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2011-11-03 03:53:42 PM
And by bullying they mean making religious statements.

Seriously subby, Democrats, etc - on this one you're all farking retarded. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be too harsh, don't go commit suicide now. Maybe we should make it illegal for me to inform you of how retarded you are via the internet next?
 
2011-11-03 03:53:43 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Honest question what does an anti-bullying law cover that is not already covered by Harassment or Assault Laws already?

Is it one of those that if the assault is in the act of "bullying" it gets a mandatory sentence type thing?


Exactly!

How did they define bullying?

When I first heard of the proposed legislation, it made me think that this is just the perfect scenario for classic unintended consequences!

What about smack talk in gym? What about griping about the smart kid in class breaking the curve?

(Or am I guilty of slippery slope claims?)
 
2011-11-03 03:53:44 PM

LasersHurt: skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: So does that mean any neo-nazi that holds a "moral conviction" of what they believe in would be perfectly fine to outright slaughter any group they deemed beneath them?

I don't think this legislation supersedes laws against murder and assault.

Good lord I shut my eyes for 5 minutes and "you can say whatever" has turned into letting Nazi's murder?


that appears to be the case
 
2011-11-03 03:54:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: badhatharry: The Gay Agenda have been pretty successfull with the anti-bullying campaign. Much more effective than the Red Headed Kid with Glasses Agenda.

Saying "the Gay Agenda" makes you sound like a tard:

[hulshofschmidt.files.wordpress.com image 375x376]

[toppun.com image 173x173]

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[marknelson.biz image 400x300]

/Hopefully you're just trolling...otherwise you're just a dumbass


yes. Homogenda rolls off the tongue much more nicely
 
2011-11-03 03:55:14 PM

skullkrusher: LasersHurt: skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: So does that mean any neo-nazi that holds a "moral conviction" of what they believe in would be perfectly fine to outright slaughter any group they deemed beneath them?

I don't think this legislation supersedes laws against murder and assault.

Good lord I shut my eyes for 5 minutes and "you can say whatever" has turned into letting Nazi's murder?

that appears to be the case


Are you suggesting those two things are different?! I think it's pretty clear the intent of the first amendment was to legalize nazi murders.
 
2011-11-03 03:55:59 PM

Diogenes: When it's delivered by a fist, yes.


So you support this insert, nice to know. (This doesn't legalize assault)

PanicMan: The inserted language allows a teacher to stand in front of their class and call all Republicans evil and say they're going to hell. You ok with that?


Sure, as long as his lesson plan was unbiased and the kids learned, he should be free to express his opinion. It would be a poor move as it would alienate many of the students, but having grown up through the PC craze of the late 80's early 90's, you'll have a hard time convincing me that people should *not* be allowed to voice their sincerely held convictions or religious beliefs.

fritton: This legislation is trying to give harassment a free pass. Casual disagreements, isolated verbal confrontations or even specific intolerance isn't currently actionable anyhow.. the only thing further legislation like this could be used for would be to give the green light to hunting down specific classes of people and making them miserable.


To be honest I'd like to see the entirety of the legislation because the article did a really poor job of painting both sides. It seemed to me to be the opposite. One thing we've seen much of, is the unintended consequences of legislation designed to protect our kids. Zero tolerance anyone? We've got kids being expelled for bringing toys to school which clearly falls outside the spirit of that legislation. This insert protects those who are deeply religious from falling into the black hole that is "Bannination" and does not give any one an open door to harass someone else.
 
2011-11-03 03:56:33 PM

sprawl15: Farkin' first amendment, how do they work?


I think you misunderstand me. I take umbrage at vague terms used in legislation like "sincere religious beliefs" or "moral convictions". Who is the arbiter of such phrases?
 
2011-11-03 03:56:52 PM

Felgraf: So if a muslim, say, seriously believes that all christians are apostates and, while perhaps they shouldn't be put to the sword, their lives should at least be made a living hell, would he be allowed to bully Christians and Jewish people under this law? And the GOP would be cool with that?


