Link farked already.

doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

Ramsay Bolton in the house?

/you have to know your name!

doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

The author wasn't making a metaphysical argument so I don't know why you jumped there. It is likely that simple brains interpret stimuli differently than complex brains.

Baryogenesis: doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

The author wasn't making a metaphysical argument so I don't know why you jumped there. It is likely that simple brains interpret stimuli differently than complex brains.

Sounds like tonight is the night for a tasty, tasty experiment!

Any article that cites the PCRM is a shiatty article. They also apparently have no idea what a complete protein is.

"Myth 10: Turkey Makes You Sleepy Because of Its Tryptophan Content

It's true that turkey is a great source of tryptophan, and that tryptophan makes us sleepy."

the fark am I reading?

"Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

Whenever someone talks about whether lobsters scream I'm reminded of David Foster Wallace's essay Consider the Lobster (new window) it is a great read if you haven't seen it.

Carth: "Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

Nearly every bodybuilder on the planet.

kenwastinger: Carth: "Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

Nearly every bodybuilder on the planet.

Every bodybuilder on the planet I've met uses some sort of protein shake or supplement.

Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

By simply eating more calories from healthful, whole foods (ie: grains, nuts, seeds, fish), you will take care of all the necessary nutrients that support muscle growth.

All of these are high protein foods, last time I checked.

Carth: Who the hell eats that much without supplements?

I weigh around 145 and was trying to take off a little fat and put on a little muscle mass. Not much, mind you. Just a couple pounds each way. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't eat/drink that much, not to mention it got expensive in the attempt (variation to keep from eating the same things over and over).

... Myth 7: Artificial Sweeteners are 100% Safe...

I was having lunch with my wife the other day, and pointed out how the Susan Komen foundation "for the cure" has put their pink ribbon on everything from light bulbs to flash drives and knit socks, wouldn't it be funny if they put their pink ribbon on the little packages of "Sweet N' Low"? A suspected carcinogen? Just food for thought.

SGK for the cure is everywhere. It's a little obnoxious, if you ask me. Even my wife admits it, and she's conscious of that kind of thing,

/Didn't mean to threadjack, but it needed mentioning....

AngryDragon: Baryogenesis: doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

The author wasn't making a metaphysical argument so I don't know why you jumped there. It is likely that simple brains interpret stimuli differently than complex brains.

Sounds like tonight is the night for a tasty, tasty experiment!

Are you the zombie Hannibal Lecter?

haven't a bunch of these "myths " been covered in assorted good eats episodes?

Phantoms5000: ... Myth 7: Artificial Sweeteners are 100% Safe...

I was having lunch with my wife the other day, and pointed out how the Susan Komen foundation "for the cure" has put their pink ribbon on everything from light bulbs to flash drives and knit socks, wouldn't it be funny if they put their pink ribbon on the little packages of "Sweet N' Low"? A suspected carcinogen? Just food for thought.

SGK for the cure is everywhere. It's a little obnoxious, if you ask me. Even my wife admits it, and she's conscious of that kind of thing,

/Didn't mean to threadjack, but it needed mentioning....

I have noticed that. I myself told my girlfriend I am going to start walking around with one of those ribbons on my fly. She said she was going to kick me in the balls if she saw me doing it.

summersa74: Any article that cites the PCRM is a shiatty article. They also apparently have no idea what a complete protein is.

You apparently have no idea that complimentary protein is a myth. Even the originator of the idea later said it was incorrect.

Store bought mayonnaise can be safely stored at room temperature after opening.

Carth: "Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

You're just counting "protein-rich" sources. As tfa said, almost every food has some protein

If you put a cold blooded animal from cold water into very hot water, it will die faster than it even knows what hit it. That's better than what the kids I drive to school on the bus every day got.

While the issue about dropping a live lobster into a pot of boiling water is cruel is debatable, chilling a lobster to make it lethargic followed by putting a knife into its brain does have another advantage, or so I'm told. The cooked flesh will taste better because the lobster isn't going berzerk until it does die.

doglover: Baryogenesis: doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

The author wasn't making a metaphysical argument so I don't know why you jumped there. It is likely that simple brains interpret stimuli differently than complex brains.


Just because lobsters don't feel pain the same way doesn't make it okay to kill them inhumanely. They still feel something like pain and boiling to death is a hard out on any scale. Trying to justify it with some kind of bullshiat about lobsters feeling pain differently is retarded. It's every bit as awful as those fish the Japanese impale on a stick and slice the meat off so fast they're still moving at your table.

You're anthropomorphizing lobsters and basing your argument on emotion rather than evidence. The initial argument was that lobster brains are insufficiently complex to interpret a stimulus like boiling water as pain. This is not an unreasonable position. Besides, if lobsters don't feel pain then there would be no way to kill them inhumanely because of that whole painless death thing.

