There are five nines!!!! How many do you see now??!!?!

ltdanman44: There are five nines!!!! How many do you see now??!!?!

That's almost four tens.

And that's terrible.

If we repeal all the anti-rape laws, there is a chance you still might not get raped.

Mr. Cain I want to know more about your 6969 plan. You have the gift of the tongue, use it.

People Who'd Pay Higher Taxes Under 9-9-9 Think They'd Pay Lower Taxes


Under 9-9-9, poor people pay higher taxes. Families making between $20,000 and $50,000 would see their annual tax bills go up by more than $3000. Families making more than $1 million would get tax cuts averaging out at $581,000.

Didn't Cain lay out a loophole to prevent this? Sort of. Two weeks ago he declared that, under 9-9-9, some blighted areas would be viewed as "empowerment zones," which some exemptions from 9-9-9. The key words are "blighted areas." Nowhere in Iowa is going to qualify as an empowerment zone.


Link (new window)

/These voters make my head hurt.

globalwarmingpraiser: Johnson supporter.

...so you'll either be voting 3rd party, writing in Johnson, not voting for POTUS at all, or voting for Obama then? 'Cause Johnson ain't getting the nomination. He's too sane for the GOP at this moment.

Sleeping Monkey: jj325: It's possible employers would pay employees more if the employer pays less in taxes, Sandvick said, and tangible goods could cost less because of lower corporate taxes.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is what republicans actually believe.

Oh but they leave out that their employer would NOW be paying taxes on payroll where right now they do not. So they are stupid and wrong.

Under 999 business almost pay no taxes EXCEPT for payroll which right now is tax deductible. How would that help employment?

HighOnCraic: People Who'd Pay Higher Taxes Under 9-9-9 Think They'd Pay Lower Taxes


Under 9-9-9, poor people pay higher taxes. Families making between $20,000 and $50,000 would see their annual tax bills go up by more than $3000. Families making more than $1 million would get tax cuts averaging out at $581,000.

Didn't Cain lay out a loophole to prevent this? Sort of. Two weeks ago he declared that, under 9-9-9, some blighted areas would be viewed as "empowerment zones," which some exemptions from 9-9-9. The key words are "blighted areas." Nowhere in Iowa is going to qualify as an empowerment zone.


Link (new window)

/These voters make my head hurt.

Oh, it's dumber than that,

"As late as Thursday afternoon, Cain's campaign website made only a few broad references to "empowerment zones," with specificity lacking. One late change the campaign made - with Cain's expressed approval - was to switch from the term "empowerment zones" to "opportunity zones." The Cain team decided the word "empowerment" is too closely associated with liberal politics."

There likely would be* three 9s as far as Iowa voters are concerned; Cain has only claimed he would remove all income taxes in the first phase from empowerment zones (of which there are currently none in Iowa), which he would rename opportunity zones because empowerment is too liberal a phrase. Instead of these areas receiving special government grants or tax credits, the individuals would not be subject to income taxes if they agree to suspend a number of regulations designed to protect workers or the environment in order to attract new companies into the area (the zones would have to get approval from the federal government that those changes would be significant enough to obtain the benefit.)

* - "likely would be" refers to the unlikely event a Cain Administration could EVER get such an overhaul passed.

Corvus: Sleeping Monkey: jj325: It's possible employers would pay employees more if the employer pays less in taxes, Sandvick said, and tangible goods could cost less because of lower corporate taxes.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is what republicans actually believe.

Oh but they leave out that their employer would NOW be paying taxes on payroll where right now they do not. So they are stupid and wrong.

Under 999 business almost pay no taxes EXCEPT for payroll which right now is tax deductible. How would that help employment?

Well isn't it obvious? No taxes means more profit. More profit means businesses will consider hiring people. It's not like they will sit on the money or shove it into offshore bank accounts, pretty much plugging up the trickle-down.

Just how up to date are Iowa Republicans on the election?

Fixed that for you, subby. Plenty of us can see right through this crap, but probably wouldn't have voted Republican in the first place.

/I know... doesn't make these people any smarter

sprawl15: HighOnCraic: People Who'd Pay Higher Taxes Under 9-9-9 Think They'd Pay Lower Taxes


Under 9-9-9, poor people pay higher taxes. Families making between $20,000 and $50,000 would see their annual tax bills go up by more than $3000. Families making more than $1 million would get tax cuts averaging out at $581,000.

Didn't Cain lay out a loophole to prevent this? Sort of. Two weeks ago he declared that, under 9-9-9, some blighted areas would be viewed as "empowerment zones," which some exemptions from 9-9-9. The key words are "blighted areas." Nowhere in Iowa is going to qualify as an empowerment zone.


Link (new window)

/These voters make my head hurt.

Oh, it's dumber than that,
"As late as Thursday afternoon, Cain's campaign website made only a few broad references to "empowerment zones," with specificity lacking. One late change the campaign made - with Cain's expressed approval - was to switch from the term "empowerment zones" to "opportunity zones." The Cain team decided the word "empowerment" is too closely associated with liberal politics."

I don't care if Herman Cain had his genitals burned off in an industrial accident, thus preventing him from ever getting involved in a sex scandal,* he should never have been taken seriously as a presidential candidate based on his ideas and lack of understanding about what the job entails.


