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2011-11-05 09:18:18 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-05 09:30:11 AM
How would the police really have known it was a state car? It is not like there is some magical database that can be easily researched by a remote individual by radio that tell you who owns a car. Also the exempt on the license plate isn't always that easy to read. It does have more then a single syllable.
 
2011-11-05 09:32:39 AM
Murray said he was driving "within the posted 65 mph speed limit when he lost control of (the police car) due to the slippery, icy road conditions,"

SLOW THE fark DOWN IF THE ROAD IS ICY, YOU COCK!!
 
2011-11-05 10:11:23 AM
We need to tightly control government spending. Except for the police, they don't need oversight for new equipment.
 
2011-11-05 10:18:13 AM
one law for them, another law for us.
 
2011-11-05 10:19:43 AM
Rozotorical: How would the police really have known it was a state car? It is not like there is some magical database that can be easily researched by a remote individual by radio that tell you who owns a car. Also the exempt on the license plate isn't always that easy to read. It does have more then a single syllable.

In my state at least, state vehicles have license plates that are visibly quite different and instantly recognizable as state owned vehicles. you can tell by looking at the plate that the car belongs to the state government.
 
2011-11-05 10:28:29 AM
Weaver95: Rozotorical: How would the police really have known it was a state car? It is not like there is some magical database that can be easily researched by a remote individual by radio that tell you who owns a car. Also the exempt on the license plate isn't always that easy to read. It does have more then a single syllable.

In my state at least, state vehicles have license plates that are visibly quite different and instantly recognizable as state owned vehicles. you can tell by looking at the plate that the car belongs to the state government.


Same in VA.
 
2011-11-05 12:16:08 PM
I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?
 
2011-11-05 12:21:30 PM
ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

because of this:
"State police spokesman David Procopio said state police vehicles that crash while driven by agency employees are subject to an intense level of scrutiny at the scene of an accident and later investigation."

why is a politician treated differently?
you are correct otherwise. and the fact that citizens trying to get access to what really happened while the cops are trying to avoid doing that leads suspicion that something was wrong.

why hasnt the lt gov insisted that they pull the data? That's what I do to avoid any chance of making me look bad. want to bet that he was driving too fast for conditions?
so now we have to ask why he wasnt ticked for reckless driving and why isnt he required to pay for the damages?

infact, why isnt the insurance company demading that this evidence be pulled?
 
2011-11-05 12:36:51 PM
How the hell does someone from New England not know you slow the frak down on icy roads?

For god's sake, we have to deal with that shiat five months out of the year.
 
2011-11-05 12:39:55 PM
what_now: Murray said he was driving "within the posted 65 mph speed limit when he lost control of (the police car) due to the slippery, icy road conditions,"

SLOW THE fark DOWN IF THE ROAD IS ICY, YOU COCK!!


As one who was not a lt. governor and, therefore, received a ticket, the posted speed limit is not a defense for failure to reduce speed to compensate for adverse road conditions...although it was an isolated patch of gravel rather than ice.
 
2011-11-05 12:41:12 PM
namatad: ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

because of this:
"State police spokesman David Procopio said state police vehicles that crash while driven by agency employees are subject to an intense level of scrutiny at the scene of an accident and later investigation."

why is a politician treated differently?
you are correct otherwise. and the fact that citizens trying to get access to what really happened while the cops are trying to avoid doing that leads suspicion that something was wrong.

why hasnt the lt gov insisted that they pull the data? That's what I do to avoid any chance of making me look bad. want to bet that he was driving too fast for conditions?
so now we have to ask why he wasnt ticked for reckless driving and why isnt he required to pay for the damages?

infact, why isnt the insurance company demading that this evidence be pulled?


But he's not an agency employee? And no one was hurt? I am sooooo not getting this.
 
2011-11-05 01:00:01 PM
ginandbacon: namatad: ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

because of this:
"State police spokesman David Procopio said state police vehicles that crash while driven by agency employees are subject to an intense level of scrutiny at the scene of an accident and later investigation."

why is a politician treated differently?
you are correct otherwise. and the fact that citizens trying to get access to what really happened while the cops are trying to avoid doing that leads suspicion that something was wrong.

why hasnt the lt gov insisted that they pull the data? That's what I do to avoid any chance of making me look bad. want to bet that he was driving too fast for conditions?
so now we have to ask why he wasnt ticked for reckless driving and why isnt he required to pay for the damages?

infact, why isnt the insurance company demading that this evidence be pulled?

