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(io9) Silly Could the Enterprise beam a vampire into a house she didn't have permission to enter?   (io9.com) divider line 218
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2011-11-05 12:06:47 AM
Since they're atomized you'd think they just fly out the door disintegrated?
 
2011-11-05 12:21:46 AM
depends on the mythology of the vampire in question. not all vampires require an invitation.
 
2011-11-05 12:28:13 AM
You talk like a vampire could be beamed in the first place.
 
2011-11-05 12:49:50 AM
SilentStrider: depends on the mythology of the vampire in question. not all vampires require an invitation.

Right.. but those aren't the ones TFA was focused on.

Hmm. Can an invitation-needing vampire be SHOVED into someone's house by a non-owner, uninvited?
If so, then I'd say they could at least be unwittingly beamed.

They also probably aren't crossing any 'thresholds' while being beamed, if that plays any part.
 
2011-11-05 01:10:14 AM
No, batman would win, because he has the kryptonite ring that superman gav...

Oh wait, wrong nerd fight, sorry. BRB.
 
2011-11-05 01:11:23 AM
Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?
 
2011-11-05 01:12:08 AM
maddermaxx: No, batman would win, because he has the kryptonite ring that superman gav...

Oh wait, wrong nerd fight, sorry. BRB.


The Star Destroyer would totally win.
 
2011-11-05 01:13:02 AM
e lo: Could Jesus microwave a burrito so hot that he himself could not eat it?

Why would Jesus even need a microwave?
 
2011-11-05 01:14:31 AM
Surely the transporter beam would be exposed to sunlight in space and the vamp would go poof long before reaching the house?
 
2011-11-05 01:18:02 AM
This is a preposterous question based upon a singular interpretation on invitation-domicile barriers triggered on vampirism. Some interpretations cause harm to the vampire while others flatly prohibit entry, willing or otherwise. I would imagine a continuum where basic locations for living, such as hotels, cause discomfort due to being generally public, all the way to private sanctums which would have an intangible force field which halts ingress from a vampire.

In anything less than a barrier which flatly halts progress, the vampire enters but immediately suffers the consequences for this. For the sanctum, teleportation other than magic would stop at the extent of the barrier nearest from whence the teleportation originated. With magic, the teleportation fails if directed into the sanctum whereas randomized teleportation which happens to target the sanctum shunts the teleportee violently to the nearest extent of the barrier; the vampire is either removed, including crushing objects in the path, or the vampire is destroyed in this process by crushing forces against objects of sufficient hardness.
 
2011-11-05 01:19:46 AM
Seeing as how transporters destroy the original and creates a perfect to spec copy in the place they appear, including memories, could a transporter be re configured to generate a vamp back as a living human again?
 
2011-11-05 01:20:50 AM
something something Tachyon pulse something.
 
2011-11-05 01:21:01 AM
Relatively Obscure: Can an invitation-needing vampire be SHOVED into someone's house by a non-owner, uninvited?

They did that in one of the Lost Boys sequels. But in those movies, the vampires can enter your home uninvited, they just don't have any vampiric powers while inside if they do so.

If we're talking about a vampire where it's an issue, I'd say the fair interpretation is that you can carry a vampire forcibly into a house, he just can't enter of his own free will. So a transporter would work just as well. The needing permission thing is based on the rules of hospitality, and if someone else is violating the hospitality, then there isn't much the vampire can do about it. The vampire probably would not really want to be beamed in, but still could be, and could choose to do so.
 
2011-11-05 01:22:30 AM
Wolf892: Seeing as how transporters destroy the original and creates a perfect to spec copy in the place they appear, including memories, could a transporter be re configured to generate a vamp back as a living human again?

That would probably work about as well as trying to use them to resurrect dead people, which is to say: no.
 
2011-11-05 01:23:58 AM
If the Enterprise beamed a werewolf onboard in human form and it looked at the moon, would it transform?
 
2011-11-05 01:25:15 AM
Wolf892: transporters destroy the original and creates a perfect to spec copy in the place they appear

If you built a house out of legos, took it apart then rebuilt it with every single piece exactly where it was before, would it be a copy or the exact same house?
 
2011-11-05 01:27:30 AM
So, as a newbie to trek (wars is my forte when it comes to stars) I jave always wondered why the fark do they even bother with the enterprise when they can beam wherever they want. Anyone?

/the show is fun
//just full of holes
///and written by horny nerds
////can you tell i've been watching tng?
 
2011-11-05 01:28:42 AM
Hmmmm, could a transporter be wired to a replicator, then make copies and copies of the vampire from stored data in the pattern buffer?

