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(Some Overzealous Cleaner)   Cleaning tip: Before cleaning up a puddle on a museum floor, make sure it isn't a $1.1 million art installation   (acn.liveauctioneers.com) divider line 237
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2011-11-03 09:22:30 PM

Kar98: Farkers, I'm disappoint, this far in, and no "you know who else was a failed German artist?"


Not our fault that you showed up late for the thread, bro.
 
2011-11-03 09:26:31 PM
Works of art not infrequently fall victim to zealous cleaners. In 1986, a "grease stain" by Joseph Beuys valued at around 400,000 euros was mopped away at the Academy of Fine Arts in Duesseldorf, western Germany.

Who the fark writes this shiat.
 
2011-11-03 09:27:10 PM

Lorelle: I wouldn't be surprised to find that many of those who label this work of art as trash also think that rap is music.


OgreMagi: king_nacho: if the cleaning staff can't tell the difference between a mess, and an art installation, and there was no protection around the installation preventing this from happening, then i don't think they cleaning lady is to blame.

If the cleaning woman thinks it's an unsightly mess, it certainly is not art.


video man: srewolf: I don't understand anything about "art." When I was in college, I took an off-the-books job from a gallery in Manhattan to "deconstruct an art installation." Turns out the artist had just filled the room with 2 feet of talcum powder and called it art. My job was to shovel it into garbage bags and set them out on the curb for trash pickup when the exhibition was over.

How is that art?

Because someone rich said it was.


tinyarena: Rent Party:
This is also a Maplethorpe, and it's a gawd damned piece of art.

Nice. You know, I actually like Mr. Maplethorpe's work. But come on, "still life and children?" really?


HeartBurnKid: [www.thelocal.de image 468x284]

Art.

[storeimages.impulsedriven.com image 640x360]

Not art.

...

...

It's times like this I'm forced to confess that I just don't understand people.


nevirus: I love how literally anything that happens is considered art these days.

[img840.imageshack.us image 437x321]

"That's not Mickey Mouse that's just TIT DIRT MY ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONISM!"


Reading over this thread again, I guess I can see what the problem is.

"Art" is any form of creative expression, no matter what one thinks of it. I can consider Ke$ha just as much art as I can Beethoven. I can do this because art isn't always good. Ke$ha is shiatty and Beethoven is one of the most revered composers of all time, but they're both art. And whether or not you consider something to be art is completely irrelevant if somebody else doesn't think it's art. If it was created for artistic expression, then it's art. (Yeah, I know Ke$ha isn't exactly in it for the art, but there's some modicum of creativity in her work.)

Also, subjectivity blah blah blah. My point is, why are you all getting so furious that somebody considers something they don't like art?
 
2011-11-03 09:27:36 PM

roothog: Because People in power are Stupid: Hmmm. What is Art™?

We know what art is! It's pictures of horses.


No it isn't.

Art is monochromatic or surrealistic photos of nude women.

NSFW in case "nude" wasn't enough of a hint for you.
 
2011-11-03 09:28:15 PM
Sorry, "something you don't like art" is what I meant.
 
2011-11-03 09:29:44 PM

DirkTheDaring: Step 1: Create artwork called "Bag of garbage"
Step 2: Insure for $1M
Step 3: Convince snooty museum to display "Bag of garbage"
Step 4: Now we wait.
Step 5: Profit!


That's been done. It's called "Pollock".
 
2011-11-03 09:58:26 PM
The problem is the ludicrous arbitrary values assigned to "art" like this. Sorry but if it looks like a stain or a spill, it's pretty likely that any moron could create a close enough approximation of it. Unless the raw materials are extremely expensive or creating the work is highly labor intensive, no work of art is worth a huge sum, the value comes after the artist is long dead.
 
2011-11-03 09:59:28 PM
It would be hilarious if the cleaning person mentioned to insurance investigators that someone paid her $100 to clean it.
 
