"favoUrite", subby.

The 350Z handle? Sweet jesus, it is so ugly it ruins the entire car.

Just read their blog about the SSC Aero and the Venom GT. Sounds like the Venom is an ass-kicker of biblical proportions.

My vote for best door handle: 1978 Ford Fiesta.

These are stupid looking. When I was looking for a car, I thought about the z and immediately started looking for aftermarket handles or trying to scheme a way to get them painted. But I went cheaper and got an altima coupe instead. I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

cjmook21: I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Don't be alarmed, but you're going to catch hellfire for this statement.

cjmook21: I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

If you can't drive a manual, you shouldn't be looking at cars like the 350Z in the first place. The whole point of the car is entirely ruined by the inclusion of a slushbox.

Kreigenstein: The 350Z handle? Sweet jesus, it is so ugly it ruins the entire car.

I don't know, I like them. I think it gives your eyes a focal point as they're following the oh=so-pretty lines of that car.

I was always partial to the Volvo 240 door handle.

Instead of pulling it with four fingers, you flick it with two...

Rub your hand under the ridge...

on the underside is a little nipple that you push to pop...

...ejecting from its slot. Then pull on the end...

Are we still talking about door handles?

Aha! I have one of the 7 favourite door handles!
_{But which one?}

cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

These are stupid looking. When I was looking for a car, I thought about the z and immediately started looking for aftermarket handles or trying to scheme a way to get them painted. But I went cheaper and got an altima coupe instead. I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

You were looking for an automatic Z car?

What kind of monster are you?

King Keepo: Aha! I have one of the 7 favourite door handles!
But which one?

I'm going to wager on the 147.

The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

Fish in a Barrel: The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

what happens if the transponder key breaks?

Kreigenstein: The 350Z handle? Sweet jesus, it is so ugly it ruins the entire car.

I completely and totally agree. In fact, I clicked through the slideshow to be sure that it wasn't there. I am profoundly disgusted.

ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

what happens if the transponder key breaks?

Well then I suppose you're farked. Just like any cold morning when the locks would freeze on my old VW.

Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

what happens if the transponder key breaks?

Well then I suppose you're farked. Just like any cold morning when the locks would freeze on my old VW.

So is your argument, 'The transponder key is MORE reliable then a manual key and lock."?

Or is your argument, 'VW locks suck too!'?

cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

And door handle you can walk away from is a good door handle.

unicron702: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

To be fair learning to drive a manual transmission is a rare and difficult skill to learn. Only 6 people on the planet know it!

(seriously go learn dude, it won't take 30 minutes and then you will be able to drive ANYTHING... maybe not a tank)

ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

what happens if the transponder key breaks?

Well then I suppose you're farked. Just like any cold morning when the locks would freeze on my old VW.

So is your argument, 'The transponder key is MORE reliable then a manual key and lock."?

Or is your argument, 'VW locks suck too!'?

Both! Seriously, though, I suppose my point was "the MTBF of the transponder key system may be lower than that of a physical key." In the seven years I've had a wireless lock system, I've experienced zero problems, as opposed to the many problems I had with a physical key. The industry has been using keyless entry for many years (decades?) now. Even transponders systems have been around for the better part of a decade. If their reliability was a major concern, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it by now.

Skwishmitten: Just read their blog about the SSC Aero and the Venom GT. Sounds like the Venom is an ass-kicker of biblical proportions.

My vote for best door handle: 1978 Ford Fiesta.

My first car was an '80 Fiesta. I got lucky and had got a hold of a '79 and a '78 for parts cars. I had a blast in that car!

ronin7: So is your argument, 'The transponder key is MORE reliable then a manual key and lock."?

I don't really understand what you're getting at. Physical keys break too. What difference does it make if you break the physical key or you break the transponder? In one case you get a new key made, in the other case you program a blank. Either way it's really just a matter of replacing the broken key, it's just a matter of how you do it.

ronin7: unicron702: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

To be fair learning to drive a manual transmission is a rare and difficult skill to learn. Only 6 people on the planet know it!

(seriously go learn dude, it won't take 30 minutes and then you will be able to drive ANYTHING... maybe not a tank)

Hell, if I, the most uncoordinated human being in existence, can learn to drive a stick, anyone can.

/it's just more fun
//zoom zoom

cjmook21: I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Incorrect.

You would GET to learn to drive a stick.

