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(Canoe)   School cancels Remembrance Day events because the Veterans attending have been bringing along non-functioning replicas of the guns they used to fight for the freedom to cancel Remembrance Day activities   ( cnews.canoe.ca) divider line
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2011-11-03 09:59:11 AM  
Hurray for hoplophobia!
 
2011-11-03 10:00:16 AM  
Zero tolerance wins again.
 
2011-11-03 10:01:41 AM  
Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.
 
2011-11-03 10:02:02 AM  
We had this once down here in Texas for a veterans day showcase. The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD. They had an old vet or two on hand to explain each one as you looked at it.

During history class, they would come in and tell us about WWII and Vietnam, was quite informative.

Best memory I had of the day was holding a M1 rifle and hearing about how one gentlemen tell about having to carry one of those, running though fields and fighting the Germans. He then handed me an M1 Carbine and noted just how might lighter and easier it would have been, but of course, being a grunt he had been issued a Garand.
 
2011-11-03 10:05:31 AM  
When I was a Senior in High School (back in the distant year of 1996), I brought in several functional World War II weapons that my father and I owned (an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, a Mosin Nagant, and a Enfield No 4 Mk 1) for a history class presentation as extra credit. I just dropped them off with the vice principal in the morning to keep them locked up. When time for the presentation came, a friend and I came and got the rifles and brought them to class. No one got shot or bayoneted and a bunch of kids in the class got to actually see and handle some of the weapons used by the Allies during the war.

I guess not all schools are fully of completely ridiculous zero-tolerance idiots (just most).

/CSB
 
2011-11-03 10:05:34 AM  
I don't think I care about Canadians not allowing guns in their classrooms. Still pondering it though.
 
2011-11-03 10:06:06 AM  

bp3.blogger.com

 
2011-11-03 10:06:56 AM  
Oh Canada,,,
 
2011-11-03 10:09:17 AM  
Was thinking Remembrance Day events canceled due to Alzheimer's
 
2011-11-03 10:11:05 AM  
The article has a list of the school's weapons policy. It specifically forbids *any knife* on school property. Do you mean to tell me that nobody working in the cafeteria has any knife of any kind? Or that maybe they make reasonable exceptions for kitchen staff which could just as easily be applied to war veterans with non-functioning, fully inspected weapons?
 
2011-11-03 10:11:15 AM  

BeowulfSmith: When I was a Senior in High School (back in the distant year of 1996), I brought in several functional World War II weapons that my father and I owned (an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, a Mosin Nagant, and a Enfield No 4 Mk 1) for a history class presentation as extra credit. I just dropped them off with the vice principal in the morning to keep them locked up. When time for the presentation came, a friend and I came and got the rifles and brought them to class. No one got shot or bayoneted and a bunch of kids in the class got to actually see and handle some of the weapons used by the Allies during the war.

I guess not all schools are fully of completely ridiculous zero-tolerance idiots (just most).

/CSB


yeah, that was before columbine... I graduated in 95 and used to wear a black leather trench coat in the winter time

after columbine my old highschool went to zero tolerance and banned backpacks, trench coats, and anything with a picture of a gun (including drawing guns on paper)
 
2011-11-03 10:11:33 AM  
La la la la la la - I can't see you so you don't exist - La la la la la la


They may need a Remembrance Day for when they lost their sanity.
 
2011-11-03 10:12:12 AM  

BeowulfSmith: When I was a Senior in High School (back in the distant year of 1996), I brought in several functional World War II weapons that my father and I owned (an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, a Mosin Nagant, and a Enfield No 4 Mk 1) for a history class presentation as extra credit. I just dropped them off with the vice principal in the morning to keep them locked up. When time for the presentation came, a friend and I came and got the rifles and brought them to class. No one got shot or bayoneted and a bunch of kids in the class got to actually see and handle some of the weapons used by the Allies during the war.

I guess not all schools are fully of completely ridiculous zero-tolerance idiots (just most).

/CSB


You forgot the bayonets didn't you? Always harder to bayonet someone without it attached first.
 
2011-11-03 10:12:23 AM  
Some one has to think of the children, seeing a gun could lead to a life of drugs and crime.
/snark
 
2011-11-03 10:14:10 AM  
What a disgusting affront to all veterans.

And a hurtful condescension to the students. Are we to believe kids are so fragile they would either wet themselves or turn into crazed killing machines if they so even as glanced at non-functional weapon replicas?
 
2011-11-03 10:14:56 AM  
FTFA: "The Board shall not tolerate the use, threat of use, or possession of weapons or replicas thereof by any unauthorized person on its property or in buildings or at Board-sponsored activities." (emphasis added)

Wouldn't a better solution be for The Board to, you know, authorize the vets to bring in the decommissioned weapons? It's so crazy it just might work...
 
2011-11-03 10:15:38 AM  
The tyranny of the stupid marches on.
 
2011-11-03 10:16:36 AM  

dukeblue219: Do you mean to tell me that nobody working in the cafeteria has any knife of any kind?



Do school cafeterias actually do any kind of food preparation anymore?
 
2011-11-03 10:18:34 AM  
The people behind this idiocy think that the purpose of Remembrance Day is to promote war. Been following this for a few days.
 
2011-11-03 10:19:55 AM  

Antimatter: The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD.


My college's rifle drill team had to do that before they could practice on campus. It made things interesting to try tosses and spins with a 13-pound M1903 Springfield rifle with a barrel filled with cement, firing pin and magazine spring removed and forward sights filed down.
 
2011-11-03 10:23:39 AM  

Nofun: Zero tolerance intelligence wins again.