Also, why couldn't a transporter beam a dead person back to life? Just "fix" the imperfections that cause death, then upon the reappearance have someone jump start their hearts again...
 
2011-11-05 01:33:06 AM
pregerstheHobo: when they can beam wherever they want.

they can't beam wherever they want.
 
2011-11-05 01:33:56 AM
yes because transporters can do anything that gets writers out of having to write an actual resolution of the plot.
 
2011-11-05 01:34:29 AM
log_jammin - If you built a house out of legos, took it apart then rebuilt it with every single piece exactly where it was before, would it be a copy or the exact same house?


Maybe I'm wrong..but I always thought that the transporter worked like this

Lego house goes on the transporter pad. The transporter scans and learns the blueprint of the house. Destroyes the house, somewhere else, takes the elements from the environment and reconfigures them in the exact same blueprint of the lego house.

Wasn't this why certain people refused to go through the transporter? They didn't like the idea they'd die while a copy of them would walk around thinking they were the "real" deal?

So, lego house is pulled apart, each piece is flushed down the loo, I grab new legos down to the same colors, put the house back together to spec, then to everyone around they'd never know it wasn't the same house...
 
2011-11-05 01:36:42 AM
log_jammin: Wolf892: transporters destroy the original and creates a perfect to spec copy in the place they appear

If you built a house out of legos, took it apart then rebuilt it with every single piece exactly where it was before, would it be a copy or the exact same house?


Every atom in your body will be replaced within ten years, so are you the same person you were ten years ago?
 
2011-11-05 01:39:04 AM
In Buffy lore, the vampire would materialize in the uninvited area and immediately be thrown out the nearest exit.
 
2011-11-05 01:42:29 AM
Wolf892: Lego house goes on the transporter pad. The transporter scans and learns the blueprint of the house. Destroyes the house, somewhere else, takes the elements from the environment and reconfigures them in the exact same blueprint of the lego house.

I don't think so. IIRC the matter that makes up you is what is being "beamed" to the other location.

Mentat: Every atom in your body will be replaced within ten years, so are you the same person you were ten years ago?

there is a theory/debate/argument over that but I can't remember the name of it. something about the wood on a boat being replaced over time making it a completely different boat.
 
2011-11-05 01:44:29 AM
Flint Ironstag: Surely the transporter beam would be exposed to sunlight in space and the vamp would go poof long before reaching the house?

1) Sunlight in space would be too weak for this to make a difference, otherwise stars in the night sky would have the same effect.

2) Sunlight does not make vampires "go poof." Sunlight severely weakens the vampire, if we base the rules on Bram Stoker's Dracula. If sunlight played a factor, it would just remove the vampire's powers.

3) In response to the question at hand, a vampire would not be able to be beamed into a house that it is not invited into because, although the whole being would not cross a threshold, the atoms that compose the vampire would need to. If the being that the atoms create is damned, then the atoms that make it are damned, and the same rules must apply to each individual atom.
 
2011-11-05 01:45:25 AM
log_jammin: Wolf892: Lego house goes on the transporter pad. The transporter scans and learns the blueprint of the house. Destroyes the house, somewhere else, takes the elements from the environment and reconfigures them in the exact same blueprint of the lego house.

I don't think so. IIRC the matter that makes up you is what is being "beamed" to the other location.

Mentat: Every atom in your body will be replaced within ten years, so are you the same person you were ten years ago?

there is a theory/debate/argument over that but I can't remember the name of it. something about the wood on a boat being replaced over time making it a completely different boat.


I think the matter is being converted to energy first, actually. Honestly, have Star Trek transporters ever been well explained?

/would hate to have to program one of them
/~1045 bits to keep track of? The buffer must be insane!
 
2011-11-05 01:45:47 AM
Mentat - Every atom in your body will be replaced within ten years, so are you the same person you were ten years ago?


It's an excellent question, I've thought a lot about it myself.

Take it further...

If you replace tiny parts of your brain with chips that replace the function perfectly, do this for years till eventually your entire brain is tech, are you still you? Or are you dead and replaced by a machine? At what percent of brain to tech are you still alive? At what percent are you dead and replaced?
 
2011-11-05 01:46:14 AM
Actually, all energy based attacks (sunlight, fire, etc) would destroy a vampire. So, wouldn't you destroy the vampire on the transporter floor? I'm not hip with the Trekkie jargon, but you know what I'm getting at.
 
2011-11-05 01:47:25 AM
Yes, but it's highly likely that the Vampire would suffer consequences for breaking the prohibition on entering places one is not invited in. This of course assumes that said vampire is of the variety that cannot enter places when not invited.
 