But he's not an agency employee? And no one was hurt? I am sooooo not getting this.


Are you really this obtuse?
If any average citizen or employee wrecked a state owned vehicle it would be thoroughly investigated.
Also - most people know better than to drive that fast in icy conditions.
But what the hell, not his car or insurance.
 
2011-11-05 01:04:35 PM
AbbeySomeone: Are you really this obtuse?
If any average citizen or employee wrecked a state owned vehicle it would be thoroughly investigated.
Also - most people know better than to drive that fast in icy conditions.
But what the hell, not his car or insurance.


THIS
this is the WHOLE POINT.
1) this should not be covered by insurance unless it is completely investigated.
2) he should be required to pay for the damages.

this is not rocket science

and ginandbacon is a personal responsibility troll.
 
2011-11-05 01:13:38 PM
AbbeySomeone: ginandbacon: namatad: ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

because of this:
"State police spokesman David Procopio said state police vehicles that crash while driven by agency employees are subject to an intense level of scrutiny at the scene of an accident and later investigation."

why is a politician treated differently?
you are correct otherwise. and the fact that citizens trying to get access to what really happened while the cops are trying to avoid doing that leads suspicion that something was wrong.

why hasnt the lt gov insisted that they pull the data? That's what I do to avoid any chance of making me look bad. want to bet that he was driving too fast for conditions?
so now we have to ask why he wasnt ticked for reckless driving and why isnt he required to pay for the damages?

infact, why isnt the insurance company demading that this evidence be pulled?

But he's not an agency employee? And no one was hurt? I am sooooo not getting this.

Are you really this obtuse?
If any average citizen or employee wrecked a state owned vehicle it would be thoroughly investigated.
Also - most people know better than to drive that fast in icy conditions.
But what the hell, not his car or insurance.


Well, thanks for making it personal.

Black ice is not the same as "icy conditions". You don't know it's there. You can be going along fine and then suddenly you're in a whole world of trouble and unless you know to take your hands off the wheel and your feet off the pedals, it gets real ugly real fast. Maybe he was speeding, maybe not. It just sounds like one of those things where he got unlucky.

I would find all of this easier to get excited about except that Massachusetts pols do get charged and convicted for dangerous driving. See Anthony "the Gooch" Galluccio. So the claim that there are two laws "one for them and one for the rest of us" just doesn't ring true to me.
 
2011-11-05 01:14:35 PM
This isn't the first time this happened. Just a few years ago a not so well known congressman from Oregon did the same thing but put a lady in the hospital. They did a pretty good job covering it up but it still made some press.

The Story (new window)
 
2011-11-05 01:18:36 PM
ginandbacon: Black ice is not the same as "icy conditions". You don't know it's there. You can be going along fine and then suddenly you're in a whole world of trouble and unless you know to take your hands off the wheel and your feet off the pedals, it gets real ugly real fast. Maybe he was speeding, maybe not. It just sounds like one of those things where he got unlucky.

so you REALLY are stupid? if there is a possibility of a HIDDEN condition you should already be driving much slower. DUH. unless you are a farktard.

"oh look, it is cold and there is a turn ahead. I should slow down to avoid black ice of death.

or are you saying the black ice is a new thing??
bwhahahahhahahaaha
 
2011-11-05 01:23:44 PM
namatad: or are you saying the black ice is a new thing??
bwhahahahhahahaaha


ice ice baby.
 
2011-11-05 01:36:30 PM
namatad: ginandbacon: Black ice is not the same as "icy conditions". You don't know it's there. You can be going along fine and then suddenly you're in a whole world of trouble and unless you know to take your hands off the wheel and your feet off the pedals, it gets real ugly real fast. Maybe he was speeding, maybe not. It just sounds like one of those things where he got unlucky.

so you REALLY are stupid? if there is a possibility of a HIDDEN condition you should already be driving much slower. DUH. unless you are a farktard.

"oh look, it is cold and there is a turn ahead. I should slow down to avoid black ice of death.

or are you saying the black ice is a new thing??
bwhahahahhahahaaha


Such an elevated tone in this thread.

The problem with black ice is that it can form when temperatures are above freezing and from the water in car exhaust so there often are no indicators such as rain and sub-zero temps to tell you you need to slow down. The most careful drivers n the world can still wipe out on it.
 
2011-11-05 01:37:56 PM
ginandbacon: Such an elevated tone in this thread.

people tend to get a bit upset when they see someone getting special treatment under the law.
 
2011-11-05 01:42:39 PM
ginandbacon: Such an elevated tone in this thread.

