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(Telegraph)   French satirical magazine goes where South Park feared to tread, proudly announces the Prophet Muhammad would be editor-in-chief of this week's issue. Molotovarity ensues   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 188
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2011-11-04 10:10:12 AM

WhyteRaven74: The people that are upset should visit some Persian mosques sometime

[zombietime.com image 470x648]


Is his head on fire because he is burning is Hell?
 
2011-11-04 10:24:04 AM
From the BBC story:

"On Tuesday night, two fire bombs were hurled at the offices. Nobody was hurt but the paper's office equipment was destroyed."

Seriously...... you tell the world that you're going to take the piss out of Mohammed (peace be upon him) and don't have the common sense to take precautions against your entire operation being wiped out by two petrol bombs? You know, if you have windows at street level then maybe you want to put a shatterproof film over them, or grills that can be closed at night?

If I were their insurers I'd be saying, "We're not paying guys - if you want to do some so incendiary (haha) then that's your right, but for the love of god put up some grills"
 
2011-11-04 10:46:09 AM

Pert: From the BBC story:

"On Tuesday night, two fire bombs were hurled at the offices. Nobody was hurt but the paper's office equipment was destroyed."

Seriously...... you tell the world that you're going to take the piss out of Mohammed (peace be upon him) and don't have the common sense to take precautions against your entire operation being wiped out by two petrol bombs? You know, if you have windows at street level then maybe you want to put a shatterproof film over them, or grills that can be closed at night?

If I were their insurers I'd be saying, "We're not paying guys - if you want to do some so incendiary (haha) then that's your right, but for the love of god put up some grills"


Blame the victim, nice. Was their skirt too short?

intimidation, how does it work?
 
2011-11-04 10:48:07 AM
There is a difference between being satirical and being bigoted. And this paper was being bigoted.

Of course the BBQ fest was not justified, though.

If you look at their reasoning of the timing of this issue, they did not like the outcome of the hugely democratic and free election in Tunisia.

Somehow, they want to do whatever they want under the defence of freespeech, but has problem with democratic elections.
 
2011-11-04 11:08:48 AM
islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.
 
2011-11-04 11:10:12 AM

soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.


Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.
 
2011-11-04 11:19:09 AM
Here's a picture of the Prophet Muhammad.

He's such a swell guy, we have these everywhere.

i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-04 11:23:54 AM
Oh, and this.
http://www.jesusandmo.net/ (new window)

cdn.nearlyfreespeech.net
 
2011-11-04 11:30:27 AM

grumpyguru: I'm going to have to invent a term for this... I'm going to call it faux-libertarianism. "Do whatever you want that doesn't hurt me, but you're not allowed to take offense from my actions."

I don't get why people who use free speech as a shield for insulting one's deeply held beliefs is surprised when one responds by using their free will to violently protest. "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" might just be a lesson in courtesy, but don't forget courtesy is what keeps the other person from punching you in the f*cking face and laughing whenever they want, too.


Yeah...I'm obviously on the side of the Molotov Cocktail Idiot getting jail time, but really, I'm not incredibly surprised. The French have been actively trying to piss off their Muslim community for years. Is it their right? Yes. Should they be surprised when it goes wrong? Nope.

/Not condoning bomber\saying bomber represents most Muslims
//Saying French newspapers may have freedom of press, but I'm not sure how they thought insulting Islam was 'lighthearted'
 
2011-11-04 11:34:21 AM

contrapunctus: I'm certainly not on the side of banning headscarves, but Islam needs to turn the volume down if they want to participate in a first world democracy.


On the other hand it's hard to actually control the volume of bombs. I am sure Islam will look into it though.
 
2011-11-04 12:06:50 PM

Joe Blowme: Pert: From the BBC story:

"On Tuesday night, two fire bombs were hurled at the offices. Nobody was hurt but the paper's office equipment was destroyed."

Seriously...... you tell the world that you're going to take the piss out of Mohammed (peace be upon him) and don't have the common sense to take precautions against your entire operation being wiped out by two petrol bombs? You know, if you have windows at street level then maybe you want to put a shatterproof film over them, or grills that can be closed at night?

If I were their insurers I'd be saying, "We're not paying guys - if you want to do some so incendiary (haha) then that's your right, but for the love of god put up some grills"

Blame the victim, nice. Was their skirt too short?

intimidation, how does it work?


Entirely too well, but then we've known that as far back as the Roman Empire. Heck, people are even trying to appease Islam for completely imaginary insults, like the Koran-flushing story.

/but hey, ship Terry Jones to them in a body bag, maybe that will appease them
//until someone starts a rumor that Hilary Clinton urinated in the direction of Mecca, but who would be awful enough to do that?
 
