This is what the anarchists wanted in the first place. The rest of the occupy crowd are too stupid to realize that they are being played as pawns. I love the comments from the guy that is surprised that the cops came in, whining "this is democracy?' Vandalism, arson and general lawlessness will get the cops to come and pay you a visit. That is how a civilized society maintains order. These stupid pawns haven't put two and two together yet.

downpaymentblues: occupy Oakland immediately condemned the arson and vandalism. How is that "not getting it"?

Did that make it stop or go away? The video I saw showed the fires still burning as the cops started marching. Seriously, what the fark is your point anyway?

downpaymentblues: NeoAnderthal: This is what the anarchists wanted in the first place. The rest of the occupy crowd are too stupid to realize that they are being played as pawns. I love the comments from the guy that is surprised that the cops came in, whining "this is democracy?' Vandalism, arson and general lawlessness will get the cops to come and pay you a visit. That is how a civilized society maintains order. These stupid pawns haven't put two and two together yet.

occupy Oakland immediately condemned the arson and vandalism. How is that "not getting it"?

Let me ask you: if some police official "immediately condemned" any brutality taken against Occupy protesters, but did nothing else to prevent future brutality or redress the offenses already committed, would you be satisfied?

gerrymander: downpaymentblues: NeoAnderthal: This is what the anarchists wanted in the first place. The rest of the occupy crowd are too stupid to realize that they are being played as pawns. I love the comments from the guy that is surprised that the cops came in, whining "this is democracy?' Vandalism, arson and general lawlessness will get the cops to come and pay you a visit. That is how a civilized society maintains order. These stupid pawns haven't put two and two together yet.

occupy Oakland immediately condemned the arson and vandalism. How is that "not getting it"?

Let me ask you: if some police official "immediately condemned" any brutality taken against Occupy protesters, but did nothing else to prevent future brutality or redress the offenses already committed, would you be satisfied?

The police can suspend or fire their officers for wrong doing. What should the Occupy people do? Exactly.

downpaymentblues: I'm not sure why you are so angry. I'll just leave you to your anger.

So, you're projecting emotion that you assume to be there? I'm not angry. Think of an "I told you so" coupled with "I saw this coming a mile off" tone and you'll be much closer to where I am on this. Imagine if someone got into a tea party rally and started doing violent, criminal things to make the tea partiers look bad. Do you think the tea partiers would have stopped at a simple "stop doing this. why are you doing this?" Did you notice that those racist signs went away pretty quickly once they were shown? If these occupy groups are going to save any image of being peaceful protesters, they are going to have to repeatedly condemn the anarchists as being criminal thugs and not part of their group. They will then have to remove them from their ranks or this will just start all over again.

/btw, I infer a whiny tone in all of your comments. How accurate am I? Think about it.

If a protest turns violent and police give the warning to disperse, non-violent protesters have a legal duty to leave the area. If they refuse to leave, they are guilty of participating in the riot, whether they "condemn" the violence or not.

SkinnyHead: If a protest turns violent and police give the warning to disperse, non-violent protesters have a legal duty to leave the area. If they refuse to leave, they are guilty of participating in the riot, whether they "condemn" the violence or not.

This

Soup4Bonnie: At the Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a splinter group wearing black clothing and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window before the larger crowd turned on them and forced them to stop.

This is what I've been wondering. Are these similar to those in Egypt that were paid to cause disruption? Possibly plain clothes police officers trying to cause problems from within?

What was the point of shutting down the Port of Oakland, anyway? That was as stupid as setting fire to trash in the street.


Idiocracy becomes more of a documentary every day.

NeoAnderthal: This is what the anarchists wanted in the first place. The rest of the occupy crowd are too stupid to realize that they are being played as pawns. I love the comments from the guy that is surprised that the cops came in, whining "this is democracy?' Vandalism, arson and general lawlessness will get the cops to come and pay you a visit. That is how a civilized society maintains order. These stupid pawns haven't put two and two together yet.

What people don't seem to have put two and two together over is the fact that those "anarchists" are wearing police-issue boots, and are in fact police officers pretending to be anarchists. It's happened over and over, with one of the most obvious cases being the Haymarket protest. Canada got in trouble when they sent in the police to instigate a riot so they could shut it down after the G20 protests.

Just FYI, the term "Black Bloc" means police instigators.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's coming.

Soup4Bonnie: DarthBrooks: What was the point of shutting down the Port of Oakland, anyway?

