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2011-11-03 02:20:56 PM
If all Republicans came to their senses, they'd be primarying Snowe for President, not the Senate.
 
2011-11-03 02:29:38 PM
hillbillypharmacist: Snowe for President

A licky boom-boom down.
 
2011-11-03 02:45:49 PM
hillbillypharmacist: If all Republicans came to their senses, they'd be primarying Snowe for President, not the Senate.

This!
 
2011-11-03 02:50:06 PM
I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.
 
2011-11-03 03:14:12 PM
mrshowrules: hillbillypharmacist: If all Republicans came to their senses, they'd be primarying Snowe for President, not the Senate.

This!


Pretty much. I campaigned for her for her first Senate bid. I was glad that she stood against NAFTA and her support of Maine's interests as well as the nation make me glad that I did. She was a stellar First Lady for Maine when Jock was Governor, and she's been an excellent Senator.
 
2011-11-03 03:18:30 PM
Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

Probably because she's been one of the few remaining moderate Republicans in the senate. For example, she along with Collins and Lugar broke the filibuster on the financial reform bill. But yeah, as the Republican party got majorly Tea Partied, she saw the looming challenge from her right and has been sticking more to the party line this year. I've also read rumors that Reid hasn't been very good at courting her vote lately so she hasn't been as willing to move across the aisle on votes.
 
2011-11-03 03:20:08 PM
Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

The difference is Snowe is intelligent and capable of rational thought. You don't see her herping and derping till her face is all red. This makes her an anomaly in the GOP.
 
2011-11-03 03:24:28 PM
CitizenTed: Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

The difference is Snowe is intelligent and capable of rational thought. You don't see her herping and derping till her face is all red. This makes her an anomaly in the GOP.


Yep... I don't always agree with her, and she is most assuredly a Republican, but she's not part of the "Petulant Child" Wing of the GOP that is at the helm these days.
 
2011-11-03 03:37:33 PM
Nogrhi: hillbillypharmacist: Snowe for President

A licky boom-boom down.


*Golf clap*
 
2011-11-03 04:00:20 PM
Yeah, conservatives are crazy. Yeah. Okay. Olympia Snowe should be jailed for being a Democrat.
 
2011-11-03 05:29:43 PM
I thought it was a joke name until I read the article.
 
2011-11-03 05:32:30 PM
Amazing. New England Republicans are not as batshiat insane as I though.

Why, they might even be Democrats if they ran in Texas or Mississippi...
 
2011-11-03 05:33:07 PM
Nogrhi: hillbillypharmacist: Snowe for President

A licky boom-boom down.


Informer!
 
2011-11-03 05:39:32 PM
Nogrhi: hillbillypharmacist: Snowe for President

A licky boom-boom down.


I thought Canadians were ineligble to run for office in the US.
 
2011-11-03 05:46:25 PM
meat0918: Amazing. New England Republicans are not as batshiat insane as I though.

Why, they might even be Democrats Soshulists if they ran in Texas or Mississippi...


sad but true
 
2011-11-03 06:01:36 PM
Soup4Bonnie: all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

This. She's worse than any damn teabagger. At least they don't hold any pretense of being moderate. When the going gets tough, so gets in line with the rest of them EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
 
2011-11-03 06:06:18 PM
Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

Her default reaction isn't "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU". That's where the love comes from.
 
2011-11-03 06:09:16 PM
Johnny Swank: Soup4Bonnie: all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

This. She's worse than any damn teabagger. At least they don't hold any pretense of being moderate. When the going gets tough, so gets in line with the rest of them EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.



My guess is that you're overstating your case more than a little bit, but my apathy says "no, I won't look it up."
 
2011-11-03 06:12:50 PM
Johnny Swank: Soup4Bonnie: all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

This. She's worse than any damn teabagger. At least they don't hold any pretense of being moderate. When the going gets tough, so gets in line with the rest of them EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.


I was gonna say something like this. It doesn't matter WHY she votes in lockstep to obstruct legislation or how carefully she considered the nuances before she did so. It's like the old sports cliche about your record: You are what you voted for.

Similarly, moderate Republicans should be happy with the one that currently inhabits the White House. Second one you've had in the past 15 years.
 
2011-11-03 06:12:52 PM
this is not the end this is not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning
 
2011-11-03 06:13:51 PM
hubiestubert: mrshowrules: hillbillypharmacist: If all Republicans came to their senses, they'd be primarying Snowe for President, not the Senate.

This!

Pretty much. I campaigned for her for her first Senate bid. I was glad that she stood against NAFTA and her support of Maine's interests as well as the nation make me glad that I did. She was a stellar First Lady for Maine when Jock was Governor, and she's been an excellent Senator.