2011-11-04 12:36:17 PM
Its so funny how the fark-doctorate-in-islam-matters bunch here would completely ignore the fact that the paper had issue with democratic election but picks the defense of free speech to hide their bigotry.

Where the fark is free speech without democracy?
 
2011-11-04 12:48:01 PM

mayIFark: Its so funny how the fark-doctorate-in-islam-matters bunch here would completely ignore the fact that the paper had issue with democratic election but picks the defense of free speech to hide their bigotry.

Where the fark is free speech without democracy?


In a democracy, a majority can vote to end free speech and murder the minority.
 
2011-11-04 12:57:51 PM
This is why I believe there will never be another significant Muslim terrorist attack in the USA. They've got us right where they want us, scared and trembling - much better than angry.
 
2011-11-04 01:15:45 PM

proteus_b: Mock26: Tell that to Dr. George Tiller. He was murdered by a christian.

for insulting christianity?

aren't you the guy who likes to make fun of the disabled?


For being an abortion doctor. But that does not matter. A christian killed him for violating the word of god.

And, no, I am not the guy who likes to make fun of the disabled.
 
2011-11-04 01:32:53 PM

Mock26: proteus_b: Mock26: Tell that to Dr. George Tiller. He was murdered by a christian.

for insulting christianity?

aren't you the guy who likes to make fun of the disabled?

For being an abortion doctor. But that does not matter.


Yeah, it kind of does matter. An insult can be given by accident or completely unintentionally, an abortion can't.

/it's called a "miscarriage" instead, and even the Christian evangelists consider it cause for sympathy, not murder
//and I'm pro choice... you're not helping
 
2011-11-04 01:37:30 PM

mayIFark: There is a difference between being satirical and being bigoted. And this paper was being bigoted.


How so?


mayIFark: If you look at their reasoning of the timing of this issue, they did not like the outcome of the hugely democratic and free election in Tunisia.

Somehow, they want to do whatever they want under the defence of freespeech, but has problem with democratic elections


Somehow you think they shouldn't be able to mock the outcome of a democratic election.
 
2011-11-04 01:41:53 PM

Jack Black 62: mayIFark: Its so funny how the fark-doctorate-in-islam-matters bunch here would completely ignore the fact that the paper had issue with democratic election but picks the defense of free speech to hide their bigotry.

Where the fark is free speech without democracy?

In a democracy, a majority can vote to end free speech and murder the minority.


And that, by and large, is why democracy can be just as bad as a dictatorship. That many people can be wrong, and often are.

A friend and I established a theory. Take an individual. Even if smart, he is limited. Ad a friend or two, and the ability rises. Get above a certain number(variable on a case by case basis) working on the same project, it becomes a study in creating the perfect cluster fark.

We've got how many millions voting over what's supposedly right and fair?
 
2011-11-04 01:53:56 PM

omeganuepsilon: Jack Black 62: mayIFark: Its so funny how the fark-doctorate-in-islam-matters bunch here would completely ignore the fact that the paper had issue with democratic election but picks the defense of free speech to hide their bigotry.

Where the fark is free speech without democracy?

In a democracy, a majority can vote to end free speech and murder the minority.

And that, by and large, is why democracy can be just as bad as a dictatorship. That many people can be wrong, and often are.

A friend and I established a theory. Take an individual. Even if smart, he is limited. Ad a friend or two, and the ability rises. Get above a certain number(variable on a case by case basis) working on the same project, it becomes a study in creating the perfect cluster fark.

We've got how many millions voting over what's supposedly right and fair?


Yet under certain conditions, the same group that could (should?) produce the perfect cluster fark, instead ends up creating something amazing instead. Like a manned moon landing, or a democratic government that grows into a world superpower.

/or even the internet
//I blame mathematical training and adherence to effective accounting principles
 
2011-11-04 02:32:57 PM

doglover: The Gauls would never have put up with this kind of thing. They'd be all like "Ils sont fous ces romains" and then it would be POW right the kisser and nothing but shoes to show there'd ever been a terrorist there at all.


Les aventures d'Astérix ne sont pas un documentaire...
 
2011-11-04 02:43:47 PM

Jack Black 62: soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.

Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.


that is a ludicrous statement; it is because of the teachings of christ that we have progressed to the point that we are; we would be much further along if it wasn't for the lack of love and understanding between humans. Christ at no point taught divisiveness. People doing things in the name of God is different than the word of God itself (logos).
 
2011-11-04 02:45:56 PM

mayIFark: There is a difference between being satirical and being bigoted. And this paper was being bigoted.

Of course the BBQ fest was not justified, though.

If you look at their reasoning of the timing of this issue, they did not like the outcome of the hugely democratic and free election in Tunisia.

