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2011-11-04 07:06:02 PM

MyNameIsMofuga: Ishkur: He wasn't fighting injustice like some dashing revolutionary, he was a fundamentalist terrorist who sought power and control and fark everyone else

So he was a Republican?


No, he was a MARXIST !
 
2011-11-04 07:08:07 PM

Flint Ironstag: Oznog:
Guy Fawkes masks are a dumb cliche. It takes from a deluded, rather childish fantasy of martyring ones' self for "the people" who rally to you for your sheer awesomeness, regardless of who you actually are, which they never know. And apparently "awesomeness" merely being the power to blow things up, which isn't all that hard, really.

Now Rorschach there, that's a bit more appropriate. Because, frankly, even OWS doesn't know what they are asking for, so you see what you wanna see in them. Plus, Rorschach masks can be made individualized, the Fawkes masks are depersonalization. I don't know why a person protesting to send some sort of personal message, remind Wall Street of the personal casualties, wants to depersonalize themselves.

If you are planning to take part in a protest where you could end up being arrested the whole reason to wear masks is to hide your identity. If you make an individual mask you are just making it easier for the police to use video and photographic evidence to identify you and blame something on you.


But:
a) the goal of the protest is lawful, peaceful demonstration. It's inappropriate to come masked or wearing riot gear or whatever if you believe that.
b) the masks are vaguely threatening
c) you might say "well, it's more about not being able to get a job if I get identified and portrayed negatively in a public way". Fine, but how can you even say you're "working for" anything when you won't even sign your name to it??
 
2011-11-04 07:09:23 PM
"They're very meaningful masks," said Alexandra Ricciardelli some moran.
 
2011-11-04 07:10:43 PM
www.solarnavigator.net

Not sure what you did there...
 
2011-11-04 07:11:44 PM
This is my favorite variation of this meme so far (from a pic a friend of mine took at the Occupy Oakland march the other day):

i42.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-04 07:14:11 PM

Obtuse_Otter: Does anyone know what wolfmanjames is babbling about?


I think he is off his meds.

I'll have to confer with Dr. Mrs. Hertz.
 
2011-11-04 07:14:57 PM
So based on the logic being deployed in this thread the Nazis were nice guys because they used an ancient good luck symbol.

Right.
 
2011-11-04 07:16:17 PM
l3.yimg.com

So, what percent cannot spell "united"?
 
2011-11-04 07:17:40 PM

Incog_Neeto: We all know a 5 pointed start means exactly the same thing to everyone over the entire course of human history.


Yep. Ninjas!
 
2011-11-04 07:18:47 PM

HempHead: I think these two may have missed the reason for wearing the masks...


Hiding the shame of their numerous spelling and grammatical errors? Or the shame of being unable to properly use the entire space of a sign?
 
2011-11-04 07:19:26 PM

Mock26: Incog_Neeto: We all know a 5 pointed start means exactly the same thing to everyone over the entire course of human history.

Yep. Ninjas!


Temporary invincibility, dumbass.
 
2011-11-04 07:20:18 PM

KrispyKritter: Incog_Neeto: Are you saying that symbols can change their meaning over time? That's just crazy talk. We all know a 5 pointed start means exactly the same thing to everyone over the entire course of human history.

Incog_Neeto is my fark hero of the day. bless your heart for logic while many others are needlessly repeating what some other farker already.

holy crap, where's a swastika when you need one?

FTA: "It would be hard to imagine Americans one day wearing Timothy McVeigh masks to protest the government or corporate greed." - and i hope he is memorialized as a hero one day. Mr. McVeigh is one of my heroes. First, I don't believe he was guilty as charged, do some reading and see why. 2nd, if he did, good on him. I wish more Americans had the balls to lash out against evil overlords. Bunch of gun owning pussies."


Bwa ha ha ha ha. Sounds like the person from the article does not realize that if he excludes gun owners then he is now only part of the 60%
 
2011-11-04 07:21:46 PM
i42.tinypic.com > Tebow
 
2011-11-04 07:24:58 PM
I think the British mint could create a Guy Fawkes comemorative quarter set, with one limb on each in the series.
 
