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2011-11-04 10:16:05 AM
Was the "Obvious" tag on vacation or something? Oh, I see it there. Nevermind. Carry-on.
 
2011-11-04 10:21:47 AM
Even Conservatives Think Republicans Are Sabotaging the Economy to Hurt Obama

Happens when the patently obvious kicks you in the teeth fora year or so.
 
2011-11-04 10:25:43 AM

This will come up.

What's interesting isn't just that half of all voters think the answer is yes, it's the breakdown: a quarter of all Republicans and a third of all conservatives also think the answer is yes. In other words, this isn't just a liberal conspiracy theory. Even a lot of conservatives recognize what's going on. I wouldn't make too much of a single state poll, but those numbers are high enough that they might represent a glimmering recognition of something that's only been Beltway chatter up to now.

It has been more of a glimmering recognition outside of the beltway. Though, the media and their positively shiate performance as the fourth estate shoulders some of the blame here.
 
2011-11-04 10:40:05 AM
Of course. Party before Country. Its their motto.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2011-11-04 10:41:44 AM
I don't think it is a "glimmering recognition", I think that third has assumed from the beginning that Republicans were sabotaging the economy and they approve.
 
2011-11-04 10:48:53 AM
vpb: I don't think it is a "glimmering recognition", I think that third has assumed from the beginning that Republicans were sabotaging the economy and they approve.

It is when republicans (in florida) are thinking that.
 
2011-11-04 10:57:26 AM
I know some conservatives who admit that they are and love every minute of it.
 
2011-11-04 11:02:28 AM
We're all on an airplane with a kamikaze pilot.
 
2011-11-04 11:04:52 AM
vernonFL: Of course. Party before Country. Its their motto.

Well if you you ain't rich it's your own fault for not being willing to cut off your leg.

/ better not be obscure to you
 
2011-11-04 11:05:34 AM
Heard it on the Diane Rehm show this very morning. Of course, the person acknowledging this position also pointed out that it is the Republicans' "job" to tank Obama. I think that's kind of ridiculous, but whatever.
 
2011-11-04 11:06:44 AM
even conservatives

What, like there's anyone else down there?
 
2011-11-04 11:06:57 AM
They said yes, but did they disagree with the plan?
 
2011-11-04 11:07:06 AM
Even 34% of conservatives can be wrong when you carefully word a question I suppose.

If the Republicans wanted to harm the economy, they would be on board with Obama, not opposed to him, but as they and everyone else has figured out that "stimulus" and "job creation" for Obama means "slush fund for unions and campaign donors", they're opposed to spending another huge chunk of money.

And what's really funny is that the latest excuse to come out of the Obama administration? It's not their fault, it's the state and local governments fault, because they didn't have the means and methods to spend that money quickly enough! I think you better tell Paul Krugman and other liberals that have been screaming that the stimulus worked "just fine" but it wasn't large enough that they've been wrong all this time... Because apparently if it had been larger the state and local government would have even more money that they couldn't spend fast enough or something.

As stated, the best thing Obama could do for the economy would be the announce he is not running for reelection.
 
2011-11-04 11:07:27 AM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Heard it on the Diane Rehm show this very morning. Of course, the person acknowledging this position also pointed out that it is the Republicans' "job" to tank Obama. I think that's kind of ridiculous, but whatever.

It's not kind of ridiculous, it is totally ridiculous. Your political parties aren't there to beat each other, they are there to make the country better. Different visions, same goal. (theoretically)
 
2011-11-04 11:07:29 AM
Please. What's more likely is that Taxbongo is purposefully secretly tanking the economy so that people think it the REPUBLICANS who are purposefully tanking the economy. Is there no end to his deception?
 
2011-11-04 11:11:48 AM
They'll burn down this village to save it.
Also, there's a black man in the white house. derp. derp. wink-wink.

/And how about these insurance shills going on about the atmosphere of "economic uncertainty" and about how it costs businesses $15,000 per person for health care insurance when I can go online and find individual health care insurance for 170 bucks a month from blue cross.
//What would happen if businesses didn't have to bear the costs of health care insurance any more? SOCIALISM!
//USA is the planet of the apes.
 
