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2011-11-03 03:39:51 PM

yert: CanadianConservative: You southern folk are just stupid.

Michigan is a western state canadian colony.


Except if they were Canadian they would be coming out against bullying like some members of our farking government did.
 
2011-11-03 03:40:13 PM

Felgraf: Interesting.

So if a muslim, say, seriously believes that all christians are apostates and, while perhaps they shouldn't be put to the sword, their lives should at least be made a living hell, would he be allowed to bully Christians and Jewish people under this law? And the GOP would be cool with that?


It's cute that you think Republicans can't hold two completely different and conflicting opinions on a subject.
 
2011-11-03 03:40:18 PM

Gunny Highway: This thread is going to get bad quick


It already has.
 
2011-11-03 03:40:23 PM
Bet that language was in there to protect asswipes like this guy.

I usually don't wish this upon people because I try to be an actual Christian and all but he's one of those guys who i sincerely wishes he DIAF.
 
2011-11-03 03:40:25 PM

CanisNoir: Or are you against free speech?


When it's delivered by a fist, yes.
 
2011-11-03 03:40:47 PM
We should encourage kids to start pro-gay bullying groups ... they spot a straight kid, they grab him and stuff him in a locker
 
2011-11-03 03:40:57 PM

CanisNoir: Quasar: I have a sincere, moral conviction that Republicans are douchebags.

And saying that isn't prohibited because of the insert the Republicans placed in the bill. Or are you against free speech?


The inserted language allows a teacher to stand in front of their class and call all Republicans evil and say they're going to hell. You ok with that?
 
2011-11-03 03:41:09 PM

Felgraf: So if a muslim, say, seriously believes that all christians are apostates and, while perhaps they shouldn't be put to the sword, their lives should at least be made a living hell, would he be allowed to bully Christians and Jewish people under this law? And the GOP would be cool with that?


By my reading, no, they wouldn't. Let me bold the important part of the insert for you.

"This section does not prohibit a statement of a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction of a school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or a pupil and parent or guardian."


In other words, the Muslim in your example would be fine walking up to a Christian or Jew and tell them that he believes they are apostates that deserve no less than to die by the sword. You see, that is a statement of a sincerely held religious belief and therefore not prohibited because of this rider. Now, if he goes out of his way to make that persons life a living hell, I believe that would be covered under current Harassment law and could be handled through that system. Likewise if he were to get physical, assault would be the charge.

If you're looking for the Evangelical angle, it's so that nobody gets into trouble for saying "I believe you're going to hell if you're gay.".

Again, this insert only protects free speech. I'm surprised so many people are outraged by it.
 
2011-11-03 03:41:10 PM

Elfich: Does that mean Muslims/Zoroastrians/Jews/Hindus/etc can hate on Christians and have it protected by the bullying law?


does it mean that I can hate on people who use the phrase "hate on"?
 
2011-11-03 03:41:22 PM
So does that mean any neo-nazi that holds a "moral conviction" of what they believe in would be perfectly fine to outright slaughter any group they deemed beneath them?
 
2011-11-03 03:41:34 PM

timujin: Diogenes: Cool! I have a moral conviction to kick gingers.

Bring it.


Oh you'd like that wouldn't you?

/recovering ginger
//growing brown as i get older
 
2011-11-03 03:41:52 PM

Elfich: Does that mean Muslims/Zoroastrians/Jews/Hindus/etc can hate on Christians and have it protected by the bullying law?


No. They're not Real Americans so they go to gitmo if they try that sort of shiat.

When will you libtards realize that pro-hate laws like this only extend their loving protection to WASPs?
 
2011-11-03 03:42:50 PM
All you have to do is read a CanisNoir post to know whether you're for or against something.

:D
 
2011-11-03 03:42:52 PM

Fizpez: Looking at this legislation in the absolute BEST possible light it basically says that if I say "I think you being gay means you're going to hell for you're morally reprehensible behavior based on my religious beliefs" then I am not, in fact, bullying that person.