Why should cops be treated with respect when they get full immunity from the very laws they enforce on us?
 
2011-11-05 01:43:40 PM
Weaver95: ginandbacon: Such an elevated tone in this thread.

people tend to get a bit upset when they see someone getting special treatment under the law.


I didn't see that. I asked, respectfully, what I was missing and so far have not received a respectful response to any of my points. But whatever. I don't care about the Lt. Governor, and I don't seem to be able to care about this story. Politicians in Massachusetts have gone to jail for drunk driving and a previous Lt. Governor lost her career for abusing State resources (she was helicoptering around on personal trips) so I'm having a hard time buying this whole cover up angle.

Have fun with it though.
 
2011-11-05 02:24:19 PM
 
2011-11-05 02:24:55 PM
Weaver95: I didn't see that. .

no, you refused to admit it was happening. in fact, you went out of your WAY to avoid that's what it looked like.

so either you're just a clueless apologist or you're trolling. I don't much care which it is, mostly 'cause i'm bored and enjoy watching people make fools of themselves in these sorts of discussions.


...he says as he buggers up his HTML formatting....

*sigh*

I need more coffee.
 
2011-11-05 02:36:53 PM
ginandbacon: The problem with black ice is that it can form when temperatures are above freezing and from the water in car exhaust so there often are no indicators such as rain and sub-zero temps to tell you you need to slow down. The most careful drivers n the world can still wipe out on it.

Maybe. But this particular weekend was not like that. We had been told for days that conditions would be terrible, it was sleeting and snowing all over the state. It was something called "wintery mix" which is a phrase that will strike fear into the hearts of every New Englander.
 
2011-11-05 02:45:47 PM
I didn't think this tab was going to get any greenlights today, after the shocking news that Michael Moore is still fat.
 
2011-11-05 02:53:40 PM
what_now: Murray said he was driving "within the posted 65 mph speed limit when he lost control of (the police car) due to the slippery, icy road conditions,"

SLOW THE fark DOWN IF THE ROAD IS ICY, YOU COCK!!


I know someone who got a ticket for getting into an accident while driving the posted speed limit in slippery conditions.

I guess some are more equal than others.
 
2011-11-05 02:55:36 PM
He was Driving While Democrat.
 
2011-11-05 03:12:50 PM
"Why should cops be treated with respect when they get full immunity from the very laws they enforce on us?"

They shouldn't. This guy should be fired simply for what happened.
 
2011-11-05 03:21:00 PM
Weaver95: ...he says as he buggers up his HTML formatting....

*sigh*

I need more coffee.


or less ... :D
 
2011-11-05 03:22:14 PM
what_now: ginandbacon: The problem with black ice is that it can form when temperatures are above freezing and from the water in car exhaust so there often are no indicators such as rain and sub-zero temps to tell you you need to slow down. The most careful drivers n the world can still wipe out on it.

Maybe. But this particular weekend was not like that. We had been told for days that conditions would be terrible, it was sleeting and snowing all over the state. It was something called "wintery mix" which is a phrase that will strike fear into the hearts of every New Englander.


I grew up in Cambridge and I drove a cab nights while I was in school. I understand the conditions, I'm just not seeing a cover up. The story to me seems more like the Statie who responded on scene didn't see a lot of evidence that he had done anything illegal (stupid maybe) and didn't see anything to pursue. The black box is normally pulled for agency employees which he isn't. Other pols have been prosecuted for DUIs and abusing official vehicles so I'm having a little trouble seeing the huge conspiracy here.

Weaver95: Weaver95: I didn't see that. .

no, you refused to admit it was happening. in fact, you went out of your WAY to avoid that's what it looked like.

so either you're just a clueless apologist or you're trolling. I don't much care which it is, mostly 'cause i'm bored and enjoy watching people make fools of themselves in these sorts of discussions.

...he says as he buggers up his HTML formatting....

*sigh*

I need more coffee.


Shame on you. You and I have had a lot of very good conversation and you're just wanting a fight today. You could actually respond to me instead of calling me names. But yeah, hey. Have another cup of coffee if that will help.
 
2011-11-05 03:27:29 PM
actionchurch.com

This isn't the data you're looking for....
 
2011-11-05 03:31:10 PM
BLACK ice?

Thats wasis' - shouldn't it just be ICE? ALL AMERICAN WHITE ICE~!


*serves Weaver coffee (decaf so you dont get all hyper and start posting every 30 seconds)*
 
2011-11-05 03:47:38 PM
It wasn't his car.