2011-11-04 11:12:53 AM
CanadianConservative: It's not kind of ridiculous, it is totally ridiculous. Your political parties aren't there to beat each other, they are there to make the country better. Different visions, same goal. (theoretically)

Like most Irishmen, I communicate mostly through drunken slurs and unnecessary understatement. I'm well aware it's completely insane to think the job of the minority party is to try to fark everything up so they can stop being the minority party.
 
2011-11-04 11:13:02 AM
randomjsa: If the Republicans wanted to harm the economy,

One of the best ways to harm the American economy right now would be tax cuts and the dismantling of public safety nets, along with stonewalling any actual work getting done in DC.

Which happen to be cornerstones of the current Republican regime, so it seems that saying they're willingly harming the economy would be quite apt.
 
2011-11-04 11:13:46 AM
Sabotaging the economy is a cloward/piven strategy - just the kind of change this administration wants.
 
2011-11-04 11:14:40 AM
Gen. Patton Harvey Oswalt: Please. What's more likely is that Taxbongo is purposefully secretly tanking the economy so that people think it the REPUBLICANS who are purposefully tanking the economy.

I think the last administration already took care of that.
 
2011-11-04 11:14:51 AM
randomjsa:
As stated, the best thing Obama could do for the economy would be the announce he is not running for reelection.


My thoughts exactly - we need a real liberal in office not a right-of-center-Reagan-Part-II president like Obama...
 
2011-11-04 11:16:41 AM
Sounds like a great use for treason charges, if it could be proven.

/Or guillotines.
 
2011-11-04 11:17:08 AM
2012 should have been a slam dunk year for the GOP. But their flavor of the week candidates, complete inaction in Congress, delusional belief that everyone hates Obama and wants the US to be a staunchly Christian/Conservative country, is turning more and more people against them every day. The election is still a year away, and impossible to predict, but I don't see a majority of American voters going for any of the announced GOP candidates. With the exception of Romney. I'm also convinced that if Romney gets the nomination a 3rd party candidate will emerge. Some attention whore, probably from Alaska, who will seal the deal for Obama.
 
2011-11-04 11:17:54 AM
Maybe we shouldn't be complaining when republicans put forward codswollop bills like the one to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the motto of America. At least when they're focused on inane, pointless, time wasting and unnecessary stuff like that they aren't ACTIVELY trying to rape this country.
 
2011-11-04 11:18:45 AM
jj325: 2012 should have been a slam dunk year for the GOP.

Really, 2008 should have been an easy win for the GOP as well. Some random black guy with a scary foreign name managed to beat John McCain? That still boggles my mind how many things McCain totally farked up to manage that astounding feat.
 
2011-11-04 11:19:05 AM
Elzar: My thoughts exactly - we need a real liberal in office not a right-of-center-Reagan-Part-II president like Obama...

Exactly why I was thinking of voting Republican this time. If only the Republicans could find someone that values intelligence instead of garish charm
 
2011-11-04 11:20:08 AM
Elzar

randomjsa:
As stated, the best thing Obama could do for the economy would be the announce he is not running for reelection.

My thoughts exactly - we need a real liberal in office not a right-of-center-Reagan-Part-II president like Obama...


What a real liberal might look like.
bsimmons.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-11-04 11:20:15 AM
jj325: I'm also convinced that if Romney gets the nomination a 3rd party candidate will emerge. Some attention whore, probably from Alaska, who will seal the deal for Obama.

The delicious irony (nom) is that if the republicans put up Huntsman- the best candidate they have- many disillusioned dems would flock to him and Obama would be toast. But they're too scared to upset the teabaggers, and so must ignore the sanest and most generally electable person they have.
 
2011-11-04 11:22:52 AM
CanadianConservative: Your political parties aren't there to beat each other, they are there to make the country better.

Uh maybe yours are but I have some sad news for you from south of the border
 
2011-11-04 11:23:11 AM
If he wasn't the worst President ever, they would not have to resort to such things.
 
2011-11-04 11:23:35 AM
Well, yeah, this GOP plan has been explicit even before President Obama was inaugurated. Republicans (not racists, but number one with racists) can not tolerate a successful black man in the White House. The GOP might appear to tolerate the Koch puppet, Herman Cain, but he won't be nominated.

In Republican fantasy America blacks are stupid and unqualified. Were President Obama to turn the economy around and create jobs--where Bush failed for eight years, his competence in this aspect of his presidency would show the bigotry is a lie. For most folks the bigotry has already been shown to be lie in the international terrorist hunt, but the GOP claims that was all due to Bush's careful preparation.