Somehow, they want to do whatever they want under the defence of freespeech, but has problem with democratic elections.


It was not being bigoted. It was making fun of the fact that given their first ever free elections Tunisians chose an islamist party while many of their Libyan coreligionaries are trying to replace 42 years of dictatorship with Sharia law.

Charlie Hebdo is always ferocious with whomever catches its editors' attention and it's way over the top for my taste, but it's hardly bigoted.
 
2011-11-04 02:47:35 PM

soakitincider: Jack Black 62: soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.

Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.

that is a ludicrous statement; it is because of the teachings of christ that we have progressed to the point that we are; we would be much further along if it wasn't for the lack of love and understanding between humans. Christ at no point taught divisiveness. People doing things in the name of God is different than the word of God itself (logos).


Since he did not exist, he never taught anything.

"Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus peace be upon him did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled."
 
2011-11-04 03:26:41 PM

Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: EpicElite: LOL @ Islam apologists. The Bible is filled with parables and stories whose conclusions are peaceful. If you read the Koran, there is no story. It is a rule book, and the rules are listed clearly: Wage endless war against the non-believers. Slit their throats, rape their women and make them slaves, unless they convert. If you defend this as a western liberal, you are the worst and most pathetic kind of traitor we have.

You know how I know you've never read the Bible?



You know how I know you don't have a clue how to make an argument?
 
2011-11-04 03:29:57 PM

Hydra: Headline: another muslim or group of muslims react violently to some crap said about their prophet

Fark Islam apologist response: "B-b-b-but CHRISTIANS!"
Intellectually honest Farker: "Violence is never right in response to an act of free speech."
Fark Islam apologist response: "DOESN'T MATTER!! CHRISTIANGARBLE!!!!"

/typical...


Read it again, Fark. This man has wisdom.
 
2011-11-04 03:31:57 PM

LL316: pyrion: EpicElite: Interesting that Christians will defend your right to say that ("turn the other cheek") and a good Muslim would kill you for the same statement. Gee, they are EXACTLY alike, just anachronous by about 1500 years.

Yep. I call it the "inquisition phase" (although I really just stole that from a Sunni classmate of mine). It wasn't too long ago, relatively-speaking, that blasphemy in a Christian context would have similar results. Here in America, even, albeit pre-Revolution.

Haven't Muslims been around just as long as Christians though? Isn't it a bit insulting to hold them to a lower standard than their Christian counterparts?


No, they haven't
 
2011-11-04 03:34:18 PM

mbillips: LL316: pyrion: EpicElite: Interesting that Christians will defend your right to say that ("turn the other cheek") and a good Muslim would kill you for the same statement. Gee, they are EXACTLY alike, just anachronous by about 1500 years.

Yep. I call it the "inquisition phase" (although I really just stole that from a Sunni classmate of mine). It wasn't too long ago, relatively-speaking, that blasphemy in a Christian context would have similar results. Here in America, even, albeit pre-Revolution.

Haven't Muslims been around just as long as Christians though? Isn't it a bit insulting to hold them to a lower standard than their Christian counterparts?

No, actually Islam is 700 years younger. And 300 years ago, Christians were still burning witches and banishing people from American colonies for heresy. The difference is that "Christian" nations developed huge middle classes in the past 200 years because of industrial capitalism, while Muslim countries stagnated because of colonialism. Cut them some slack; given current political and economic trends, they're likely to be a bunch of consumerist nonbelievers within 100 years.



Cut them some slack!?! America was a colony too. When they are slitting your mom's throat, are you going to cut them some slack? You apologists on here are out of control. I have a heavy troll hand, but this made me mad.
 
2011-11-04 03:45:12 PM
 
2011-11-04 03:56:13 PM

Tatterdemalian: Yet under certain conditions


When working under circumstances, it's impossible to develop a cluster fark, or at least very difficult.

Working under agreed upon rules(ie science) and good organization, and a more or less professional attitude, are what enabled technology to grow. It helps when most, if not all, members of a given group have the same goal in mind, and actually want to see it carried out effectively.

The unwashed masses don't concern themselves with such things. Half of our populace thinks like the Westboro Baptists, though not necessarily to the same extreme degrees. The other half is obsessed with Angry Birds.

These are the people that control the vote. Democracy fails as a means to an improving, hell, even maintaining a civilized society.
 
2011-11-04 04:15:04 PM

furiousidiot: This is why I believe there will never be another significant Muslim terrorist attack in the USA. They've got us right where they want us, scared and trembling - much better than angry.


That's why they quit beheading their American prisoners. Someone in the know told them we are easily bored and distracted, but also quick to anger. Murdering our citizens like animals won't scare us, it will only piss us off and make you FAR worse off in the long run. I, for one, wish they would have kept it up. We would have annihilated them like the farking animals they are.