It was a general strike in response to police brutality. It is strange that you would ask such an easily answered question.

So, the proper response to an act of police brutality is to attack the dockyards.

It's obvious that problem-solving is not part of the Occupy movement's repertoire.

Hasn't it been fairly well established that this Black Bloc group is actually police in anarchist garb?

Like they say, it's not a riot until the riot police show up...

ksdanj: Hasn't it been fairly well established that this Black Bloc group is actually police in anarchist garb?

I wouldn't be surprised, but I haven't read anything about this being the case. Link?

ksdanj: Hasn't it been fairly well established that this Black Bloc group is actually police in anarchist garb?

riiiiiight.

Nice to see the usual fascist apologists in here. Shooting an innocent man in the face with a tear gas canister for protesting is still OK, right?

muck4doo: GAT_00: Nice to see the usual fascist apologists in here. Shooting an innocent man in the face with a tear gas canister for protesting is still OK, right?

Oh, was that the subject of the article?

Nope.

shivashakti: The Occupy movement *is* anarchist. But nonviolent anarchist.

Its not anarchist in the conventional useage of the word, but technically any call against a rule or law is anarchist.

an·ar·chist
[an-er-kist] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who advocates or believes in anarchy or anarchism.
OWS? Nope.

2. a person who seeks to overturn by violence all constituted forms and institutions of society and government, with no purpose of establishing any other system of order in the place of that destroyed.
They're the polar opposite of this

3. a person who promotes disorder or excites revolt against any established rule, law, or custom.
This describes OWS, but I don't think most people think of this definition when someone calls someone or something anarchist.

violentsalvation: muck4doo: GAT_00: Nice to see the usual fascist apologists in here. Shooting an innocent man in the face with a tear gas canister for protesting is still OK, right?

Oh, was that the subject of the article?

Nope.

For the people in here condemning arson who did not condemn shooting an innocent man means they are worthless.

Nadie_AZ: Soup4Bonnie: At the Whole Foods at 27th and Bay streets, a splinter group wearing black clothing and face masks threw paint balls, left graffiti, tore up a fence and broke a window before the larger crowd turned on them and forced them to stop.

This is what I've been wondering. Are these similar to those in Egypt that were paid to cause disruption? Possibly plain clothes police officers trying to cause problems from within?

These were assholes, and mostly skinny young kids visibly different from the cops. There was a rumor that Whole Foods would not let its workers strike. That was false and Whole Foods was totally goody-goody and politically correct as usual. In any case, few if any Whole Foods workers left and the place was open for business which made the general strike people angry. This is a really important detail to keep in mind: Whole Foods was targeted because people were working. How messed up is that?

WhyteRaven74: The Oakland PD set this in motion a week ago by completely overreacting. Well actually the mayor of Oakland set this in motion. It all falls squarely on her shoulders. Let the people protest a week ago, this stuff doesn't happen. You push people, they will push back.

Police always overreact in Oakland. And the people are constantly pushed to the precipice. Sh*t is always ready to jump off in Oakland. The cops have a fine line to toe but they always stumble over it like useless drunken idiots.

War in the streets of Oakland...

The whistles go "WHOOOO WHOOOO"

/you should be up cooking breakfast for someone

American Century For a New American Century is reporting that ACORN has taken to full military regalia and is harassing all passersby to show their voter registration cards. This is not going to end well.

WhyteRaven74: violentsalvation: Sh*t is always ready to jump off in Oakland

I remember thinking what the hell is going on when a mayor decides the proper way to handle people protesting is police in riot gear. First off telling people they couldn't protest is really dumb, then sending out police in riot gear, is even dumber, then not making amends when the police completely screw up, is even dumber.

The riot gear was way over the top, even for Oakland.

I just hope protesters don't start wearing police/riot gear that matches the real guys.

That would be terribly awkward and confusing.

I wonder what the power level of this currently is if measured in milliWatts?

Hm. Anyone know any more than the basic MSDS on how much silver nitrate irritates the eyes? The notion wandered through my noggin of OWS protesters marking troublemakers with a quick spray of Election Ink aerosol to the face, but I expect there's difficulties besides simple logistic supply and dubious legality.

muck4doo: Godscrack: I just hope protesters don't start wearing police/riot gear that matches the real guys.

That would be terribly awkward and confusing.

I hope you're not implying the protesters should impersonate the cops.

Yes. That would be bad. And illegal.