These bigots want the American economy to stink to high heaven. Just as long as it paints Obama as a failure. They will continue to sabotage the economy as long as President Obama is in office. The country is hurting from unemployment and foreclosures. Look to the actions of the Republican party to see if the GOP thinks that there is a problem.
 
2011-11-04 11:23:56 AM
tomcatadam: randomjsa: If the Republicans wanted to harm the economy,

One of the best ways to harm the American economy right now would be tax cuts and the dismantling of public safety nets, along with stonewalling any actual work getting done in DC.

Which happen to be cornerstones of the current Republican regime, so it seems that saying they're willingly harming the economy would be quite apt.


Actually, tax cuts won't hurt the economy, they just haven't proved to be a very effective form of stimulus every time it's been tried since Kennedy. Contractionary policy hurts the economy: austerity measures, whatever you think of the principles behind them, have a short term effect of harming the economy. Tax cuts and spending increases can cause short term expansion if done through growing the deficit, a long term concern in general but not as troubling in our current situation considering demand for US Treasury notes is high enough that we can offer negative interest rates and still sell them.


Anyway, as far as the link, of course Republicans know that. Remember the Tea Party group advocating businesses hire no one else and slow the economy for the next election? They know it will hurt, but it is all for...

z31-ae.com
/hot like the fuzz
 
2011-11-04 11:24:18 AM
karnal: What a real liberal might look like.

What an American radical communist socialist fascist totalitarian super-left-wing extremist Liberal looks like.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-11-04 11:26:40 AM
This has been fairly obvious for some time...

The GOP became unhinged right after the 2008 elections and havn't looked back since.

Hell, McConnell even said their number one priority was making sure Obama was a one-termer.

If they have to put millions of Americans in further financial distress to achieve that goal, that is apparently quite acceptable to the GOP.

It's despicable and they should all be ashamed of their "Party before Country" mentality, but the GOP has amply demonstrated they possess neither shame nor decency.
 
2011-11-04 11:26:44 AM
Grungehamster: tax cuts won't hurt the economy,

I was saying it under the assumption that they are correlated directly to budget and social program (i.e. employment programs, food for needy families, etc.) cuts.

If the programs continued while just attributing their costs to debt instead of paying for them with the original tax money (or just cutting them instead) then the short-term economy would actually not get hurt.

Of course, it'd be greatly harmed long term as you mention, but far more harm would be done in cutting essential programs.
 
2011-11-04 11:27:04 AM
Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: the person acknowledging this position also pointed out that it is the Republicans' "job" to tank Obama.

What a douche... It's the Republican's job to help LEAD this country, and the way you do that is by maintaining a balance, not actively sabotaging it so your selfish party can swing everything in exactly the way they want. What a bunch of self centered a-holes, they all deserve to be strung up and left for the crows to eat the juicy eyeballs out of their sockets. Whatever happened to the REAL Republican Party? Did it die in '68 or what? The only one of these Presidential contenders I can even stand is Huntsman, and as far as getting elected, he doesn't stand a 99 percenter's chance of making a million before they die...
 
2011-11-04 11:27:46 AM
And I hope when it comes to the election they utterly reject this destructive strategery. The opposition party is supposed to oppose the government, not the country.
 
2011-11-04 11:28:04 AM
randomjsa: Even 34% of conservatives can be wrong when you carefully word a question I suppose.

If the Republicans wanted to harm the economy, they would be on board with Obama, not opposed to him, but as they and everyone else has figured out that "stimulus" and "job creation" for Obama means "slush fund for unions and campaign donors", they're opposed to spending another huge chunk of money.

And what's really funny is that the latest excuse to come out of the Obama administration? It's not their fault, it's the state and local governments fault, because they didn't have the means and methods to spend that money quickly enough! I think you better tell Paul Krugman and other liberals that have been screaming that the stimulus worked "just fine" but it wasn't large enough that they've been wrong all this time... Because apparently if it had been larger the state and local government would have even more money that they couldn't spend fast enough or something.

As stated, the best thing Obama could do for the economy would be the announce he is not running for reelection.


Were there a lot of paint fumes in your house as a child?
 
2011-11-04 11:28:29 AM
I no longer think it matters who wins in 2012.
Legislative and regulatory capture is complete and the giant pipelines leading from the U.S. treasury to private bank accounts are constructed and flowing.

