I guess it takes Juan to know Juan.

Well she does look Irish.

All we have to do is kill all the illegals and then nobody will claim to be one to avoid going to jail.

this is exactly why we need to electrify the fence and militarize the border with Mexico. Mexico is a virus that causes diarhea.

Jaime Alvarado, 27, of Salt Lake City, was charged Wednesday in Utah's 3rd District Court with a second-degree felony for giving false material statements and a misdemeanor charge for giving false personal information to a peace officer.

It was a clever ruse, but Alvarado's number was up.

poe_zlaw: this is exactly why we need to electrify the fence and militarize the border with Mexico. Mexico is a virus that causes diarhea.

How would this have helped in this case? The guy was taken to Mexico courtesy of US tax dollars just by saying he was an illegal Mexican and probably looking the part while being a US citizen...no questions asked, he was sent to Mexico and flew back in with a US passport; the electric fence would have never been breached.

FTA:An attorney has not been appointed for Alvarado, and a current phone number cannot be located for him.

Were they planning on releasing the number or attorney information to the public?

"case was turned over to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement who determined that Alvarado was a legal citizen and released him in June."

So let me get this straight; Jaime Alvarado used the fake name of Saul Quiroz and lied about being an illegal immigrant from Mexico, thus avoiding a 15 year prison term. Gets deported to Mexico (even though he was a US citizen), only to return, get busted and then slip through the fingers again?

So I guess the lesson "people" will learn here is, if you get caught doing a crime, just tell them you are an illegal immigrant. Apparently the only punishment you get will be a trip to Mexico.

improvius: Jaime Alvarado, 27, of Salt Lake City, was charged Wednesday in Utah's 3rd District Court with a second-degree felony for giving false material statements and a misdemeanor charge for giving false personal information to a peace officer.

It was a clever ruse, but Alvarado's Avagadro's number was up.

Were they planning on releasing the number or attorney information to the public?

Were they planning on releasing the number or attorney information to the public?

I wondered that too. .But I only have one star

Ice is supposed to put a detainee on them and chuckle as they serve their hard time. ICE farked up.

tnkwarrior: poe_zlaw: this is exactly why we need to electrify the fence and militarize the border with Mexico. Mexico is a virus that causes diarhea.

How would this have helped in this case? The guy was taken to Mexico courtesy of US tax dollars just by saying he was an illegal Mexican and probably looking the part while being a US citizen...no questions asked, he was sent to Mexico and flew back in with a US passport; the electric fence would have never been breached.

Don't fall for trollbait.

The larger story here is that being an illegal alien amounts to a "get out of jail free" card. Does that piss anyone else off?

Preferential treatment of illegals by the law is why this happened and will probably happen again.

A citizen goes to jail but an illegal gets deported and can just come in again. He should have been sent to jail the first time and then deported.


I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't jumped to this guys defense because if it wasn't for our supposedly racist laws, he wouldn't have broken the law the 2nd time.

What would stop any latino U.S. citizen without his prints on file from doing this the first time time he got caught doing something illegal? Nice little get out of jail free card. On second thought, illegals can commit crimes and not go to jail? Is this some sort of reverse-Amish thing or something? Might the private prison industry have a problem with this?

jjorsett: tnkwarrior: poe_zlaw: this is exactly why we need to electrify the fence and militarize the border with Mexico. Mexico is a virus that causes diarhea.

How would this have helped in this case? The guy was taken to Mexico courtesy of US tax dollars just by saying he was an illegal Mexican and probably looking the part while being a US citizen...no questions asked, he was sent to Mexico and flew back in with a US passport; the electric fence would have never been breached.

Don't fall for trollbait.

The larger story here is that being an illegal alien amounts to a "get out of jail free" card. Does that piss anyone else off?

They get deported.

Anyone else read that as 'Farking Illegal'?

WizardofToast: jjorsett: tnkwarrior: poe_zlaw: this is exactly why we need to electrify the fence and militarize the border with Mexico. Mexico is a virus that causes diarhea.

How would this have helped in this case? The guy was taken to Mexico courtesy of US tax dollars just by saying he was an illegal Mexican and probably looking the part while being a US citizen...no questions asked, he was sent to Mexico and flew back in with a US passport; the electric fence would have never been breached.

Don't fall for trollbait.

The larger story here is that being an illegal alien amounts to a "get out of jail free" card. Does that piss anyone else off?

They get deported.

Gee, freedom in Mexico vs 15 years in prison. What a Draconian punishment.

Kraftwerk Orange: improvius: Jaime Alvarado, 27, of Salt Lake City, was charged Wednesday in Utah's 3rd District Court with a second-degree felony for giving false material statements and a misdemeanor charge for giving false personal information to a peace officer.

It was a clever ruse, but Alvarado's Avagadro's number was up.

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6.02 × 10^²³? Isn't that the number of illegal immigrants in the US?

Instead of going to prison, Alvarado was deported to Mexico based on his false identity, according to court records. But he then returned to the United States using his American passport and earlier this year was arrested in Salt Lake City on an outstanding warrant connected to his guilty plea.

I need some clarification here:

Legal citizen gets caught under his legal name, lies and says he's illegal, court believes him, he gets deported.
Reenters under his real name with real passport.

How did his legal name come to the attention of authorities again? TFA says it was connected to his original warrant. Was he like pulled over and the cops ran him and his name reappeared as having the outstanding warrant? Shouldn't the warrant been cleared when he changed his identity in court?

Wii.Tard: Preferential treatment of illegals by the law is why this happened and will probably happen again.

A citizen goes to jail but an illegal gets deported and can just come in again. He should have been sent to jail the first time and then deported.