Myth: "Artificial Sweeteners are safe."

Body of evidence. "NOTHING AT ALL"

Also the myth is that lobsters scream, which they do not. The pain argument was more of a sidebar.

From the comments section...
Java-Princess @Alan Henry Hey Alan, now's the time to watch Meet Your Meat. Flesh is for zombies
[www.petatv.com]
As a bonus I was one of the naked chicks in a Peta protest. Go veggie and I'll show you a pic. (Edit comment)

Edited by Java-Princess at 11/04/11 8:49 PM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

Carth Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-05 08:44:46 AM Ignore User
"Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.


Exactly. I consume (scoop) 35g of Whey protein 4 times a day (along with Glutamine, Veggie Green, and a generous splash of Hammer gel) and have for years. The only people who say you can build muscle without protein are the same morons who don't know shiat about weight training.

steve_lou: That's better than what the kids I drive to school on the bus every day got.

wut?

Carth: So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

Uh, 136 grams works out to 4.79 ounces. You should probably check your math.

doglover Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-05 09:54:18 AM Ignore User
Baryogenesis: doglover: Lobsters are invertebrates and have a primitive nervous system. Whether or not they feel pain in the way you or I would if we were injured or burned is debatable

Anyone who uses this argument should be strapped to a board and I'll flay their skin and give them a lecture on how I can never really be sure they exist in a metaphysical sense and if they are just an illusion they can't possibly feel pain.

Maybe just a few fingers would be enough to learn 'em.

The author wasn't making a metaphysical argument so I don't know why you jumped there. It is likely that simple brains interpret stimuli differently than complex brains.


Just because lobsters don't feel pain the same way doesn't make it okay to kill them inhumanely. They still feel something like pain and boiling to death is a hard out on any scale. Trying to justify it with some kind of bullshiat about lobsters feeling pain differently is retarded. It's every bit as awful as those fish the Japanese impale on a stick and slice the meat off so fast they're still moving at your table.


Funny you should say that. Because I'm preparing lobster for lunch. Big juicy ones. And they're staring at me with those big stalk eyes. Hmmm. Hmmmm. I can hardly wait to toss them in some water, boil them up and have a really nice lunch of lobster. So good with melted butter. Maybe I'll go and smack some baby seals on the head this afternoon. Just for the hell of it.

indarwinsshadow: The only people who say you can build muscle without protein are the same morons who don't know shiat about weight training.

That's not what the article says at all. Protein should be one element of a weight-training diet, not the only thing consumed to the exclusion of everything else.

Dwight_Yeast: Carth: So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

Uh, 136 grams works out to 4.79 ounces. You should probably check your math.

I've never seen protein measured in oz in food before but your conversion is right. Still, a 6oz steak is only 42g (or 1.4oz) of protein and most cuts of beef are only 7 grams per ounce.

I found it really hard to eat enough protein since the majority of my diet is vegetables, pasta and rice.

Too bad number 2 is completely wrong. Even (especially) in caloric deficit, increased protein intake beyond even 1.4-1.7g/kg bodyweight helps increase and maintain lean mass. There are LOTS of studies to back this up.

Considering the RDI for someone eating a 2000 calorie a day diet is 50g of protein, saying that you don't need increased protein intake to put on muscle is nonsense. Increased calories help, as in you don't need to eat as much protein, but what a load of bullshiat. My first year biology teacher and myself had it out over this and he eventually conceded I was correct and he didn't know much about resistance training or athlete nutrition.

I should also point out that, in general, number 6 is completely wrong as well. In general plant protein is of poorer quality compared to animal protein, which means you have to eat more of it to get the same benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS for further reference

What a terrible article which is doing nothing but perpetuating food myths. :(

uglybob69: I should also point out that, in general, number 6 is completely wrong as well. In general plant protein is of poorer quality compared to animal protein, which means you have to eat more of it to get the same benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS for further reference

What a terrible article which is doing nothing but perpetuating food myths. :(

This.

uglybob69: I should also point out that, in general, number 6 is completely wrong as well. In general plant protein is of poorer quality compared to animal protein, which means you have to eat more of it to get the same benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS for further reference

What a terrible article which is doing nothing but perpetuating food myths. :(

Cracked articles are better fact checked.

uglybob69: Too bad number 2 is completely wrong. Even (especially) in caloric deficit, increased protein intake beyond even 1.4-1.7g/kg bodyweight helps increase and maintain lean mass. There are LOTS of studies to back this up.