/Everybody needs to stop feeding the beast with money.
 
2011-11-04 11:28:56 AM
tomcatadam: What an American radical communist socialist fascist totalitarian super-left-wing extremist Liberal looks like.

i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-04 11:30:24 AM
tomcatadam

karnal: What a real liberal might look like.

What an American radical communist socialist fascist totalitarian super-left-wing extremist Liberal looks like.


Nixon did a lot as president, besides the negative his adminstation was responsible for Environmental Protection Agency, Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and he opened relations with China....to name just a few.


/what has your messiah done?
 
2011-11-04 11:30:28 AM
The GOP acted like Grade A farking assholes the whole time Clinton was in there, I've just never seen them this angry before. They don't understand that Bush and Reagan caused most of the problems that still bother us today.
 
2011-11-04 11:31:25 AM
What was their first clue? The GOP expressing its #1 priority as making Obama a 1-term President, which naturally means any economic improvement is detrimental to their stated agenda?

It's not rocket science. The worse they can make things for you, the better they can make things for themselves. The GOP has declared war on the American people.
 
2011-11-04 11:31:39 AM
tomcatadam: karnal: What a real liberal might look like.

What an American radical communist socialist fascist totalitarian super-left-wing extremist Liberal looks like.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 485x585]


Yes, Obama's governing to the right of Nixon.
Sad but true.
 
2011-11-04 11:32:07 AM
sprawl15: That still boggles my mind how many things McCain totally farked up to manage that astounding feat.

Really he just farked up one thing... Sarah Palin. Even with his extreme pandering to the far Right, he probably would have been elected if he hadn't dug up that illiterate retard to remind us of just how much damage a truly idiotic President can do(Bush).
 
2011-11-04 11:32:30 AM
Koalaesq: Maybe we shouldn't be complaining when republicans put forward codswollop bills like the one to reaffirm "In God We Trust" as the motto of America. At least when they're focused on inane, pointless, time wasting and unnecessary stuff like that they aren't ACTIVELY trying to rape this country.

Don't forget they were debating a commemorative coin as well.
 
2011-11-04 11:32:39 AM
Jake Havechek

The GOP acted like Grade A farking assholes the whole time Clinton was in there, I've just never seen them this angry before. They don't understand that Bush and Reagan caused most of the problems that still bother us today make me cry myself to sleep every night.



FTFY....put your big girl panties on and get over it.
 
2011-11-04 11:32:54 AM
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
 
2011-11-04 11:33:40 AM
vpb: I don't think it is a "glimmering recognition", I think that third has assumed from the beginning that Republicans were sabotaging the economy and they approve.

birchman: I know some conservatives who admit that they are and love every minute of it.

randomjsa: If the Republicans wanted to harm the economy, they would be on board with Obama, not opposed to him, but as they and everyone else has figured out that "stimulus" and "job creation" for Obama means "slush fund for unions and campaign donors", they're opposed to spending another huge chunk of money.

HotIgneous Intruder: They'll burn down this village to save it.
Also, there's a black man in the white house. derp. derp. wink-wink.


It reminds me of what happened to Chile when Salvador Allende (a socialist candidate) won the popular election. The conservatives torpedoed the Chilean economy and instigated a military coup. Want to know who encouraged them and helped? The Nixon administration assisted, in the interest of preserving American mineral interests in the country.

Because I know conservatives have done it before in another country, I think they'd do it again here. Thankfully, between the Tea Party (much as I am loathe to admit they can be useful) and OWS, we have some people screaming their heads off about the economy.

OTOH, the conservatives had started this before Obama ever ran for office. The idea that they could achieve it by going along with him is unthinkable. It would be too visible, and they'd have to explain themselves to their politically polarized constituents. It would never happen. They can do a more effective job by blocking anything he proposes that might make the situation better.

I really don't want us to end up like Chile, with our very own Augusto Pinochet.
 
2011-11-04 11:34:04 AM
karnal: Jake Havechek

The GOP acted like Grade A farking assholes the whole time Clinton was in there, I've just never seen them this angry before. They don't understand that Bush and Reagan caused most of the problems that still bother us today make me cry myself to sleep every night.


FTFY....put your big girl panties on and get over it.


You stalking me, motherfarker? You're on very thin ice, you sonofabiatch.
 
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