2011-11-03 10:05:30 PM
As an artist/illustrator/graphic designer, I get all worked up over these "art" articles. And, then I remember that if I ever make it big as an artist, at least I'll have done it by talent and my integrity shall actually mean something. But, then I slip into the whole emo-whoa-is-me-I'm-a-loser-starving-artist-whaaaa-I-want-ridiculous-am ounts-of-money-for-my-crap-too mode, and I eat a bunch of chocolate and cry and whine in a forum and then shrug and nothing is accomplished. It's a pretty great cycle I've got going so far. Yes, so. That.
 
2011-11-03 10:14:28 PM

Twin 40s: Lorelle: I wouldn't be surprised to find that many of those who label this work of art as trash also think that rap is music.

OgreMagi: king_nacho: if the cleaning staff can't tell the difference between a mess, and an art installation, and there was no protection around the installation preventing this from happening, then i don't think they cleaning lady is to blame.

If the cleaning woman thinks it's an unsightly mess, it certainly is not art.

video man: srewolf: I don't understand anything about "art." When I was in college, I took an off-the-books job from a gallery in Manhattan to "deconstruct an art installation." Turns out the artist had just filled the room with 2 feet of talcum powder and called it art. My job was to shovel it into garbage bags and set them out on the curb for trash pickup when the exhibition was over.

How is that art?

Because someone rich said it was.

tinyarena: Rent Party:
This is also a Maplethorpe, and it's a gawd damned piece of art.

Nice. You know, I actually like Mr. Maplethorpe's work. But come on, "still life and children?" really?

HeartBurnKid: [www.thelocal.de image 468x284]

Art.

[storeimages.impulsedriven.com image 640x360]

Not art.

...

...

It's times like this I'm forced to confess that I just don't understand people.

nevirus: I love how literally anything that happens is considered art these days.

[img840.imageshack.us image 437x321]

"That's not Mickey Mouse that's just TIT DIRT MY ARTISTIC EXPRESSIONISM!"

Reading over this thread again, I guess I can see what the problem is.

"Art" is any form of creative expression, no matter what one thinks of it. I can consider Ke$ha just as much art as I can Beethoven. I can do this because art isn't always good. Ke$ha is shiatty and Beethoven is one of the most revered composers of all time, but they're both art. And whether or not you consider something to be art is completely irrelevant if somebody else doesn't think it's art. If it was created for artistic expression, then it's art. (Yeah, I know Ke$ha isn't exactly in it for the art, but there's some modicum of creativity in her work.)

Also, subjectivity blah blah blah. My point is, why are you all getting so furious that somebody considers something they don't like art?


I decide what's art. For me.
 
2011-11-03 10:27:21 PM
FFS. The biggest case of white people problems ever.
 
2011-11-03 10:31:40 PM

big pig peaches: Works of art not infrequently fall victim to zealous cleaners. In 1986, a "grease stain" by Joseph Beuys valued at around 400,000 euros was mopped away at the Academy of Fine Arts in Duesseldorf, western Germany.

Who the fark writes this shiat.


Settle down. It was probably translated from German.
 
2011-11-03 10:39:50 PM

Grapple: Xenomech: [www.thelocal.de image 468x284]

I'm pretty accepting of a wide variety of art "styles", but unintentional damage done to this piece of shiat is not worthy of INTERNATIONAL NEWS.

You just don't understand the meaning, man.... here, smoke this.....


...I know that this is art after one freshman English class. I also understand what it was highlighting. You're just trying to be funny, right? You aren't deliberately being stupid?

/Because I swear sometimes people are idiots about art on purpose...
 
2011-11-03 10:47:02 PM
If I had a million euros..
I would buy you some art
a Picasso or a Garfunkel
 
2011-11-03 10:48:31 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Then get a little further away from the picture , and perhaps do a bit of squinting. Look at it from a couple of different angles, perhaps. You may still not get anything out of it. Keep trying.