2011-11-04 07:34:14 PM

twat_waffle: [files.sharenator.com image 320x320]


The OWS people obviously got the idea from Project Chanology, who obviously got the idea from this farker above, who was originally a stick figure who put on the mask for no real reason. Any meanings being discussed are being made up on the spot.
 
2011-11-04 07:41:44 PM

Flint Ironstag: FTA: One was in the left hand of 32-year-old Jason J. Cross - right under a protest sign. He had 20 more stashed in his tent, to be sold at $5 apiece.
"I had 10 here yesterday, and I sold out!" he said.
Cross said he'd purchased 100 of the Chinese-made masks online.

And he's protesting against capitalism?

/Unless he's selling them at cost of course.....


If you're going to put in a bare minimum of effort, then don't bother.
TrollScore: 0/10
 
2011-11-04 07:48:37 PM

Flint Ironstag: And he's protesting against capitalism?


Or maybe you could try paying attention to reality instead of saying stupid things like that.
 
2011-11-04 07:48:47 PM

tinyarena: Well, Corporate "trickle down" Whores have been wearing this mask for over 30 years

img850.imageshack.us


i651.photobucket.com

// obligatory
 
2011-11-04 07:50:50 PM
damn moralfags

Also: damn clueless MSM
 
2011-11-04 07:52:01 PM

Oznog: Now Rorschach there, that's a bit more appropriate. Because, frankly, even OWS doesn't know what they are asking for, so you see what you wanna see in them. Plus, Rorschach masks can be made individualized, the Fawkes masks are depersonalization. I don't know why a person protesting to send some sort of personal message, remind Wall Street of the personal casualties, wants to depersonalize themselves.


Rorschach was a right-wing nutjob whom it would be more appropriate for the TrEAson Party to adopt as a mascot.

Came here for the Fallout reference, though; leaving satisfied.
 
2011-11-04 07:53:08 PM

TravisBickle62: People who wear masks hide behind plastic smiles cannot be trusted

 
2011-11-04 07:53:24 PM

SandMann: I think the British mint could create a Guy Fawkes comemorative quarter set, with one limb on each in the series.


uhhh, hmmm...

perhaps the US Mint might be a bit peeved if the Royal Mint started minting American money
 
2011-11-04 07:55:29 PM

tinyarena: Flint Ironstag:
And he's protesting against capitalism?

no
maybe you should find out what OWS is, before you reply


No shiat. That's some powerful willful stupidity personified right there.
 
2011-11-04 08:00:25 PM

rorypk: I'm a total retard so I think that OWS is protesting all corporations.


Yup. That would explain it.
 
2011-11-04 08:02:15 PM

Ishkur: Guy Fawkes was a religious nutjob who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and establish a tyrannic Catholic theocracy. He wasn't fighting injustice like some dashing revolutionary, he was a fundamentalist terrorist who sought power and control and fark everyone else. Remember that, as you celebrate this momentous occasion.

But now he's a romantic revolutionary like Che Guevara, and I blame /b/, Alan Moore, and historically illiterate anarchist dickheads everywhere.


Yeah, and the swastika didn't used to represent genocide and fascism. Things change, get used to it.
 
2011-11-04 08:06:04 PM

Wolfmanjames: Ishkur: Guy Fawkes was a religious nutjob who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and establish a tyrannic Catholic theocracy.

In other words, he wanted to overthrow a fairly bad system and replace it with one infinitely worse, with him and his cronies in charge.

No wonder why the OWS has taken to him!


Wolfmanjames: skinink: "Guy Fawkes was a freakin terrorist."
Just like the American colonists who fought for their freedom against England.

Terrorists attack noncombattant targets. They don't go out seeking uniformed armies in the field. But keep parroting your mindless cliches.


Despite your naysayers, I like what you did there.
 
2011-11-04 08:06:29 PM

TravisBickle62: People who wear masks cannot be trusted


www.rowthree.com
 
2011-11-04 08:18:35 PM

StoPPeRmobile: What a romanticized terrorist looks like.
[www.americaslibrary.gov image 200x200]


There's a difference between a revolutionary and a terrorist, dipshiat. If you can't recognize that it's on you.
 
2011-11-04 08:32:15 PM

lockers: Guy Fawkes was a religious visionary who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and redeem a nation from heresy. He was fighting injustice like some dashing revolutionary. He was a fundamentally against those who sought power and control and who fark everyone else. Remember that and celebrate this momentous occasion.