Considering the RDI for someone eating a 2000 calorie a day diet is 50g of protein, saying that you don't need increased protein intake to put on muscle is nonsense. Increased calories help, as in you don't need to eat as much protein, but what a load of bullshiat. My first year biology teacher and myself had it out over this and he eventually conceded I was correct and he didn't know much about resistance training or athlete nutrition.

I was wondering if this would pop up. I've been reading about paleo, and...this sort of screams Paleo-person to me. I haven't found anyone who's stuck to it that didn't have good results, and it makes sense to me.

Since I built myself a little segue bridge there, has anyone had any exp with, or thoughts on, Paleo (or the caveman, etc. diets)? It makes a lot of sense to me; eat fresh, non-preservative-packed, food, focused on meat/vege, and some fruit.

uglybob69: What a terrible article which is doing nothing but perpetuating food myths.

That's what you get for reading an article from Lifehacker

Dwight_Yeast Add Favorite User Quote 2011-11-05 10:46:29 AM Ignore User
indarwinsshadow: The only people who say you can build muscle without protein are the same morons who don't know shiat about weight training.

That's not what the article says at all. Protein should be one element of a weight-training diet, not the only thing consumed to the exclusion of everything else.

The problem is when you're weight training, most people forget the crucial element of diet. You HAVE to have lots of protein in your diet to build muscle. They skip that, and just eat a lot of carbs. Carbs are great, but they also contribute to fat buildup. You want a lean diet Lots of vegetables, whole grains, and protein, protein and more protein. You get bigger by eating.

Carth: It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

I can eat 50 eggs.

kroonermanblack: I was wondering if this would pop up. I've been reading about paleo, and...this sort of screams Paleo-person to me. I haven't found anyone who's stuck to it that didn't have good results, and it makes sense to me.

Since I built myself a little segue bridge there, has anyone had any exp with, or thoughts on, Paleo (or the caveman, etc. diets)? It makes a lot of sense to me; eat fresh, non-preservative-packed, food, focused on meat/vege, and some fruit.

It's a good all around diet for health IMO. Carbohydrates are important for adding muscle mass, as insulin is a strongly anabolic hormone (though sometimes anabolic to the waistline). However when I'm trying to slim down I limit my carbohydrates and normally eat a paleo-ish diet.

Dwight_Yeast: That's not what the article says at all. Protein should be one element of a weight-training diet, not the only thing consumed to the exclusion of everything else.

This explains my Russian co-worker's Tushonka diet.

Bacontastesgood: I can eat 50 eggs.

She can eat 65 (new window).

/although I suspect you were actually just making a movie reference and we ended up with... failure to communicate

Carth: "Myth 2: Eat a High-Protein Diet to Gain Muscle Mass

the American Dietetic Association and the FDA have specific guidelines for an appropriate diet conducive to resistance training. They suggest limiting your protein intake to no more than 1.7 grams per kilogram of body weight (or 0.77 grams per pound of body weight."

So for a 180lbs person they'd recommend about 136g of protein. Who the hell eats that much without supplements? It is like eating 4 cans of tuna a day, or 20 eggs.

What I was going to say. I bought cereal that was advertised as "high protein" and it had like 10 grams of protein in it.

uglybob69: I should also point out that, in general, number 6 is completely wrong as well. In general plant protein is of poorer quality compared to animal protein, which means you have to eat more of it to get the same benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDCAAS for further reference

What a terrible article which is doing nothing but perpetuating food myths. :(

Animal protein is conducive to heart disease and cancer, however. There is a ton of data that shows diets with more than 12% animal protein show a significant increase in cancer and heart disease rates.

uglybob69: Too bad number 2 is completely wrong. Even (especially) in caloric deficit, increased protein intake beyond even 1.4-1.7g/kg bodyweight helps increase and maintain lean mass. There are LOTS of studies to back this up.

Considering the RDI for someone eating a 2000 calorie a day diet is 50g of protein, saying that you don't need increased protein intake to put on muscle is nonsense. Increased calories help, as in you don't need to eat as much protein, but what a load of bullshiat. My first year biology teacher and myself had it out over this and he eventually conceded I was correct and he didn't know much about resistance training or athlete nutrition.

It's as simple as this,

These are the types of people who say protein isn't important for gaining muscle mass:



These are the types of people who supplement their diet with protein:



Oh that first picture by the way, is the quoted "dietician" Andy Bellati, who cleary spouts off nonsense he has no clue about.

iaazathot: Animal protein is conducive to heart disease and cancer, however. There is a ton of data that shows diets with more than 12% animal protein show a significant increase in cancer and heart disease rates.

I'm not talking cancer, or even health, I'm talking muscle mass and performance. However if you're talking about "The China Study" there has been a lot of research and experts that disagree with his views. It isn't as cut and dry as we'd all like to think.

Myth #11: MSG causes cancer