What has she done lately (since, say, 2008) that makes her stand out from the rest of the filibuster brigade? All I can remember is that she pretended to negotiate in good faith during the health reform debate before reneging. Avoiding making laughable/Fark-worthy comments in public does not absolve her of dozens of failed 50-something to 40-something lockstep votes over the past few years.
 
2011-11-03 06:14:41 PM
DrBenway: Johnny Swank: Soup4Bonnie: all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

This. She's worse than any damn teabagger. At least they don't hold any pretense of being moderate. When the going gets tough, so gets in line with the rest of them EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.


My guess is that you're overstating your case more than a little bit, but my apathy says "no, I won't look it up."


No, he's barely overstating. She does this whole big dance of being concerned and looking from both sides and the DC press goes gaga for her and then she vote GOP and no one ever says anything until the next time. I'd rather they vote in a Tea-derper than her.
 
2011-11-03 06:15:55 PM
CitizenTed: The difference is Snowe is intelligent and capable of rational thought. You don't see her herping and derping till her face is all red. This makes her an anomaly in the GOP.

Snowe (and Collins) enables the worst of the GOP. They may not blather about gay marriage destroying the fabric of the universe but their votes belie reputed moderation.
 
2011-11-03 06:18:37 PM
Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

She's the Democrat's version of Lieberman: sure she's a loyal party member on the largest profile issues, but is one of the easiest to flip on smaller matters. She's been a member of most of the "Gang of _______" groups that have managed to make compromises they could convince both parties to support to some degree and has injected the slightest bit of comity into the debate.

Other than her crap on the health bill (she eventually got to the point where she admitted that there were no modifications she would ask for to improve the bill, but needed months to consider if she would vote yes instead of admitting that she did not have the political capital to vote for it even though she liked it) she's generally been a helpful player when she is at the table. I'd much prefer Congress have more good faith negotiators on both sides than seeing more partisan members who I know will do whatever it takes to "win". The idea that Democrats need more of those to address the problem of Republicans being like that is stupid to me.

Also, does anyone disagree with this statement: "in most cases the concessions to get a vote from Snowe are more palatable than the concessions to get a vote from Ben Nelson"?
 
2011-11-03 06:25:21 PM
Grungehamster: Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

She's the Democrat's version of Lieberman: sure she's a loyal party member on the largest profile issues, but is one of the easiest to flip on smaller matters.


By that definition there are no small matters in the current Senate, beyond naming post offices.

She's been a member of most of the "Gang of _______" groups that have managed to make compromises they could convince both parties to support to some degree and has injected the slightest bit of comity into the debate.

Other than her crap on the health bill (she eventually got to the point where she admitted that there were no modifications she would ask for to improve the bill, but needed months to consider if she would vote yes instead of admitting that she did not have the political capital to vote for it even though she liked it) she's generally been a helpful player when she is at the table. I'd much prefer Congress have more good faith negotiators on both sides than seeing more partisan members who I know will do whatever it takes to "win". The idea that Democrats need more of those to address the problem of Republicans being like that is stupid to me.


What she did during the health care reform debate was the opposite of good faith negotiating.

Also, does anyone disagree with this statement: "in most cases the concessions to get a vote from Snowe are more palatable than the concessions to get a vote from Ben Nelson"?

True, but a) her voting record recently on anything of note has been straight GOP, b) even if she flipped she can't bring anyone else with her, and c) fark Ben Nelson.
 
2011-11-03 06:27:13 PM
darthbandon: I thought it was a joke name until I read the article.

What? Maine? Everyone forgets about that state.
 
2011-11-03 06:29:11 PM
Grungehamster: Other than her crap on the health bill ...she's generally been a helpful player when she is at the table.

B.S. She dicked around on both DADT and the DREAM act. She's not that helpful.

Grungehamster: Also, does anyone disagree with this statement: "in most cases the concessions to get a vote from Snowe are more palatable than the concessions to get a vote from Ben Nelson"?

I know what you're saying, but I can actually be against both Blue Dogs (looking at you Max Baucus) and Moderates in Name Only.
 
2011-11-03 06:31:58 PM
Here's a picture of my Doggie, and his favorite toy "Olympia Snowe". They say doggies have the intellect of a 3 year old human. I'd buy that, because he seriously won't go to sleep without his "teddy bear rhino".

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2011-11-03 06:43:59 PM
I primaried her back in the day. But it only lasted until the general eruption.
 
2011-11-03 07:13:31 PM
Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

It's because we all want to fark her

/at least I do
 
2011-11-03 07:17:03 PM
While it gives me a little hope, I kinda just want the Tea Party to drag the GOP into its grave. If all America has left in the Republican Party is racists and conspiracy theorists obsessed with communism and secret Muslims, totally unwilling to compromise with anyone but themselves, maybe that party will go extinct and we can have a new party that doesn't have to pander to religious nutjobs all the time.
 