/oh look, a shiny thing...
 
2011-11-04 05:43:22 PM

soakitincider: Jack Black 62: soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.

Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.

that is a ludicrous statement; it is because of the teachings of christ that we have progressed to the point that we are; we would be much further along if it wasn't for the lack of love and understanding between humans. Christ at no point taught divisiveness. People doing things in the name of God is different than the word of God itself (logos).


Oh, rubbish. The Stoics and Epicureans had a better moral/philosophical systems hundreds of years before Christ's birth, but they were too intellectually rigorous for the mouth-breathers, who want to be punished for their normal human desires, and need Christ to save them from God's slavering maw. Christianity is one of your dumber ethical systems, and it is by no means special.
 
2011-11-04 08:44:50 PM

EpicElite: Make fun of Mohammed.I dare you big tough boy. They will slit your throat.


0
/|\
/\
MUHAMMAD
or MOHAMMAD
MUHAMMED maybe?


/come get me
//i'll introduce you to the contents of my 9mm piece by piece, starting with what's in the barrel
/'tough boy'? Who the hell says that? It's 'big boy' or 'tough guy'
 
2011-11-04 11:41:45 PM

urban.derelict:
/'tough boy'? Who the hell says that? It's 'big boy' or 'tough guy'


'tough boy" sounds so gheyIslamist.
 
2011-11-05 09:37:38 AM
Jack Black 62


Since he did not exist, he never taught anything.


Apparently the person did. According to several non-christian american public school history books for some years. Haven't looked at one since 93 so I don't know if they deleted that little tidbit anymore. At the same time, according to the books he was a prophet and nothing else.

Just thought I'd mention that for no particular reason
 
2011-11-06 01:12:37 AM

soakitincider: Jack Black 62: soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.

Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.

that is a ludicrous statement; it is because of the teachings of christ that we have progressed to the point that we are


You know that phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions?" If it weren't for the teachings of Christ prompting the downfall of Roman civilization and the rise of the Catholic Church in its place, we'd be colonizing space by now. Recall that the Catholics put a scientist on trial for having the audacity to prove that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and it was these same douchebags that insisted (long into the mid-20th century even) that commoners were NOT permitted to read and interpret the Bible for themselves. Hell, one of the things that prompted the Protestant Reformation in the first place was that it was illegal to own a Bible printed in a language other than Latin, and the only way anybody could learn Latin was to join the clergy.

No, the teachings of Christ gave us the Dark Ages. Human ingenuity and the scientific method got us to where we are now.
 
2011-11-06 07:34:29 AM

pyrion: soakitincider: Jack Black 62: soakitincider: islam actually waged war against christians in the middle east first as most (if not all ) of lebanon and syria (among other places) was christian prior to the advent of islam.

Like christianity, islam is a sick religion.

that is a ludicrous statement; it is because of the teachings of christ that we have progressed to the point that we are

You know that phrase "the road to hell is paved with good intentions?" If it weren't for the teachings of Christ prompting the downfall of Roman civilization and the rise of the Catholic Church in its place, we'd be colonizing space by now. Recall that the Catholics put a scientist on trial for having the audacity to prove that the Earth was not the center of the universe, and it was these same douchebags that insisted (long into the mid-20th century even) that commoners were NOT permitted to read and interpret the Bible for themselves. Hell, one of the things that prompted the Protestant Reformation in the first place was that it was illegal to own a Bible printed in a language other than Latin, and the only way anybody could learn Latin was to join the clergy.

No, the teachings of Christ gave us the Dark Ages. Human ingenuity and the scientific method got us to where we are now.


I like tyhe gist of your argument, but Chrstianity didn't kill the ROmans...they did that all by themselves.
 
2011-11-06 12:43:20 PM
As this thread is very close to dying I won't bother with a whole thesis but as an atheist it is important to say that Christianity is NOT responsible for the 'dark ages' which never were. Christianity held the fragments of civilisation together in the face of a barbarian onslaught.

Also they weren't responsible for the decline of the Roman Empire. The decline was already well under way, and the empire crumbling by the time Christianity was adopted. Definately post Odoacer Christianity was extremely important in keeping the lights on in Europe in the face of hordes of pagan barbarians.
 
2011-11-07 07:51:37 AM

cwolf20: Jack Black 62


Since he did not exist, he never taught anything.

Apparently the person did. According to several non-christian american public school history books for some years. Haven't looked at one since 93 so I don't know if they deleted that little tidbit anymore. At the same time, according to the books he was a prophet and nothing else.

Just thought I'd mention that for no particular reason


And you believe what is written in a government school textbook? Sorry, the stories were written about a hundred and fifty years after he supposedly died. There is no proof that he ever existed.
 
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