No, of course not. These provisions only apply to Real Americans (TM): white, protestant, upper-middle-class and above Christians; preferably members of the GOP Youth (offer invalid to liberals who happen to meet these criteria).
 
2011-11-03 03:56:54 PM

CanisNoir: Splinshints: Going into their office, following them on the street, and standing outside their home and screaming that in their face day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day until one of them kills themselves is not free speech, it's harassment. Just like it's harassment when one of those shiatheads, or a shiathead like yourself, does the same thing to a gay student. Or anybody else. Even disgusting people like you deserve that protection.

Yea, it already exists. You realize that this is an insert into an anti-bullying piece of legislation, and won't invalidate laws already on the books, right? Jesus are people really that stupid?


The full protection and enforcement of the law is not often applied in the case of children interacting with children, especially in school, because they are growing up and still learning to live as civilized adults in our society. Because of this, sometimes special rules and laws are needed in place specifically for children, you disingenuous and worthless sack of crap.

Good god, are you ever not a horrible waste of skin?
 
2011-11-03 03:56:58 PM
Just when I thought the GOP couldn't be more evil, they always bring me a new instance of them being more evil.

I am not sure what has no bounds:
a) evilness of GOP
b) wealth gap of 1% and 99%
c) both
 
2011-11-03 03:57:15 PM
Let's try and look at this a bit seriously. Let's say Child A thinks that Child B is same sex oriented. Child A has the sincere moral belief that same sex orientation is a perversion of God's order and is wrong. Child A starts calling Child B "Pervert" when they pass in the hall. There is no threat of violence.

A. Would you consider that behavior 'bullying"?

B. Do you think that behavior would rise to the level of "harassment" under standard harassment laws?

C. Would the language in question prevent the school from acting to prevent Child A from continuing with that behavior?
 
2011-11-03 03:57:20 PM

Quasar: I have a sincere, moral conviction that Republicans are douchebags.


Then you better pray that this amendment passes, or else you could be found guilty of "Bullying" Republicans if you voiced that conviction.

"Students and parents expect lawmakers to lead the charge against bullying, but instead Republicans made ideology more important than school safety," said Emily Dievendorf, policy director of Equality Michigan. "Research clearly shows that only states with enumerated bills see a reduction in bullying."

No, Emily Herpendurp, the Republicans' only mistake was amending this legislative turd instead of flushing it altogether. And please show me this research of yours. I'm just a little skeptical.
 
2011-11-03 03:57:33 PM

Ghastly: I wonder if they realize they've just made it okay for Muslims to bully Christian kids on the grounds of religious belief.


Why would they care? Consider your typical public school. What percentage is Muslim? What percentage is Christian? Now who do you think is going to win in any confrontation like that on the basis of sheer numbers?

They know damn well what they inserted into that bill and they know damn well what the implications are.
 
2011-11-03 03:58:04 PM
Hahahah jesus christ. It's the year 2011 and people troglodytes still use the phrase "the gay agenda" in earnest.
 
2011-11-03 03:58:36 PM

CanisNoir: This insert protects those who are deeply religious ...


Seeing as this legislation can't possibly supersede one's 1st Amendment rights, why would it need to be inserted in the legislation at all?
 
2011-11-03 03:58:55 PM

Splinshints: Ghastly: I wonder if they realize they've just made it okay for Muslims to bully Christian kids on the grounds of religious belief.

Why would they care? Consider your typical public school. What percentage is Muslim? What percentage is Christian? Now who do you think is going to win in any confrontation like that on the basis of sheer numbers?

They know damn well what they inserted into that bill and they know damn well what the implications are.


Um, give it time sparky. Muslims outbreed faster than your average cafeteria christian.
 
2011-11-03 03:58:56 PM

GhostFish: Because of this, sometimes special rules and laws are needed in place specifically for children, you disingenuous and worthless sack of crap.

Good god, are you ever not a horrible waste of skin?


CanisNoir is actually underage, and here I think you might be driving him to suicide by your cyberbullying. There should be a law against you posting stuff like this. Yay for people like you and the Democrats to save the day!
 