*Wasn't there a SNL skit with Will Farrell playing a character like that?

globalwarmingpraiser: Vodka Zombie: globalwarmingpraiser: Southerners know blacks and they ate often good Christian folks.

Everything tastes good when you deep fry it, man.

Yep.
/Southern
//

Johnson supporter.

The last real Democratic Pres. we've had.

I think the 999 plan is awesome marketing. Who opposes Cain and the 999 plan? Democrats!!! Whats the opposite of 999? 666!!! WHARRGGBBLL!!!!

/serious born again xians? why you supporting Cain? The mark of Cain? The mark of thebeast? 999??? frak I'm taoist-agnostic and even I see it!

Look at the turnout at an Iowa UNIVERSITY to hear Bachmann. No wonder it is the "heartland". It certainly isn't the brainland.

whither_apophis: globalwarmingpraiser: Vodka Zombie: globalwarmingpraiser: Southerners know blacks and they ate often good Christian folks.

Everything tastes good when you deep fry it, man.

Yep.
/Southern
//

Johnson supporter.

The last real Democratic Pres. we've had.

And the GOP is currently looking for a candidate to the right of Goldwater, because what could possibly go wrong?

WizardofToast:
Well isn't it obvious? No taxes means more profit. More profit means businesses will consider hiring people. It's not like they will sit on the money or shove it into offshore bank accounts, pretty much plugging up the trickle-down.

Or buy back stock (new window)

WizardofToast: Well isn't it obvious? No taxes means more profit. More profit means businesses will consider hiring people. It's not like they will sit on the money or shove it into offshore bank accounts, pretty much plugging up the trickle-down.

They need to call Joe the plummer. There's too many dollars and they need to be rooted out so the change can fall from the sky.

FlashHarry: FTA:

Two-thirds of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers earning less than $50,000 a year believe they personally would be better off or in the same situation under Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll shows.


a subset of a subset of a subset of a subset. you know, morons.

The common clay of the midwest?

/I seem recall similar numbers for those who believed they would one day be impacted by estate taxes vs. the number of people who are actually impacted by estate taxes.
//"I hear that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." --Herman Cain

FlashHarry: FTA:

Two-thirds of likely Iowa Republican caucusgoers earning less than $50,000 a year believe they personally would be better off or in the same situation under Herman Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan, The Des Moines Register's new Iowa Poll shows.


a subset of a subset of a subset of a subset. you know, morons.

I'm more interested in the results of unlikely Iowa Republican caucus goers with brown hair who earn between $50,001 and $52,250.That's where the real Americans tend to reside.

So there aren't three nines anymore subby? Do you just assume everyone is below the poverty line?

aearra: Look at the turnout at an Iowa UNIVERSITY to hear Bachmann. No wonder it is the "heartland". It certainly isn't the brainland.

Given the cuisine, are you sure its not the 'heart disease land'?

Lived there. Was the first time I ever saw mashed potatoes and mac & cheese in a Chinese buffet.

whither_apophis: globalwarmingpraiser: Vodka Zombie: globalwarmingpraiser: Southerners know blacks and they ate often good Christian folks.

Everything tastes good when you deep fry it, man.

Yep.
/Southern
//

Johnson supporter.

The last real Democratic Pres. we've had.

Tru dat. And ironically sunk by a neoconservative war.

HighOnCraic:

//"I hear that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." --Herman Cain

That comment is right on the money.

You got to love the comments in the article defending the 999 plan, especially this one.

This article is just another pile of false poo. Just because the media writes an article saying it is so, doesn't mean it is so. Replacing the HIDDEN 35% corporate tax with 9%, means you will now pay 26% LESS for your goods. The 9% sales tax is only applied to new goods... here is a clue... buy used, we do all the time. Thrift stores rock! 9% income tax is way better than the 25%-28% we are used to. Plus it gets rid of all the double and triple taxes on gifts and (when you die) your estate. Why not keep that money in the family or give to private charities? Why give it to the government where it will just disappear through the cracks and never help a single person. Stop accepting the fact that we are slaves to our government. The federal government is supposed to to serve us, the citizens.

Sorry buddy I'm not buying my food used.

I was watchng CNN this morning and a couple of times they mentioned how cain wanted to get back to talking about his 9-9-9 plan.

and they get paid to know this stuff.

Can't really lay to much blame on Iowianiansians when the media keeps making the mistakes

Many of them believe in many things.

Spanky_McFarksalot: I was watchng CNN this morning and a couple of times they mentioned how cain wanted to get back to talking about his 9-9-9 plan.

and they get paid to know this stuff.

Can't really lay to much blame on Iowianiansians when the media keeps making the mistakes

So, Cain wants to dodge his past by talking about his idiotic idea that isn't going to get off the ground, even if he does get elected, instead of the fact that he settled on two sexual harrasment cases? The two sexual harrasment cases the media are talking about, instead of his failure that is the 999 plan.

ongbok: Sorry buddy I'm not buying my food used.

You obviously have never tried a Go-Go-Taquito.

JLEM: Many of them believe in many things.



We believe in things. Things that make us go