/you're a wuss

Fish in a Barrel: Seriously, though, I suppose my point was "the MTBF of the transponder key system may be lower higher than that of a physical key."

Doh! FTFM.

ronin7: unicron702: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

To be fair learning to drive a manual transmission is a rare and difficult skill to learn. Only 6 people on the planet know it!

(seriously go learn dude, it won't take 30 minutes and then you will be able to drive ANYTHING... maybe not a tank)

I never had an opportunity to learn to drive stick shift. But a few years ago, somebody took me along to drive a company truck back from the garage to the office and just dropped me off. I got in, and realized what I was dealing with. I had a pretty good idea about how everything worked but had just not had experience. So after stalling out a few times, I got it figured out and did fine. No big deal.

Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: The Tesla S has hide-away door handles similar to #1, but they slide out when they sense the transponder key nearby.

/I want one.

what happens if the transponder key breaks?

Well then I suppose you're farked. Just like any cold morning when the locks would freeze on my old VW.

So is your argument, 'The transponder key is MORE reliable then a manual key and lock."?

Or is your argument, 'VW locks suck too!'?

Both! Seriously, though, I suppose my point was "the MTBF of the transponder key system may be lower than that of a physical key." In the seven years I've had a wireless lock system, I've experienced zero problems, as opposed to the many problems I had with a physical key. The industry has been using keyless entry for many years (decades?) now. Even transponders systems have been around for the better part of a decade. If their reliability was a major concern, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it by now.


Fair enough.

I am just an old school kind of guy when it comes to replacing simple mechanical systems with electronics. Just a hair of technophobia because I see electronics break down all the time.

Recently rebuilt an 82 UJM (Suzuki 650GS) wonderful how simple everything on that bike is.

Splinshints: ronin7: So is your argument, 'The transponder key is MORE reliable then a manual key and lock."?

I don't really understand what you're getting at. Physical keys break too. What difference does it make if you break the physical key or you break the transponder? In one case you get a new key made, in the other case you program a blank. Either way it's really just a matter of replacing the broken key, it's just a matter of how you do it.

What I was getting at, was simple conjecture that a simple mechanical lock would be fair more reliable than even the most reliable bit of electronics.

Perhaps it was baseless but none the less that was my point.

Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: unicron702: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

To be fair learning to drive a manual transmission is a rare and difficult skill to learn. Only 6 people on the planet know it!

(seriously go learn dude, it won't take 30 minutes and then you will be able to drive ANYTHING... maybe not a tank)

Hell, if I, the most uncoordinated human being in existence, can learn to drive a stick, anyone can.

/it's just more fun
//zoom zoom

Seriously it is a skill every adult should have. Plus you can actually enjoy driving at that point. Could you imagine driving a slushbox Z through a Californian canyon road?

cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

I'm assuming no one is actually dumb enough to mean that sincerely in a Fark car thread...so 10/10. Multiple bites.

sxacho: ronin7: unicron702: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

Ahahaha, oh wow. If you're a guy just kill yourself now, it's farking over for you.

To be fair learning to drive a manual transmission is a rare and difficult skill to learn. Only 6 people on the planet know it!

(seriously go learn dude, it won't take 30 minutes and then you will be able to drive ANYTHING... maybe not a tank)

I never had an opportunity to learn to drive stick shift. But a few years ago, somebody took me along to drive a company truck back from the garage to the office and just dropped me off. I got in, and realized what I was dealing with. I had a pretty good idea about how everything worked but had just not had experience. So after stalling out a few times, I got it figured out and did fine. No big deal.

I learned on my dad's 85 GMC half-ton. And that sadistic bastard made stop at an overpass after like 30 minutes of training.

ronin7: What I was getting at, was simple conjecture that a simple mechanical lock would be fair more reliable than even the most reliable bit of electronics.

I don't think that's true. I think people vastly underestimate the reliability of simple, well-made electronics these days.

ronin7: Could you imagine driving a slushbox Z through a Californian canyon road?

Yes, but it makes me cry on the inside.

I just get pissed about it because I hate going looking for nice used sports cars in the U.S. only to find that three quarters of the goddamn things are automatics.

What the fark is the point of buying a driver's car with an automatic gearbox. If you can't drive don't buy a driver's car.

bemis23: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

I'm assuming no one is actually dumb enough to mean that sincerely in a Fark car thread...so 10/10. Multiple bites.