What is means in every other light is it gives legal cover for people to act like douchebags....


also protected: "I think your small minded, antiquated opinions are the result of an incurious mind and bad parenting".

This sword cuts both ways methinks.
 
2011-11-03 03:43:02 PM

tnpir: Serious Black: FTFBill: "This section does not prohibit a statement of a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction of a school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or a pupil and parent or guardian."

I have a moral conviction against people who bully people just because of their sincerely held religious beliefs or moral convictions. Think I'll get a free pass?

Let's try it. Walk into the capitol building in Lansing with an aluminum baseball bat and crack the skull of every Republican in the Senate. You may spend some time in prison, but let's be honest - it will be worth it. I'll even donate to your defense fund.


Sweet! That sounds like a brilliant idea. It'll even allow me to let loose of some the pent-up aggression I have after quitting boxing and wrestling.
 
2011-11-03 03:43:20 PM

Diogenes: timujin: Diogenes: Cool! I have a moral conviction to kick gingers.

Bring it.

Oh you'd like that wouldn't you?

/recovering ginger
//growing brown as i get older


I'm not as orange as I once was, more auburn now and gradually going white. Pale with white hair and beard, I'm going to be a freaky looking old dude.
 
2011-11-03 03:43:25 PM

whidbey: Gunny Highway: This thread is going to get bad quick

It already has.


It never had a chance.
 
2011-11-03 03:43:58 PM

Warlordtrooper: So does that mean any neo-nazi that holds a "moral conviction" of what they believe in would be perfectly fine to outright slaughter any group they deemed beneath them?


I don't think this legislation supersedes laws against murder and assault.
 
2011-11-03 03:44:04 PM
Hey, GOP! Instead of talking about taking back the country, why don't you take back your party. Jesus H. Christ, what in the hell is the matter with you?!
 
2011-11-03 03:44:41 PM

CanisNoir: Again, this insert only protects free speech.


Heh. No.
 
2011-11-03 03:44:48 PM

TravisBickle62: We should encourage kids to start pro-gay bullying groups ... they spot a straight kid, they grab him and stuff him in a locker


iamatvjunkie.typepad.com
/bad screen cap
//obscure
///not really
 
2011-11-03 03:45:05 PM
The GOP: we defend bigotry, violence and stupidity so you don't have to!
 
2011-11-03 03:45:09 PM

Splinshints: CanisNoir: And saying that isn't prohibited because of the insert the Republicans placed in the bill. Or are you against free speech?

Going into their office, following them on the street, and standing outside their home and screaming that in their face day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day until one of them kills themselves is not free speech, it's harassment. Just like it's harassment when one of those shiatheads, or a shiathead like yourself, does the same thing to a gay student. Or anybody else. Even disgusting people like you deserve that protection.


I also want to use the above post to illustrate that their *IS* a difference between a verbal confrontation and harassment or bullying.

If kids don't like each other, even for stupid bigoted reasons, and they say something about it at some point, that's not really bullying. If some dipshiat continually makes life hell for another kid, is violent, pervasive and abusive then that *IS* bullying and it doesn't matter in the farking slightest if it's based upon a "sincere religious belief".

This legislation is trying to give harassment a free pass. Casual disagreements, isolated verbal confrontations or even specific intolerance isn't currently actionable anyhow.. the only thing further legislation like this could be used for would be to give the green light to hunting down specific classes of people and making them miserable.

Either these guys don't understand what bullying actually is or they are just true evil fools.
 
2011-11-03 03:46:18 PM

imnotadoctor: Hey, GOP! Instead of talking about taking back the country, why don't you take back your party. Jesus H. Christ, what in the hell is the matter with you?!


What's there to actually "take back?"

Seriously, isn't it time for the GOP to die?

Where are all the "Fark Independents" who are all clamoring to start a new political party?

Get off your damn asses.
 
2011-11-03 03:46:25 PM

CanadianConservative: yert: CanadianConservative: You southern folk are just stupid.

Michigan is a western state canadian colony.

Except if they were Canadian they would be coming out against bullying like some members of our farking government did.