But now he's reviled by propagandists, and I blame Republicans, Grover Norquist, and historically illiterate Ishkur.


History is written by the winners

/don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see
 
2011-11-04 08:35:57 PM

Splinshints: Or maybe you could try paying attention to reality instead of saying stupid things like that.


The truth hurts you that much does it?
 
2011-11-04 08:36:11 PM

dittybopper: Ishkur: Guy Fawkes was a religious nutjob who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and establish a tyrannic Catholic theocracy. He wasn't fighting injustice like some dashing revolutionary, he was a fundamentalist terrorist who sought power and control and fark everyone else. Remember that, as you celebrate this momentous occasion.
But now he's a romantic revolutionary like Che Guevara, and I blame /b/, Alan Moore, and historically illiterate anarchist dickheads everywhere.

If it's one thing the OWS doesn't know, it's history.


Except those of us who do. And where to use a comma. And when to mock the ignorant.
 
2011-11-04 08:37:51 PM

etyer: Wolfmanjames: Ishkur: Guy Fawkes was a religious nutjob who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and establish a tyrannic Catholic theocracy.

In other words, he wanted to overthrow a fairly bad system and replace it with one infinitely worse, with him and his cronies in charge.

No wonder why the OWS has taken to him!

Wolfmanjames: skinink: "Guy Fawkes was a freakin terrorist."
Just like the American colonists who fought for their freedom against England.

Terrorists attack noncombattant targets. They don't go out seeking uniformed armies in the field. But keep parroting your mindless cliches.

Despite your naysayers, I like what you did there.


Thanks. At least one person is getting what I am trying to say.
/Sick of folks applying the label 'Terrorist' to any movement they don't like.
 
2011-11-04 08:47:27 PM

Flint Ironstag: And he's protesting against capitalism?


THIS IS WHAT REPUBLICANS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.
 
2011-11-04 08:48:50 PM

Mad_Radhu: Flint Ironstag: FTA: One was in the left hand of 32-year-old Jason J. Cross - right under a protest sign. He had 20 more stashed in his tent, to be sold at $5 apiece.
"I had 10 here yesterday, and I sold out!" he said.
Cross said he'd purchased 100 of the Chinese-made masks online.

And he's protesting against capitalism?

/Unless he's selling them at cost of course.....

Too big to fail banks don't really represent true capitalism, but rather are a corruption of the system. That is what most of the protesters are up in arms about, although I'm sure there probably are at least a few socialists as part of the group. Overall they are just tired of Wall Street pocketing the profits and socialising the losses.


THIS.

Overall, OWS/99% is not about demanding some communist revolution or anything like that (despite what derpers will claim and FOX News is trying to spin this as), it's about people being sick and tired of a system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and Wall Street is set up to keep fueling the system. It is not protests by nothing but unemployed "hippies" demanding endless handouts because they refuse to work and more "Big Government" to fix EVERYTHING (like I also see derpers on Fark and Facebook and elsewhere online describe it as).

You'll find a few oddballs here and there, because it's a large, decentralized movement without astroturfed leadership, Koch Brothers funding, and the tacit backing of a major political party. If some yahoo wants to show up and demand a communist revolution, he might just do it, but he won't get the crowd behind him.

A Megabank has good business and earns a profit, thanks to tax loopholes they pay almost no taxes on that money. A Megabank has bad business and almost fails, Government steps in saying they are "too big to fail" and give them a pile of money so the banks still turn a profit. No matter what happens, the rich in this equation get richer and stay richer.

Meanwhile more people lose their jobs, are worried about losing their jobs, are seeing their wages erode to inflation, and are slowly getting deeper and deeper into debt just to stay afloat. Degrees are coming up nigh worthless, paid for by student loans by a generation that was told since childhood that going to college and getting a Bachelor's Degree all but guaranteed a good career.

The jobs people are looking for have been shipped overseas as part of "globalization" through "free trade" which we were told was very important and would all work out well in the end. . .and now our factories are closed and moved to China and when you call to complain you end up talking to "Bob" who is really in India.

They wonder why people are upset? Did they really think that World of Warcraft, Dancing with the Stars, and Harry Potter would keep the people complacent forever as modern day "bread and circuses"?
 