I think your trolldar is hitting a false positive. Might want to dial the sensitivity down a bit on that thing.

Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

People really are like that. People really do act like that even in 'car threads'.

Splinshints: ronin7: What I was getting at, was simple conjecture that a simple mechanical lock would be fair more reliable than even the most reliable bit of electronics.

I don't think that's true. I think people vastly underestimate the reliability of simple, well-made electronics these days.

ronin7: Could you imagine driving a slushbox Z through a Californian canyon road?

Yes, but it makes me cry on the inside.

I just get pissed about it because I hate going looking for nice used sports cars in the U.S. only to find that three quarters of the goddamn things are automatics.

What the fark is the point of buying a driver's car with an automatic gearbox. If you can't drive don't buy a driver's car.

Me too my friend.

ronin7: Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

Last I heard, manual were only 7% of new car sales, and dropping.

Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

Last I heard, manual were only 7% of new car sales, and dropping.

Well some of the sports cars are paddle shifter and the like... which can go fully automatic... but I can't imagine together with old school manuals they make up more then twice that.

Just Arrived: Skwishmitten: Just read their blog about the SSC Aero and the Venom GT. Sounds like the Venom is an ass-kicker of biblical proportions.

My vote for best door handle: 1978 Ford Fiesta.

My first car was an '80 Fiesta. I got lucky and had got a hold of a '79 and a '78 for parts cars. I had a blast in that car!

Yeah it was my first car, too. Man that thing was a survivor. I had garden hose for radiator hoses and more zip ties than you can imagine. Painted flames on the side and it got me my first two speeding tickets, lol.

ronin7: bemis23: cjmook21: [www.topgear.com image 640x359]

I would have had to learn to drive a stick otherwise.

I'm assuming no one is actually dumb enough to mean that sincerely in a Fark car thread...so 10/10. Multiple bites.

I think your trolldar is hitting a false positive. Might want to dial the sensitivity down a bit on that thing.

Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

People really are like that. People really do act like that even in 'car threads'.

I know what you mean about the difficulty in finding a manual. I've started looking for a new sports sedan and I've got some fairly basic requirements:

6-cylinder engine
Manual transmission
Sedan
within 100 miles of my zip
2009+

Autotrader results: 2 standard CTSs. Only good thing to come out of that search is being able to convince the wife that the car I want doesn't really exist as a sedan in that price range.

I liked the one built into the c pillar of the 3rd generation RX7



or the little finger latch of the 1st generation miata



Mazda has done some neat stuff, stop hating.

ronin7: Well some of the sports cars are paddle shifter

This is a Top Gear thread.

Please use the proper term "Flappy paddle gear box"

ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

Last I heard, manual were only 7% of new car sales, and dropping.

Well some of the sports cars are paddle shifter and the like... which can go fully automatic... but I can't imagine together with old school manuals they make up more then twice that.

As far as I know, the advent of computer-modulated shifting made the automatic gearbox faster than the manual in terms of shift-times. It basically the opposite of what the problem was when the automatics first came out. I don't know, is there any other reason, apart from a greater sense of being part of the car, that a stick would be better?

Skwishmitten: ronin7: Fish in a Barrel: ronin7: Go to a car dealership and count the number of people who look at otherwise sports cars but have no intention of driving a real transmission. Hell, just count the manuals you see!

Last I heard, manual were only 7% of new car sales, and dropping.

Well some of the sports cars are paddle shifter and the like... which can go fully automatic... but I can't imagine together with old school manuals they make up more then twice that.

As far as I know, the advent of computer-modulated shifting made the automatic gearbox faster than the manual in terms of shift-times. It basically the opposite of what the problem was when the automatics first came out. I don't know, is there any other reason, apart from a greater sense of being part of the car, that a stick would be better?

Cheaper automatics are still slower. The high speed DSG boxes are still trickling down market to the Mazdas and Nissans of the world. Other than that though, mostly it's just more fun.

bemis23: Cheaper automatics are still slower. The high speed DSG boxes are still trickling down market to the Mazdas and Nissans of the world. Other than that though, mostly it's just more fun.

I would agree with that if I lived anywhere other than LA.

Skwishmitten: is there any other reason, apart from a greater sense of being part of the car, that a stick would be better?

Price, ease of repair, that smug sense of superiority, the thrill of constantly having to up- and down-shift in stop-and-go traffic during rush hour, replacing the little ball with something cool like a cobra head...