Your conservative party (which is just to the left of our Democratic Party) did so. Judging by you Fark Handle, can I assume you are a member of that party?
 
2011-11-03 03:46:33 PM
thats real low

I had more of a time, firing gay bars............
 
2011-11-03 03:46:37 PM

Splinshints: Going into their office, following them on the street, and standing outside their home and screaming that in their face day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day after day until one of them kills themselves is not free speech, it's harassment. Just like it's harassment when one of those shiatheads, or a shiathead like yourself, does the same thing to a gay student. Or anybody else. Even disgusting people like you deserve that protection.


Yea, it already exists. You realize that this is an insert into an anti-bullying piece of legislation, and won't invalidate laws already on the books, right? Jesus are people really that stupid?
 
2011-11-03 03:46:38 PM

Vodka Zombie: AdolfOliverPanties: I cannot think of a single issue the GOP is correct about. They are wrong about everything, and many times shamelessly so.

This.

They really have fallen on the wrong side of just about everything.


It's like they think that once they hang themselves they can figure a way out of it. Won't it be fun to watch the heads explode when the GOP (in general) figure out they're no way they can worm their way out of it.
 
2011-11-03 03:46:45 PM
I wonder if they realize they've just made it okay for Muslims to bully Christian kids on the grounds of religious belief.
 
2011-11-03 03:47:01 PM

CanisNoir: Again, this insert only protects free speech. I'm surprised so many people are outraged by it.


It is my deep held religious belief that God is going to set the world in flames at 1:15 PM. I don't know which day, so I need to run around the school everyday yelling "FIRE FIRE FIRE"
 
2011-11-03 03:47:26 PM
Brainwashing children with religious mumbo-jumbo is child abuse and is morally reprehensible.

When your idea of right and wrong comes from made up bullshiat about magic, monsters, and deities then it will be very easy for you to make some poor farking decisions in your life.
 
2011-11-03 03:48:19 PM

Ghastly: I wonder if they realize they've just made it okay for Muslims to bully Christian kids on the grounds of religious belief.


They tend to avoid Dearborn and stick to the West Coast of Michigan. Creepy evangelical area.
 
2011-11-03 03:48:23 PM
Honest question what does an anti-bullying law cover that is not already covered by Harassment or Assault Laws already?

Is it one of those that if the assault is in the act of "bullying" it gets a mandatory sentence type thing?
 
2011-11-03 03:48:44 PM
The Gay Agenda have been pretty successfull with the anti-bullying campaign. Much more effective than the Red Headed Kid with Glasses Agenda.
 
2011-11-03 03:50:06 PM
This is why I beat the shiat out of young republicans. I have morals.
 
2011-11-03 03:50:10 PM

timujin: Diogenes: Cool! I have a moral conviction to kick gingers.

Bring it.


How you doin???
 
2011-11-03 03:50:34 PM

fritton: Either these guys don't understand what bullying actually is or they are just true evil fools.


They're republicans. They hate anybody that isn't white and Christian, so this is what they do. Sure, technically this law legalizes bullying for everybody (which is still entirely wrong - allowing everybody to bully everybody else is still bullshiat), but they know damn well that thanks to sheer numbers what this really means is that the vast majority heterosexual and white/Christian kids are being given a free pass to harass and intimidate based on sexual orientation and religion.

"B-b-b-but technically this applies to everybody".

When, of course, what really happens is the one openly gay kid in school is now a free target for every recalcitrant jackass with a chip on his shoulder as long as the kid says he's doing it because of his "moral beliefs".

Besides, it's a modern republican proposal. At this point is there really any point in even asking if there is ever any honest or moral intent in anything they do these days?
 
2011-11-03 03:50:45 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Honest question what does an anti-bullying law cover that is not already covered by Harassment or Assault Laws already?

Is it one of those that if the assault is in the act of "bullying" it gets a mandatory sentence type thing?


I think those laws holds schools responsible to actually do something about it. Many schools just don't care about it and some old school principals can never be convinced, no matter how many dead students. But they do understand lawsuits.
 