2011-11-04 08:52:14 PM

Wolfmanjames: etyer: Wolfmanjames: Ishkur: Guy Fawkes was a religious nutjob who tried to overthrow the English monarchy and establish a tyrannic Catholic theocracy.

In other words, he wanted to overthrow a fairly bad system and replace it with one infinitely worse, with him and his cronies in charge.

No wonder why the OWS has taken to him!

Wolfmanjames: skinink: "Guy Fawkes was a freakin terrorist."
Just like the American colonists who fought for their freedom against England.

Terrorists attack noncombattant targets. They don't go out seeking uniformed armies in the field. But keep parroting your mindless cliches.

Despite your naysayers, I like what you did there.

Thanks. At least one person is getting what I am trying to say.
/Sick of folks applying the label 'Terrorist' to any movement they don't like.



You are friggen insane. You are the one who is labeling. We just pointed out that you don't even know what a terrorist is.
 
2011-11-04 08:53:26 PM
Fawkes took the blame. He was a fairly minor conspirator.

Look up 'Gunpowder Plot' if you like.

Guy Fawkes masks were around long before the film, by the way.
 
2011-11-04 08:54:59 PM

Silverstaff:
Too big to fail banks don't really represent true capitalism, but rather are a corruption of the system. That is what most of the protesters are up in arms about, although I'm sure there probably are at least a few socialists as part of the group. Overall they are just tired of Wall Street pocketing the profits and socialising the losses.

THIS:

Overall, OWS/99% is not about demanding some communist revolution or anything like that (despite what derpers will claim and FOX News is trying to spin this as), it's about people being sick and tired of a system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and Wall Street is set up to keep fueling the system. It is not protests by nothing but unemployed "hippies" demanding endless handouts because they refuse to work and more "Big Government" to fix EVERYTHING (like I also see derpers on Fark and Facebook and elsewhere online describe it as).

You'll find a few oddballs here and there, because it's a large, decentralized movement without astroturfed leadership, Koch Brothers funding, and the tacit backing of a major political party. If some yahoo wants to show up and demand a communist revolution, he might just do it, but he won't get the crowd behind him.

A Megabank has good business and earns a profit, thanks to tax loopholes they pay almost no taxes on that money. A Megabank has bad business and almost fails, Government steps in saying they are "too big to fail" and give them a pile of money so the banks still turn a profit. No matter what happens, the rich in this equation get richer and stay richer.

Meanwhile more people lose their jobs, are worried about losing their jobs, are seeing their wages erode to inflation, and are slowly getting deeper and deeper into debt just to stay afloat. Degrees are coming up nigh worthless, paid for by student loans by a generation that was told since childhood that going to college and getting a Bachelor's Degree all but guaranteed a good career.

The jobs people are looking for have been shipped overseas as part of "globalization" through "free trade" which we were told was very important and would all work out well in the end. . .and now our factories are closed and moved to China and when you call to complain you end up talking to "Bob" who is really in India.

They wonder why people are upset? Did they really think that World of Warcraft, Dancing with the Stars, and Harry Potter would keep the people complacent forever as modern day "bread and circuses"?


Your accurate and common-sense reply will likely get derped out of existance, but there are some of us who witnessed the post before it hit the event horizon.
 
2011-11-04 08:55:44 PM

Wolfmanjames: Thanks. At least one person is getting what I am trying to say.
/Sick of folks applying the label 'Terrorist' to any movement they don't like.


Yeah, you would think people could take a clue from the word 'terror' being in there. Terrorist do not seek military objectives, even though they may use a military target. Their objectives reveal legitimacy on the battlefield. When you don't seek attrition, and a busy market place can work just as well for your target, you might be a terrorist. -Jeff Foxworthy
 
2011-11-04 08:59:40 PM

Mock26: [l3.yimg.com image 630x387]

So, what percent cannot spell "united"?


Or spell "their". Or use the proper form of "its".
 
2011-11-04 09:01:07 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-04 09:02:55 PM

DustBunny: Guy Fawkes was a member of a tiny catholic minority in a very protestant country.