The owners of said car typically go to great lengths to find out how exactly their cars get destroyed.

Except they don't seem to really care this time.

But yes, let's keep asking if anything is really all that fishy here...
 
2011-11-05 04:01:42 PM
ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

If someone like you or me would have had an accident, either in a government vehicle or a personal vehicle, the police would have downloaded the black box as soon as they were able to. But since this guy is the Lt. Gov, the staties are taking his word that he was going the speed limit.

This is why people don't trust cops.

Wonder if the Boston Herald can compel the State Police to turn over the data in black box since it is state owned.
 
2011-11-05 04:06:29 PM
Lt Gov drives a Crown Vic?

[ha-ha.jpg]

One would think that fact alone mighta raised some suspicions from the officers attending the crash cos Crown Vic basically screams "government vehicle". So what's the question here? Did the officers attending the crash really not know who they were dealing with? Are politicians traditionally given lighter scrutiny than other government employees because of their political power? Was that the case here?

Meh, my outrage meter is sorta flat-lining here.

Of course we've already firmly established IOT that MM is still fat and that conspiracy websites are still nutty so folk may as well fight about this for a change. Interested to see that nobody reading this thread, the headline or the linked article could ascertain which political party this particular pol is part of so there that at least.
 
2011-11-05 04:08:13 PM
What the fark is wrong with pulling down that car's computer info??? Would just take a moment to do.

Makes you wonder what the problem is.
 
2011-11-05 04:09:41 PM
Neither did the police thing it was warranted to interview the hooker in the passenger side of the car because surely the Lt Gov was just making sure she got home okay.
 
2011-11-05 04:13:22 PM
I agree. Why check? If he ain't dead it wasn't fast enough. Simple. The rest is numbers.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-05 04:13:28 PM
Galluccio

Galluccio got a pass from Boston police after a drunken crash. A year or two later a drunk driving Galluccio got a ride home from Cambridge police before he went out again still drunk and hurt somebody. In that case which was hard to make disappear he got house arrest instead of jail. It took five drunk driving incidents that we know about to get probation; for us that would be a mandatory minimum year in jail and mandatory loss of license for life. He finally went to jail for failing a surprise breath test while on house arrest.
 
2011-11-05 04:36:37 PM
skinink: Neither did the police thing it was warranted to interview the hooker in the passenger side of the car because surely the Lt Gov was just making sure she got home okay.

I was going to ask if the car ended up in a creek, and if the cops checked it for bodies?
 
2011-11-05 04:39:31 PM
ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

It's the Boston Herald. And they are fishing for a scandal because Murray is a Democrat. He voluntarily took a breathalyzer test to preemptively shoot down the "he was DUI" rumor.

Herald is, and always will be, a piece of shiat rag.
 
2011-11-05 04:50:41 PM
GAT_00: ginandbacon: Such an elevated tone in this thread.

Why should cops be treated with respect when they get full immunity from the very laws they enforce on us?


What cop is getting special treatment here? The only person who is getting special treatment is the (D) Lt. Governor of MA.
 
2011-11-05 05:01:34 PM
It's OK, he's a Democrat.

now if it was a RepubliKKKan then it would be a coverup, a serious problem, and racism.
 
2011-11-05 05:02:42 PM
I don't understand the outrage.
 
2011-11-05 05:03:22 PM
YELLOL: It's OK, he's a Democrat.

now if it was a RepubliKKKan then it would be a coverup, a serious problem, and racism.


I wouldn't understand outrage in that case either.
 
2011-11-05 05:06:53 PM
I was begining to wonder when, and who, would bring shitty partisan crap into the discussion. And here we are.
 
2011-11-05 05:27:38 PM
Close2TheEdge: ginandbacon: I don't understand how this is a story? The guy hit a patch of black ice. There doesn't seem to be any indication of DUI and no one was hurt. So maybe he was speeding. So what? Can someone spell out to me the giant fuss here?

It's the Boston Herald. And they are fishing for a scandal because Murray is a Democrat. He voluntarily took a breathalyzer test to preemptively shoot down the "he was DUI" rumor.

Herald is, and always will be, a piece of shiat rag.


Yeah, that was kind of my take away from this whole kerfuffle.
 
2011-11-05 05:35:47 PM
squidloe: What cop is getting special treatment here? The only person who is getting special treatment is the (D) Lt. Governor of MA.

Good luck on getting a reply to that :)
 
2011-11-05 05:38:37 PM
Where's his birth certificate?

Why won't he release his transcripts?
 
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