, isn't stupid enough to do that.

Um.... yeah, I'm sure Brad Keselowski thinks the same way. Carl Edwards would never wreck somebody.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir here - big Brad K fan.

My point about Carl is while he might retaliate under green, he's not dumb enough to blatantly send someone head long into the outside wall under caution. He just picks stupid places on the track to retaliate(i.e., flat out in the middle of the corner at Atlanta).

Also, Edwards seems to learn from his mistakes. Kyle Busch just gets more arrogant and more bull-headed.

Well no, I guess Kes didn't get as airborn when Edwards wrecked him once. However, the wreck at Gateway, with all the traffic in that race, could have killed Keselowski.

puffy999: I think people are going a bit far in suggesting that Kyle could have killed Hornaday, considering he hit the Safe barrier at reduced speed (due to caution), but obviously a big punishment is deserved... toss him for the season, in all NASCAR events, I say.

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the biggest redneck here: msupf: Lifeless: msupf: while I can understand sitting him down for truck races, where he races and earns for himself, I don't exactly think it's fair to punish Gibb's racing for the driver's asshattedness in another series.

Fine Busch a huge chunk of his own money, but don't park him for a race where he drives under contract for someone else, thereby punishing the owner as well.

Gibbs is still eligible for owner points. He'll likely receive fewer because he has to use a less talented driver, but I'd hardly call that a punishment. He's not really in danger of dropping out of the top 35.

he's still losing his best chance for more points and being punished for something he had no control over.

It's hard to come up with another analogy in sports since there aren't too many multi-sport stars out there anymore. However, imagine if a college football player was suspended for an on-the-field incident, and was also a star basketball player for the school. Should you punish the basketball team for something that happened in another sport?

When you intentionally run another human head-first into a concrete wall at +100 mph, you lose all credibility in just about anything, and the sanctioning body has no option other than to sit your ass down for a while to send a point about how TREMENDOUSLY FARKING STUPID that type of shiat is. Do you really think that the other 84 entrants he was scheduled to race this weekend really want to be on a track with a guy who clearly has zero regard for their equipment and physical well-being? Hell no.

Of course, there will always be people like you that need this explained to them.

No, I understand what you are saying, but if that's the case, let the owners and rivers vote on it to let him race or sit. I also think hitting him hard in his own personal pocketook would make a bigger statement to him.

I seem to also remember when thing like this happened in the 80's and before, the drivers themselves took care of it if they felt the need for it.

Dale Earnhardt, among others, would have barely ever finished a season if this was how things were done back then.

puffy999: Well no, I guess Kes didn't get as airborn when Edwards wrecked him once. However, the wreck at Gateway, with all the traffic in that race, could have killed Keselowski.

Talladega was a racing incident.

Atlanta was a combination of Edwards being a bonehead and the weird aero crap going on with the since-replaced rear wing.

Gateway was...well, that was a messy one. I'd say Edwards was likely at fault for being too aggressive. But at least this was during the last laps racing for a win and points.

Edwards generally admits when he's wrong, though. Kyle Busch, not so much. And Busch has the shortest fuse I've seen in a long time.