It's a spaceship?
 
2011-11-03 11:13:06 PM

rawbert7: I never understood Pollock either. My roomie in college was just as "abstract". To me abstract should mean, you've proven capable in other mediums, even excelled but prefer this crazy shiate. I never saw any serious art from him.


A joke isn't a good joke if you have to explain it.

Art isn't good art if you have to explain it.

That's why most "art" is crap.
 
2011-11-03 11:18:37 PM

Phelon Hardtimes: FFS. The biggest case of white people problems ever.


No. "One-percenter problems". It's more true and less racist.
 
2011-11-03 11:38:42 PM
Oh art - the thing that is so subjective that some foolish person can - and will - call ANYTHING art. Something like what is described being called "art" is just plain stupid. The idea that it not only had value, but that much value... is just retarded.

I flushed better "art" this morning. And yes, there are people who use feces as art. There is literally no standard.
 
2011-11-03 11:53:13 PM
Call it living art and rename he piece "When the cleaning lady strikes". Invite people to pour their own stain puddles every morning and watch the cleaning lady scrub it clean again in the afternoon.
 
2011-11-03 11:55:04 PM

Twin 40s: Reading over this thread again, I guess I can see what the problem is.

"Art" is any form of creative expression, no matter what one thinks of it. I can consider Ke$ha just as much art as I can Beethoven. I can do this because art isn't always good. Ke$ha is shiatty and Beethoven is one of the most revered composers of all time, but they're both art. And whether or not you consider something to be art is completely irrelevant if somebody else doesn't think it's art. If it was created for artistic expression, then it's art. (Yeah, I know Ke$ha isn't exactly in it for the art, but there's some modicum of creativity in her work.)

Also, subjectivity blah blah blah. My point is, why are you all getting so furious that somebody considers something they don't like art?


So, then, do you believe video games are art?
 
2011-11-04 12:49:47 AM
Put a big sign up with an arrow saying "This is not garbage, do not throw it away" pointing to something, and you may soon learn many house cleaners do not read English.

Once where I worked the computers were inexplicably dying every night. Took me getting stuck late with a problem one evening to discover the cleaning crew brought in 8 vacuum cleaners at once, plugged them all in in the same location, and mass-vacuumed for about 5 minutes until a circuit breaker blew, then sent someone to turn all of the circuit breakers off and on again. Including the one powering the computer I was working on, with hours of unsaved work.

They did not see what was wrong with this, and blew the breaker/shut down everything twice more while I tried to explain to the one in charge. He could not speak English. I put a lock on the circuit breaker box. They blew the circuit again, and finding they could not get in, he came back to complain. In English.

They don't give a shiat.
 
2011-11-04 12:54:02 AM

SwiftFox: Put a big sign up with an arrow saying "This is not garbage, do not throw it away" pointing to something, and you may soon learn many house cleaners do not read English.

Once where I worked the computers were inexplicably dying every night. Took me getting stuck late with a problem one evening to discover the cleaning crew brought in 8 vacuum cleaners at once, plugged them all in in the same location, and mass-vacuumed for about 5 minutes until a circuit breaker blew, then sent someone to turn all of the circuit breakers off and on again. Including the one powering the computer I was working on, with hours of unsaved work.

They did not see what was wrong with this, and blew the breaker/shut down everything twice more while I tried to explain to the one in charge. He could not speak English. I put a lock on the circuit breaker box. They blew the circuit again, and finding they could not get in, he came back to complain. In English.

They don't give a shiat.


They don't know that that is a farking fire hazard? Forget losing saved work when the building goes up in flames.
 
2011-11-04 01:32:32 AM

tinyarena: Rent Party:
This is also a Maplethorpe, and it's a gawd damned piece of art.

Nice. You know, I actually like Mr. Maplethorpe's work. But come on, "still life and children?" really?


Yeah, really. The dude spent most of his time shooting flowers, kids, and statues.
 