2011-11-03 07:24:04 PM
If they primary Snowe, then the Democrats will run her as their candidate so you get Snowe as the worst case scenario instead of the best case scenario. It would be stupid as hell not to primary her ass.
 
2011-11-03 07:25:18 PM
Soup4Bonnie: Grungehamster: Other than her crap on the health bill BEFORE THE TEAPARTY brought it's derp to the national stage...she's generally been a helpful player when she is at the table.

B.S. She dicked around on both DADT and the DREAM act. She's not that helpful.

Grungehamster: Also, does anyone disagree with this statement: "in most cases the concessions to get a vote from Snowe are more palatable than the concessions to get a vote from Ben Nelson"?

I know what you're saying, but I can actually be against both Blue Dogs (looking at you Max Baucus) and Moderates in Name Only.



FTFY
 
2011-11-03 07:26:54 PM
CorporatePerson: While it gives me a little hope, I kinda just want the Tea Party to drag the GOP into its grave. If all America has left in the Republican Party is racists and conspiracy theorists obsessed with communism and secret Muslims, totally unwilling to compromise with anyone but themselves, maybe that party will go extinct and we can have a new party that doesn't have to pander to religious nutjobs all the time.

You're not paying attention to the man behind the curtain. The visible face of the GOP is the smoke and flash of all you've described, but in reality those are the just useful idiots. The real GOP is the payoff economy and the backroom deals and big money. The rest of it, including all of the highly vocal shills here and elsewhere, is just a distraction.

The Republican Party isn't going anywhere.
 
2011-11-03 07:29:34 PM
IoSaturnalia: CorporatePerson: While it gives me a little hope, I kinda just want the Tea Party to drag the GOP into its grave. If all America has left in the Republican Party is racists and conspiracy theorists obsessed with communism and secret Muslims, totally unwilling to compromise with anyone but themselves, maybe that party will go extinct and we can have a new party that doesn't have to pander to religious nutjobs all the time.

You're not paying attention to the man behind the curtain. The visible face of the GOP is the smoke and flash of all you've described, but in reality those are the just useful idiots. The real GOP is the payoff economy and the backroom deals and big money. The rest of it, including all of the highly vocal shills here and elsewhere, is just a distraction.

The Republican Party isn't going anywhere.


That was depressingly succinct in it's accuracy.
 
2011-11-03 07:31:36 PM
hillbillypharmacist: If all Republicans came to their senses, they'd be primarying Snowe for President, not the Senate.

If all Republicans came to their senses, there'd be no Republicans.

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2011-11-03 07:34:35 PM
Noam Chimpsky: If they primary Snowe, then the Democrats will run her as their candidate so you get Snowe as the worst case scenario instead of the best case scenario. It would be stupid as hell not to primary her ass.

your right again................as always

but how can you be sure the DIM-o-RATS will keep their word...............and run her?


but in any case, primary her...................and take the risk............the trea of freedom..............needst to be watered with the blood.................of a few rhinos, I say
 
2011-11-03 07:46:31 PM
CitizenTed: Soup4Bonnie: I don't get the love for Snowe from some in the middle or left. She's contributed to the obstructionism just like all the other Senate Republicans and votes with them almost entirely in lock step. She is part of the problem.

The difference is Snowe is intelligent and capable of rational thought. You don't see her herping and derping till her face is all red. This makes her an anomaly in the GOP.


'I support Snowe because she brings something very unique to the GOP table.'
'Like what?'
'Sanity.'
 
2011-11-03 08:10:29 PM
Dumb name. Dumb face. Dumb ass people who voted for her.
 
2011-11-03 08:10:50 PM
Skleenar: Noam Chimpsky: If they primary Snowe, then the Democrats will run her as their candidate so you get Snowe as the worst case scenario instead of the best case scenario. It would be stupid as hell not to primary her ass.

your right again................as always

but how can you be sure the DIM-o-RATS will keep their word...............and run her?


but in any case, primary her...................and take the risk............the trea of freedom..............needst to be watered with the blood.................of a few rhinos, I say


Or the GOP keeps winning elections with Snowe and Collins, and keeps the locals appeased with Impie.

For folks who aren't from Maine, it's hard to imagine the sort of loyalty that she has earned in the state. Not since Margaret Chase Smith--who was the first woman elected to both the House and the Senate, and likewise the first woman to receive a nomination for the US Presidency. Snowe is very much in line with the Republican Party in Maine, and represents her constituency well. There are those in the Idiot Brigade who would love her seat, but they have a big fight uphill to get her off that ticket.