2011-11-05 01:48:03 AM
Only if Scotty were at the controls.
 
2011-11-05 01:48:42 AM
was dammit.

were is for wolves.
 
2011-11-05 01:50:54 AM
log_jammin: I don't think so. IIRC the matter that makes up you is what is being "beamed" to the other location.

But it doesn't; that's why there is a pattern buffer. Your pattern is retained in the buffer, they destroy you, create you somewhere else, then wipe the pattern from the buffer. Your original mass is converted to energy ... at that point, there is nothing left that is "you", unless you can correlate a specific unit of energy to a specific bit of mass somehow.
 
2011-11-05 01:51:08 AM
hawcian: I think the matter is being converted to energy first, actually.

yeah I guess youre right.

hawcian: Honestly, have Star Trek transporters ever been well explained?

well, I know they require pattern buffers and they need to be aligned from time to time.
 
2011-11-05 01:52:43 AM
ArcadianRefugee: unless you can correlate a specific unit of energy to a specific bit of mass somehow.

that's what I believe is supposed to happen.
 
2011-11-05 01:53:04 AM
Tempest2097: Yes, but it's highly likely that the Vampire would suffer consequences for breaking the prohibition on entering places one is not invited in. This of course assumes that said vampire is of the variety that cannot enter places when not invited.

Ah. I see you're playing by Dresden rules.
 
2011-11-05 01:59:45 AM
What if someone beamed a house around the vampire?
 
2011-11-05 02:04:02 AM
HellFace: What if someone beamed a house around the vampire?

Now you are just being unrealistic.
 
2011-11-05 02:08:50 AM
meh, transporters fail all the time, when the plot demands it.

in this case it would fail spectacularly. a panel would explode killing a nearby redshirt.

/remodulate the heisenberg compensators
 
2011-11-05 02:11:28 AM
As soon as I get home from work, I'm going to watch tNG. You farkers made me want to watch it.
 
2011-11-05 02:12:53 AM
Naw, I got it figured out...the transporter buffer would detect an anomoly in the pattern, and to rectify it the transporter would create the "human" and the "demon" as seperate entities. Boom, write it!
 
2011-11-05 02:13:01 AM
Silly question, there is no such thing as vampires.
 
2011-11-05 02:16:12 AM
Wolf892: Naw, I got it figured out...the transporter buffer would detect an anomoly in the pattern, and to rectify it the transporter would create the "human" and the "demon" as seperate entities. Boom, write it!

Oh, gods. Armus again?
 
2011-11-05 02:18:35 AM
Good hell, we're a bunch of nerds. Right now, hundreds of thousands of people are having sex and here WE are debating the teleportation of vampires into houses.

I haz a sad, now.

/Kudos to the Farkers that are having sex AND joining in the discussion.
//All one of you.
 
2011-11-05 02:19:07 AM
I love this thread. You magnificent bastards!
 
2011-11-05 02:20:35 AM
Harry_Seldon - Silly question, there is no such thing as vampires.



Prove it.
 
2011-11-05 02:23:11 AM
Sid_6.7: They did that in one of the Lost Boys sequels.

Vampires are more real to me than Lost Boys sequels.

Sid_6.7: The needing permission thing is based on the rules of hospitality, and if someone else is violating the hospitality, then there isn't much the vampire can do about it. The vampire probably would not really want to be beamed in, but still could be, and could choose to do so.

I'm not yet convinced that they could 'choose' to be transported. I don't see a problem with involuntary transport.

I also didn't see a problem with getting involved in this thread, though, so my judgment may be questionable.
 
2011-11-05 02:25:32 AM
Wolf892: Harry_Seldon - Silly question, there is no such thing as vampires.



Prove it.


" Fellow students. Over the past week there's been a lot of confusion, and so we have asked for this assembly to clarify the difference between Goth kids and Vampire kids. Let us make it abundantly clear: if you hate life, truly hate the sun, and need to smoke and drink coffee, you are Goth. If, however, you like dressing in black 'cause it's "fun," enjoy putting sparkles on your cheeks and following the occult while avoiding things that are bad for your health, then you are most likely a douchebag vampire wannabe boner. Because anybody who thinks they are actually a vampire is freaking retarded."
 
2011-11-05 02:25:36 AM
could you beam a stake into a vampires chest?
 
2011-11-05 02:25:57 AM
nocturn: Actually, all energy based attacks (sunlight, fire, etc) would destroy a vampire.

Kinetic energy doesn't seem to work, unless it's propelling a sharp wooden object into its chest.
 
2011-11-05 02:27:56 AM
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