2011-11-03 03:50:53 PM

skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: So does that mean any neo-nazi that holds a "moral conviction" of what they believe in would be perfectly fine to outright slaughter any group they deemed beneath them?

I don't think this legislation supersedes laws against murder and assault.


Good lord I shut my eyes for 5 minutes and "you can say whatever" has turned into letting Nazi's murder?
 
2011-11-03 03:51:04 PM

sweetmelissa31: What if my gang of anti-gay bullies wants to unionize?


You'll be disappointed to learn that the Republican party already exists
 
2011-11-03 03:51:18 PM
And remember, these are also the peeps that think that state takeover of cities is a-ok...even as they rail on federal government meddling.
 
2011-11-03 03:51:36 PM
I want to know why people should even vote for a party dedicated to attacking and removing the civil rights of a group.
 
2011-11-03 03:51:40 PM

CanisNoir: By my reading, no, they wouldn't. Let me bold the important part of the insert for you.

"This section does not prohibit a statement of a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction of a school employee, school volunteer, pupil, or a pupil and parent or guardian."


In other words, the Muslim in your example would be fine walking up to a Christian or Jew and tell them that he believes they are apostates that deserve no less than to die by the sword. You see, that is a statement of a sincerely held religious belief and therefore not prohibited because of this rider. Now, if he goes out of his way to make that persons life a living hell, I believe that would be covered under current Harassment law and could be handled through that system. Likewise if he were to get physical, assault would be the charge.

If you're looking for the Evangelical angle, it's so that nobody gets into trouble for saying "I believe you're going to hell if you're gay.".

Again, this insert only protects free speech. I'm surprised so many people are outraged by it.


Saying it to someone once is offensive douchebaggery, but it is already protected by free speech. What happens when you make that same statement every day? Maybe twice, three times a day? What happens when a dozen or twenty other people are also saying it to that person, in the same polite tones? Do you not see what kind of consequences that could have, especially for a teenager who is already uncertain about his identify, sexual and otherwise?

The problem with this law is not that it covers ground already covered by harassment laws. It is that it defines a specific exemption to bullying that could then be argued is not harassment or bullying despite the consequences it can have. Basically, it gives the douchebags an out that they can use to hurt people at will if they are just careful enough and organized enough.
 
2011-11-03 03:51:44 PM

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: What if my gang of anti-gay bullies wants to unionize?

You'll be disappointed to learn that the Republican party already exists


It's not a GANG...it's a club.
 
2011-11-03 03:51:49 PM

GhostFish: Brainwashing children with religious mumbo-jumbo is child abuse and is morally reprehensible.

When your idea of right and wrong comes from made up bullshiat about magic, monsters, and deities then it will be very easy for you to make some poor farking decisions in your life.



How dare you infringe on my right to raise my child as a wizard in the church of Dungeons & Dragons!
 
2011-11-03 03:51:58 PM
Why do you people keep oppressing religious freedoms? The GOP is the last bastion of sanity in this world.
 
2011-11-03 03:52:42 PM

timujin: Diogenes: Cool! I have a moral conviction to kick gingers.

Bring it.


What he said. You can't fight us, because we have nothing to lose, not even our souls.
 
2011-11-03 03:52:52 PM
Normally all you have to do to reinstitute barbarism into a society is lower the standard of living. I respect anyone vile enough to actually legislate it.
 
2011-11-03 03:53:08 PM

badhatharry: The Gay Agenda have been pretty successfull with the anti-bullying campaign. Much more effective than the Red Headed Kid with Glasses Agenda.


Saying "the Gay Agenda" makes you sound like a tard:

hulshofschmidt.files.wordpress.com

toppun.com

www.tailofthesnake.com

marknelson.biz

/Hopefully you're just trolling...otherwise you're just a dumbass
 
2011-11-03 03:53:27 PM

Need Help Soonish: timujin: Diogenes: Cool! I have a moral conviction to kick gingers.

Bring it.

How you doin???


This thread has become the Perfect shiat Storm
 
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