The National Convention? They'd love to see someone replace her--someone disposable as Palin or any other flash in the pan. But she represents her constituents and I wish them luck in trying to replace her. Because the people of Maine love her.
 
2011-11-03 08:28:10 PM
Maine is farking Alabama North. No wonder they love their teabagging Senators. I never accused them of being bright, that's for damn sure.
 
2011-11-03 08:31:12 PM
hubiestubert: Because the people of Maine love her.

Then she can run as a Democrat. Wouldn't it be nice to have one member of the Democrat Party who could be sensible on occasion?
 
2011-11-03 08:37:12 PM
She's a RINO. She should really switch parties...as most NE Reps are about as "right-wing" as a European "right-winger" is considered compared to a Republican.
 
2011-11-03 08:50:46 PM
ramblinwreck: She's a RINO. She should really switch parties...as most NE Reps are about as "right-wing" as a European "right-winger" is considered compared to a Republican.

Noam Chimpsky: hubiestubert: Because the people of Maine love her.

Then she can run as a Democrat. Wouldn't it be nice to have one member of the Democrat Party who could be sensible on occasion?


I love how folks from Ohio and Minnesota have great suggestions of how folks from Maine should run their own party. You keep putting up folks from the Idiot Brigade, and maybe the folks in Maine will put up their own folks.

I'm glad that I worked on this woman's campaign, and I'm glad that she's still doing her job.
 
2011-11-03 08:51:01 PM
Snowe > Tebow
 
2011-11-03 09:15:41 PM
Damn, I wanted to steal her seats for the dems. :)

Oh well, this is fine. She's usually somewhat sensible, I like her. Not often, but sometimes. Which is better than everyone else's never.
 
2011-11-03 09:20:52 PM
Johnny Swank: Maine is farking Alabama North. No wonder they love their teabagging Senators. I never accused them of being bright, that's for damn sure.

Says the guy from North Cackilackey.
 
2011-11-03 09:24:33 PM
hubiestubert: ramblinwreck: She's a RINO. She should really switch parties...as most NE Reps are about as "right-wing" as a European "right-winger" is considered compared to a Republican.

Noam Chimpsky: hubiestubert: Because the people of Maine love her.

Then she can run as a Democrat. Wouldn't it be nice to have one member of the Democrat Party who could be sensible on occasion?

I love how folks from Ohio and Minnesota have great suggestions of how folks from Maine should run their own party. You keep putting up folks from the Idiot Brigade, and maybe the folks in Maine will put up their own folks.

I'm glad that I worked on this woman's campaign, and I'm glad that she's still doing her job.


FYI I'm not FROM Ohio. I live here because the Air Force says I should live here. I've lived in CA (twice), MS, FL, GA, IL, TX, Lajes AB, and now OH. So STFU
 
2011-11-03 09:37:18 PM
ramblinwreck: FYI I'm not FROM Ohio. I live here because the Air Force says I should live here. I've lived in CA (twice), MS, FL, GA, IL, TX, Lajes AB, and now OH. So STFU

So, you don't aren't eligible to vote in Maine. My point stands. Register in Maine, and then you can have something to say about how Mainers vote for their Congresscritters. I am no fan of Bachmann, and I certainly won't support her in the Primaries, but if Minnesotans want her, that's their business. The same as Cantor.

The cries of RINO about a woman who upholds the traditions that gave the party its first woman nominated for our party ring a wee bit ironic. Elect your own Congressfolk, and let Maine elect theirs. Until you are eligible to vote in Maine, maybe you might want to take your own advice...
 
2011-11-03 10:01:03 PM
This is what annoys me. The cries of "Real America." Because the folks who have lived in this country since its founding, who come from the original states, who signed the Constitution, who founded this nation, they're not "Real American" enough.

Maine. Massachusetts. Connecticut. The East Coast is just not real American enough. Nope. It's got to be folks who were Johnny Come Latelies. Whose lands weren't even explored until after all the hard work to found the nation was done, they're "real" enough. Not the folks who actually were here from the very beginning. Not the folks who've been sending folks to the Congress since before other states were even thought of. Heck, some whose states weren't even thought of until AFTER the Civil War.

Funnier, states like Maine, that keep sending strong Republicans to the Congress, they're just not real enough, because they aren't the radicals that other folks spend like cheap coin. Maine doesn't hold to the shifting tides of public opinion with quite so easy a sway, and somehow that translates to not being "Conservative" enough.

And people wonder why I look down on the mouth breathing set that have infested my party, and brought us to this pass. The only RINOs I see, are radicals who think that the Constitution needs "fixing". You shame the party, and you shame the nation. And if folks oppose you, from within the party, you might want to look to the folks who haven't swung with idle winds of popular opinion, but held onto Republican values, and held onto the values that this nation was founded upon.
 
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