2011-11-04 01:40:05 AM
inplaceofrealinsight.files.wordpress.com
 
2011-11-04 02:13:14 AM

enricofermi:
Peter the Kitti
Mrs. Jackson
10.5"x7", Oil on board
Acquired from Salvation Army Thrift Store by Scott Wilson


I'm so envious. I love Thrift Store Art!
 
2011-11-04 02:16:31 AM

SwiftFox: Including the one powering the computer I was working on, with hours of unsaved work.


If you have hours of unsaved work, you're doing it wrong. Even if the software you're using doesn't auto-save, It's not that hard to train yourself to automatically hit ctrl-S (or esc :w if you're hardcore) whenever you stop to think for a second.
 
2011-11-04 03:58:40 AM
acn.liveauctioneers.com
 
2011-11-04 05:34:44 AM

Sybarite: [www.thelocal.de image 468x284]


Thank you, I had trouble believing they felt it was necessary to include a picture of the museum but not the farking art work the article was about.
 
2011-11-04 08:16:59 AM
Natural art:

www.arttherapyblog.com
 
2011-11-04 09:31:09 AM

clyph: roothog: Because People in power are Stupid: Hmmm. What is Art™?

We know what art is! It's pictures of horses.

No it isn't.

Art is monochromatic or surrealistic photos of nude women.

NSFW in case "nude" wasn't enough of a hint for you.


So apparently, there are things too obscure for Fark.
 
2011-11-04 09:36:38 AM

clyph: SwiftFox: Including the one powering the computer I was working on, with hours of unsaved work.

If you have hours of unsaved work, you're doing it wrong. Even if the software you're using doesn't auto-save, It's not that hard to train yourself to automatically hit ctrl-S (or esc :w if you're hardcore) whenever you stop to think for a second.



Yes, good luck saving the iterative-solution computer program that was running all night 'til they blew the breaker. If it had to save every timestep to a recoverable state, I dont even want to think about how long it would take to run my simulations.

/No clue what clyph, was running, but I'm guessing it wasn't the kind of program with Crtl+S (or 'esc :w') as available commands.
 
2011-11-04 09:59:20 AM
Such moving works, with incredibly deep meaning and message.
 
2011-11-04 10:01:20 AM

Catlike Typist: Yoyo: Seriously, how is this impossible to repair?

The artist is dead. Gotta repair him first.


BS. The ceiling of the Sistine Chapel was repaired long after Michelangelo was dead. It was a shame to go all the way to Rome just to see lots of scaffolding and drop cloths. Da Vinci's Adam and Eve have been repaired (multiple times) and are probably worth more now then ever before. This piece is relatively new also, so it's not like the technique has been lost to the ages.
 
2011-11-04 11:12:59 AM
*views alleged art*

Hmmmmm.

No sir, I don't like it.
 
2011-11-04 12:20:33 PM

elffster: Here is some modern Fark art.....this is ART!!

I give you:

img230.imageshack.us


Something about this concept amuses me to no end. Art indeed.

/+1 would LOL again.
 
2011-11-04 12:34:56 PM

Lorelle: I wouldn't be surprised to find that many of those who label this work of art as trash also think that rap is music.


I'm willing to accept it conditionally. It may not be 'high brow', but it's performed mostly rythmetically set to music.

Of course, the art that was 'cleaned', well, I suppose it might make more sense to me in person, rather than a static image of one side. I'll give it a conditional: 'Sure, it's art, but $1.1M?'.
 
2011-11-04 04:14:09 PM

Raoul Eaton: Yessirreee, Fark is where I always go for insightful comments on what is and isn't art. Y'all make me feel so enlightened. Now, go enjoy your Thomas Kincaid paintings of kittens with big eyes playing poker with dogs, while I take your wisdom and move on to somewhere else.

Clearly

the only other option is to laud the artistic genius of a goddamn grease stain...
 
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