They would rather deport them than have to bed & board them for 15 years, it's cheaper. At least that's the theory. In practice they just jump the fence again and wind up involved in more criminal activity, like the illegal last year up in Washington state (Oregon?) who'd been deported five or six times and eventually wound up killing a woman.

I don't care. Open the borders. Is this a free country or not?

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RIP Julianne Moore

Wow she's looking a bit rough around the edges these days.

Now don't tell anybody, what I wanna do...

..if they find out, you know they'll never let me through.
/NoFunBeingIllegalAlien

HE'S STILL LOST AT SEA!!!!!!

adeist69: They would rather deport them than have to bed & board them for 15 years, it's cheaper. At least that's the theory. In practice they just jump the fence again and wind up involved in more criminal activity, like the illegal last year up in Washington state (Oregon?) who'd been deported five or six times and eventually wound up killing a woman.

Or like that juvie illegal offender in San Fran that the city looked the other away who ended up murdering a family in their car with an AK.

I see the reason behind just deporting them instead of throwing them in jail/wasting tax payer dollars but this literally gives them a "get out of jail free" card. When they commit murder of citizens/legal residents, that's an able bodied person who can't work, pay taxes, do the right thing.

I say send them to jail then kick them out.

you can do this?! i hope a judge buys my "i am an illegal from half poland half england" story.

I say, build a special jail, in Greenland. Anyone being convicted of a serious crime and claims to be an illegal alien, goes there. No free pass to Mexico, go to Greenland and sort things out.

Though infrequent, this is more common than you might think. The amusing part is when they get arrested for some reason in the US and their fingerprints show them to be illegal aliens who have been deported. Then they get charged with the federal offense of illegal re-entry and they're locked up by feds, who won't give them a bond because, after all, they are illegal aliens. It usually takes a couple of months to sort out the whole thing. Meanwhile, the federal prosecutors are busy looking for some alternative felony to charge them with--like lying to federal officers. A rousing good time is had by all.

TFA: In a follow-up letter to the judge, he said he regretted lying and asked for leniency because his family depended on him.

"I have a good job right now, a lot of little girls waiting for me and a family that will support me," Alvarado said. "It's my first offense and my last. I want to spend the rest of my life with my kids!"

Lots of dads in jail. Lots of dads in Mexico. Where do you want your kids to visit you?

Biological Ali: jjorsett: Don't fall for trollbait.

The larger story here is that being an illegal alien amounts to a "get out of jail free" card. Does that piss anyone else off?

Why would that piss you off? Would you rather the government spend more money locking those guys up for a certain number of years before deporting them?

As a bleeding heart liberal with a hatred of these batshiat crazy immigration laws we have now, I'd have to say yes. As a white guy who has zero connections south of the border and speaks virtually no Spanish at all, I would rather be deported to Mexico than go to prison for 15 years. If I was a Mexican who had crossed illegally on the first place it would be a no-brainer.

15 years in prison or you send me back to my homeland from which I was able to get here in the first place? No please ... don't deport me ... please ... anything but that ... you white devils!

/I probably oppose the drug laws that he violated in the first place
//but just on principle Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect $200.

Juan Mann can make a difference...

Free Hugs... (new window)

butt-nuggets: I say, build a special jail, in Greenland. Anyone being convicted of a serious crime and claims to be an illegal alien, goes there. No free pass to Mexico, go to Greenland and sort things out.

I am unfamiliar with the circumstances by which the United States obtained sovereignty of Greenland from the Kingdom of Denmark. I also assume both the United states and the Kingdom of Denmark are also unfamiliar with these circumstances.

/Also, what in the fark do you plan to offer prison guards to go live in farking Greenland? I don't think there are enough hookers and/or blow in the world to make someone do that. While that may be your point wrt to the illegal aliens, the guards are just going to shoot you - and no DA in the whole country will do more than recommend them for the Presidential Medal of Freedon

Freedon? Really? Damn

Done in Juan.

Philbb: /I probably oppose the drug laws that he violated in the first place

That

So 15 years in U.S. prison is better than a year of freedom in Mexico? Mexico must be a real shiathole.

Instead of going to prison, Alvarado was deported to Mexico based on his false identity

So, does Mexico just take anybody we say belongs to them? I mean, don't they check citizenship as well?

/for the record -- in case I am ever arrested -- I am a citizen of Sweden.

FTA: "I have a good job right now, a lot of little girls waiting for me and a family that will support me," Alvarado said. "It's my first offense and my last. I want to spend the rest of my life with my kids!"

If I were the judge, I'd say "You've already lied about your immigration status to avoid jail time, why should I believe you now? How do I know you didn't just tell another lie?"

jjorsett: The larger story here is that being an illegal alien amounts to a "get out of jail free" card. Does that piss anyone else off?

I believe it comes down to a policy of "is it worth the cost of locking this guy up vs just dumping him on Mexico. Since he didn't commit a real crime with real victims, I am pissed off that citizens would have been sent to jail - not that he wasn't. If he had committed an actual crime, this presumably wouldn't have worked. I also think that some heads need to roll for the incompetence involved, however.

Wii.Tard: Preferential treatment of illegals by the law is why this happened and will probably happen again.
A citizen goes to jail but an illegal gets deported and can just come in again. He should have been sent to jail the first time and then deported.

15 years of prison at something like $30k per year in costs. I think it's a reasonable policy for minor crimes to not take on that expendature.

I'm surprised the ACLU hasn't jumped to this guys defense because if it wasn't for our supposedly racist laws, he wouldn't have broken the law the 2nd time.

Maybe it's because they aren't anything like what you fantasize them to be.

BMFPitt: Maybe it's because they aren't anything like what you fantasize them to be.


What do you mean by that?