2011-11-03 03:59:48 PM
If hear the farking 'protected class' argument again, I might just lose it. There's an awful lot of that 'protected class' killing themselves because of the far-too-vigorous expression of 'strongly held religious beliefs.'
 
2011-11-03 04:00:06 PM
This is why I'm not convinced that state legislatures are the best place to deal with bullying. I think it's awful and should be stopped, but doing it at the legislative level gives me heebie-jeebies as I watch the government enact restrictions on speech.

For the record, I'm gay and was bullied.
 
2011-11-03 04:00:09 PM

lennavan: And by bullying they mean making religious statements.

Seriously subby, Democrats, etc - on this one you're all farking retarded. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be too harsh, don't go commit suicide now. Maybe we should make it illegal for me to inform you of how retarded you are via the internet next?


You're a retard for calling people who oppose this proposal retarded.

/moral conviction
 
2011-11-03 04:00:38 PM

vernonFL: I don't see why we need anti-bullying legislation.

If this is happening in school, its a matter for the school admins and parents.

If its happening off school grounds, its a matter for parents, and police, in the case of threats, harassment or violence, police and courts already have the tools to address this.


Because all of the authority figures you've mentioned don't understand that laws apply when they're only written down once.
 
2011-11-03 04:00:44 PM

Jackson Herring: Hahahah jesus christ. It's the year 2011 and people troglodytes still use the phrase "the gay agenda" in earnest.


The gayness - it's communicable by eye contact.™
 
2011-11-03 04:00:44 PM

vernonFL: I don't see why we need anti-bullying legislation.

If this is happening in school, its a matter for the school admins and parents.

If its happening off school grounds, its a matter for parents, and police, in the case of threats, harassment or violence, police and courts already have the tools to address this.


Because, we need this and stuff. GOP SUCKS!
 
2011-11-03 04:01:03 PM

KiltedBastich: Saying it to someone once is offensive douchebaggery, but it is already protected by free speech. What happens when you make that same statement every day? Maybe twice, three times a day? What happens when a dozen or twenty other people are also saying it to that person, in the same polite tones? Do you not see what kind of consequences that could have, especially for a teenager who is already uncertain about his identify, sexual and otherwise?


I'm guessing that the school system and parents would become quite involved. You're scenario presupposes that the teachers won't step in, the parents aren't aware of whats going on and that the kid has no friends who assist or stick up for them. Then again, the scenario you paint only happens a fraction of a fraction of the time. We should not be legislating for an entire state based upon a scenario that will most likely never occur.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:09 PM

whidbey: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: What if my gang of anti-gay bullies wants to unionize?

You'll be disappointed to learn that the Republican party already exists

It's not a GANG...it's a club.


And it's not a union, it's a group of hard working Americans.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:21 PM

TrojanRabbit: This is why I'm not convinced that state legislatures are the best place to deal with bullying. I think it's awful and should be stopped, but doing it at the legislative level gives me heebie-jeebies as I watch the government enact restrictions on speech.

For the record, I'm gay and was bullied.


I side with you here. Making a law that says you can't say shiat is not an effective tactic, and I thought the whole PC liberalism kind of died off after the 90s.

You can't legislate away shiatheads.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:38 PM

I alone am best: vernonFL: I don't see why we need anti-bullying legislation.

If this is happening in school, its a matter for the school admins and parents.

If its happening off school grounds, its a matter for parents, and police, in the case of threats, harassment or violence, police and courts already have the tools to address this.

Because, we need this and stuff. GOP SUCKS!


I know you're just being sarcastic, but your second statement is actually right-on.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:50 PM

Serious Black: lennavan: And by bullying they mean making religious statements.

Seriously subby, Democrats, etc - on this one you're all farking retarded. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be too harsh, don't go commit suicide now. Maybe we should make it illegal for me to inform you of how retarded you are via the internet next?

You're a retard for calling people who oppose this proposal retarded.