Tiny Catholic minority? WTF? Just 150 years before, England was an entirely catholic country. 50 years prior, the English monarch was Catholic. Henry and Elizabeth's reigns were marked by several religious uprisings. One of the reasons James was able to ascend to the throne in the first place was because Catholics supported him thinking that he would bring religious tolerance back to England. That he didn't was the prime reason the Gunpowder Plot happened. If Catholicism was a minority in England, it was because the Tudors spent most of their time killing priests, pillaging monasteries, and terrifying the populace into publicly renouncing their faith.
 
2011-11-04 09:03:10 PM
Sorry I'm late. What did I miss?

/I got nothin' tonight
//except slashies
///and beer
 
2011-11-04 09:13:56 PM
Jesus was originally a criminal.
Then someone wrote a book about him and made him the hero.
Go figure.
 
2011-11-04 09:14:35 PM
what's the meaning behind all the "capitalism is crisis" signs? can anyone offer a good explanation?
 
2011-11-04 09:14:53 PM
Anonymous vs. the occupy movements, GO!
 
2011-11-04 09:16:48 PM

GuyFawkes: What did I miss?


King James
 
2011-11-04 09:20:02 PM
uberhumor.com
 
2011-11-04 09:22:24 PM

Silverstaff: Mad_Radhu: Flint Ironstag: FTA: One was in the left hand of 32-year-old Jason J. Cross - right under a protest sign. He had 20 more stashed in his tent, to be sold at $5 apiece.
"I had 10 here yesterday, and I sold out!" he said.
Cross said he'd purchased 100 of the Chinese-made masks online.

And he's protesting against capitalism?

/Unless he's selling them at cost of course.....

Too big to fail banks don't really represent true capitalism, but rather are a corruption of the system. That is what most of the protesters are up in arms about, although I'm sure there probably are at least a few socialists as part of the group. Overall they are just tired of Wall Street pocketing the profits and socialising the losses.

THIS.

Overall, OWS/99% is not about demanding some communist revolution or anything like that (despite what derpers will claim and FOX News is trying to spin this as), it's about people being sick and tired of a system where the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and Wall Street is set up to keep fueling the system. It is not protests by nothing but unemployed "hippies" demanding endless handouts because they refuse to work and more "Big Government" to fix EVERYTHING (like I also see derpers on Fark and Facebook and elsewhere online describe it as).

You'll find a few oddballs here and there, because it's a large, decentralized movement without astroturfed leadership, Koch Brothers funding, and the tacit backing of a major political party. If some yahoo wants to show up and demand a communist revolution, he might just do it, but he won't get the crowd behind him.

A Megabank has good business and earns a profit, thanks to tax loopholes they pay almost no taxes on that money. A Megabank has bad business and almost fails, Government steps in saying they are "too big to fail" and give them a pile of money so the banks still turn a profit. No matter what happens, the rich in this equation get richer and stay richer.


This is not what happened in the UK. When the British government rescued the first bank to fail, Northern Rock, it nationalised it, so the shareholders Lost everything.
When they rescued Lloyds TSB, HBOS and RBS they did so in return for shares, diluting existing shareholders Link

They didn't just hand over money. Lloyds TSB was a sad case since they had for years been very conservatively run and had no toxic assets. When other banks started to fail they were sound. But then Gordon Brown persuaded them to bail out and merge with HBOS (from Brown's Scottish base) and they then discovered after merging that HBOS's losses were far bigger than they thought and so dragged the whole of LTSB down and led to the bailout.

OWS is anti-capitalist. The "excesses" of Wall St are part of the system. You want capitalism but without the huge profits and wealth at the top? Tough. That's like wanting chemotherapy but not wanting to lose your hair. It is part of the package. Limit the chemo so it won't make your hair fall out and it won't cure your cancer.
If they are not paying enough taxes that is the governments fault for agreeing to loopholes. Protest against them.
 
2011-11-04 09:41:15 PM

Mock26: [l3.yimg.com image 630x387]

So, what percent cannot spell "united"?


The government should be afraid of it is people.
 
2011-11-04 09:43:06 PM

birchman: GuyFawkes: What did I miss?

King James


Hah! Thanks for that, I needed a laugh tonight!

/not a fan of the actual GF
//liked the movie quite a bit
///also couldn't decide on a proper username and this is what I came up with
 
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