/moral conviction


You people calling out bullying as wrong are the REAL BULLIES.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:54 PM

Jackson Herring: Hahahah jesus christ. It's the year 2011 and people troglodytes still use the phrase "the gay agenda" in earnest.


You've got a rich troglodyte habitat, unfortunately.
 
2011-11-03 04:01:56 PM

fritton: Either these guys don't understand what bullying actually is or they are just true evil fools.


They know what bullying is. They like it so long as they're the ones holding the swagger stick.

JRoo: GhostFish: Brainwashing children with religious mumbo-jumbo is child abuse and is morally reprehensible.

When your idea of right and wrong comes from made up bullshiat about magic, monsters, and deities then it will be very easy for you to make some poor farking decisions in your life.


How dare you infringe on my right to raise my child as a wizard in the church of Dungeons & Dragons!


Are you a wizard?
 
2011-11-03 04:02:38 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: A. Would you consider that behavior 'bullying"?


Yes.

Philip Francis Queeg: B. Do you think that behavior would rise to the level of "harassment" under standard harassment laws?


No. It's a kid being a stupid kid. Kids are gonna do stupid shiat.

Philip Francis Queeg: C. Would the language in question prevent the school from acting to prevent Child A from continuing with that behavior?


Why the hell do we need to insert laws and cops and courts into schools. The school should deal with it.
 
2011-11-03 04:03:29 PM
On the topic of bullying we just had our 15 year class reunion and on the facebook event page someone wrote "I think it's sick that I got invited to this, I was bullied in High School, and hate you all!"

Funny thing, no one even remembers her, even the 2 guys there that WERE the bullies at our school. There is a difference between not fitting in and being bullied, one is real and should be stopped, the other is completely in your mind and you just need help.
 
2011-11-03 04:05:33 PM

coeyagi: b) wealth gap of 1% and 99%


assuming you're talking about the wealthiest 1% vs the rest of us, the bounds of that is easily calculated.
 
2011-11-03 04:05:36 PM

KiltedBastich: What happens when you make that same statement every day? Maybe twice, three times a day? What happens when a dozen or twenty other people are also saying it to that person, in the same polite tones?


Asked.

KiltedBastich: it is already protected by free speech.


And answered.
 
2011-11-03 04:05:40 PM

Serious Black: lennavan: And by bullying they mean making religious statements.

Seriously subby, Democrats, etc - on this one you're all farking retarded. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be too harsh, don't go commit suicide now. Maybe we should make it illegal for me to inform you of how retarded you are via the internet next?

You're a retard for calling people who oppose this proposal retarded.

/moral conviction


My god tells me your intelligence is more than one standard deviation below the average.

=]
 
2011-11-03 04:06:02 PM

Splinshints: By the way, our argument is done and I've won it, so feel free to save yourself the further embarrassment of trying to form a cogent retort. You can't because the basic facts of the issue are stacked entirely against you and have been for more than two centuries now.


You're out of your element, Donny.

Soup4Bonnie: sprawl15: Farkin' first amendment, how do they work?

I think you misunderstand me. I take umbrage at vague terms used in legislation like "sincere religious beliefs" or "moral convictions". Who is the arbiter of such phrases?


I think you misunderstand me. I took umbrage at the idea that school employees expressing religious beliefs in school was determined to be kosher by this bill. I don't care if they have religious beliefs, as employees of the state they had better damn well shut the fark up about them no matter how righteous or applicable that belief is. It's a clear violation of the 1st Amendment, and even if it wasn't utterly horrible from a practical or moral perspective, it should absolutely be overturned on a constitutional basis.
 
2011-11-03 04:07:58 PM
Heh. "Umbrage."
 
2011-11-03 04:11:53 PM

sweetmelissa31: And it's not a union, it's a group of hard working Americans.


i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-03 04:12:41 PM
I guess bullying is ok as long as you have a sincerely held moral conviction. So go bully those Jews, Muslims, Catholics, Protestants, gays, lesbians, etc., etc., etc.; as long as you truly believe they are wrong and you are right.
 
2011-11-03 04:13:23 PM

lennavan: Philip Francis Queeg: A. Would you consider that behavior 'bullying"?

Yes.

Philip Francis Queeg: B. Do you think that behavior would rise to the level of "harassment" under standard harassment laws?

No. It's a kid being a stupid kid. Kids are gonna do stupid shiat.

Philip Francis Queeg: C. Would the language in question prevent the school from acting to prevent Child A from continuing with that behavior?

Why the hell do we need to insert laws and cops and courts into schools. The school should deal with it.


If what the kid does would get any Adult arrested or fired from their jobs why should Kids be given a free pass?

Would derogatory name calling be appropriate in a work environment? If no then why would it be acceptable in schools?
 
2011-11-03 04:18:23 PM

coeyagi: Splinshints: Ghastly: I wonder if they realize they've just made it okay for Muslims to bully Christian kids on the grounds of religious belief.

Why would they care? Consider your typical public school. What percentage is Muslim? What percentage is Christian? Now who do you think is going to win in any confrontation like that on the basis of sheer numbers?

They know damn well what they inserted into that bill and they know damn well what the implications are.

Um, give it time sparky. Muslims outbreed faster than your average cafeteria christian.


Dearborn has a large number of Muslims. It'll happen.
 
2011-11-03 04:18:40 PM

whidbey: Heh. "Umbrage."


What? It made me feel brown. Is that so wrong?
 
2011-11-03 04:20:17 PM

WizardofToast: Serious Black: lennavan: And by bullying they mean making religious statements.

Seriously subby, Democrats, etc - on this one you're all farking retarded. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to be too harsh, don't go commit suicide now. Maybe we should make it illegal for me to inform you of how retarded you are via the internet next?

You're a retard for calling people who oppose this proposal retarded.

/moral conviction

You people calling out bullying as wrong are the REAL BULLIES.


You people who call out people who call out bullying as wrong are the real bullies!

/nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh
//hah hah hah hah hah hah
 
2011-11-03 04:24:34 PM

Warlordtrooper: If what the kid does would get any Adult arrested or fired from their jobs why should Kids be given a free pass?


You bring up a good point. This is why infants who grab at boobs when they are hungry should be incarcerated. It's not like age and context are relevant.

Warlordtrooper: Would derogatory name calling be appropriate in a work environment? If no then why would it be acceptable in schools?


This reminds me, I didn't get recess today, nor did I get gym class. Which is crazy because work environments are exactly the same as school environments. And I definitely considered name calling appropriate, that's why I wrote:

lennavan: Philip Francis Queeg: A. Would you consider that behavior 'bullying"?

Yes.


and

lennavan: Why the hell do we need to insert laws and cops and courts into schools. The school should deal with it.


I said yes it is bullying but that was reverse psychology, I really meant no. And by saying "the school should deal with it" I clearly meant by praising the bully. Wow, you saw right through that one, you're so smart!
 
2011-11-03 04:30:58 PM

sprawl15: whidbey: Heh. "Umbrage."

What? It made me feel brown. Is that so wrong?


I had some serious umbrage first thing this morning
 
2011-11-03 04:33:48 PM

TrojanRabbit: This is why I'm not convinced that state legislatures are the best place to deal with bullying. I think it's awful and should be stopped, but doing it at the legislative level gives me heebie-jeebies as I watch the government enact restrictions on speech.

For the record, I'm gay and was bullied.


so do you need a Government to help you?
 
2011-11-03 04:34:08 PM
Issue every bullied child one of these.

www.thewolfhouse.net

Bullying will cease

//More upset at the regulation of speech when there are already laws on the books that can be used to address bullying problems.
 
2011-11-03 04:35:00 PM
I have a moral conviction that it's ok for me to shiat on the doorsteps of Republican legislatures.
 
2011-11-03 04:35:32 PM
You know who else had sincerely held moral convictions that a certain segment of the population should be gotten rid of?
 
2011-11-03 04:35:35 PM
At the high school level there's an easy solution for bullying, arrest for assault or assault and battery where appropriate and immediate expulsion from school.
 
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