FTFY
 
2011-11-03 10:29:58 AM  
FTA: OTTAWA CATHOLIC SCHOOL BOARD WEAPONS POLICY

1. The Board shall not tolerate the use, threat of use, or possession of weapons or replicas thereof by any unauthorized person on its property or in buildings or at Board-sponsored activities. The Board shall not tolerate the presence of weapons or replicas thereof in lockers, schoolbags, handbags, vehicles,or in any other place on its property.


Dear Notre Dame High School;

If you invite the military to come into the school for Remembrance Day, then they're not unauthorized, you freaking tools! You run a high school, not a kindergarten. High school kids know the difference between authorized and unauthorized. Stop being stupid, it isn't an attractive quality in people responsible for educating the next generation, and we already have more than enough stupid people.

Thanks,
The non-stupid people
 
2011-11-03 10:37:12 AM  

rebelyell2006: Antimatter: The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD.

My college's rifle drill team had to do that before they could practice on campus. It made things interesting to try tosses and spins with a 13-pound M1903 Springfield rifle with a barrel filled with cement, firing pin and magazine spring removed and forward sights filed down.


That sounds fun. I would think drill rifles would have some other mods, like filling it with polymer or such rather then heavy cement.

On a related note, M1903's are a beast. the .30-06 is an insane round, lots of power behind it. Useful I guess for picking off people's heads peaking over the top of a trench from a thousand yards away though.
 
2011-11-03 10:37:14 AM  
Zero tolerance = zero critical thought

Which is apparently the lesson we want to teach to our school-kids. Don't think through complicated social issues and make reasoned judgments based on the circumstances and context. Instead, blindly follow policy whether it makes sense or not!
 
2011-11-03 10:42:23 AM  

kpaxoid: The people behind this idiocy think that the purpose of Remembrance Day is to promote war. Been following this for a few days.


Nah, it's about following anti-weapons-on-campus rules. Following them far too literally in this case. An exception should be made for Veterans on Remembrance Day, of course.

Been that way up here since this event:

Link (new window)

which occurred before the Columbine shooters were even BORN.... 1975!!!!!.

My entire teaching career was in the zero-tolerance for weapons or replicas on campus era. Student plays couldn't even use plastic play swords. Squirt guns? Suspension!!!

/Baby - Bathwater etc.
 
2011-11-03 10:44:40 AM  

Antimatter: We had this once down here in Texas for a veterans day showcase. The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD. They had an old vet or two on hand to explain each one as you looked at it.

During history class, they would come in and tell us about WWII and Vietnam, was quite informative.

Best memory I had of the day was holding a M1 rifle and hearing about how one gentlemen tell about having to carry one of those, running though fields and fighting the Germans. He then handed me an M1 Carbine and noted just how might lighter and easier it would have been, but of course, being a grunt he had been issued a Garand.


I shot my dad's Garand years ago and the distinctive TING when the clip was spent and expelled was the most lasting memory of shooting that rifle. Yeah, it was heavy and the report when you fired it was terribly impressive but I got to fire a weapon that was the standard issue rifle for so many Marines.

Fark that stupid school system and their attempts to legislate an important part of history out of the kids' lives under the false guise of safety.

It's not refreshing to see there are bat shiat insane school districts outside of the US.
 
2011-11-03 10:47:33 AM  

Antimatter: We had this once down here in Texas for a veterans day showcase. The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD. They had an old vet or two on hand to explain each one as you looked at it.

During history class, they would come in and tell us about WWII and Vietnam, was quite informative.

Best memory I had of the day was holding a M1 rifle and hearing about how one gentlemen tell about having to carry one of those, running though fields and fighting the Germans. He then handed me an M1 Carbine and noted just how might lighter and easier it would have been, but of course, being a grunt he had been issued a Garand.


We had the same thing on Veteran's Day. And this was at a private christian school. Dummy grenades were thrown, drills were run, weapons were assembled, and it was badass.The guys even flew a huey onto the football field and everyone got to sit in it.
 
2011-11-03 10:48:46 AM  

Antimatter: rebelyell2006: Antimatter: The weapons had been disarmed, and filled with ether cement or welded shut, and checked by the local PD.

My college's rifle drill team had to do that before they could practice on campus. It made things interesting to try tosses and spins with a 13-pound M1903 Springfield rifle with a barrel filled with cement, firing pin and magazine spring removed and forward sights filed down.

That sounds fun. I would think drill rifles would have some other mods, like filling it with polymer or such rather then heavy cement.

On a related note, M1903's are a beast. the .30-06 is an insane round, lots of power behind it. Useful I guess for picking off people's heads peaking over the top of a trench from a thousand yards away though.


I can't imagine doing trick drill with a lightweight rifle. The cement filling gives it more inertia and momentum.
 
2011-11-03 10:52:19 AM  
Morons. Their own policy says "unauthorized person", so authorize the vets to carry/bring/have the items on that day only. Problem solved!
 
2011-11-03 11:06:04 AM  
"No tanks or guns"

TANKS? Really?

/so bazooka's are OK,
 
2011-11-03 11:13:10 AM  
"If we're going to misrepresent our history, what lessons are we really going to learn?"

I think it's pretty stupid to not make an exception for the vets to bring their disabled weapons, but it kinda makes me wonder how important having a gun display was for celebrating and honoring veterans. Did they have such little content that they'd be reduced to having nothing more than a few old vets for the kids to talk to and learn from?

/honor the vets not the guns
 
2011-11-03 11:18:44 AM  
Wait, what? During my junior of high school (2007), we had all kinds of presentations from war vets. They would bring in various trinkets, rifles, and other equipment that they used. We even got to hold the damn things if we asked. I remember taking a captured North Korean SKS and aiming it a poster of enemy propaganda pamphlets in the room. In farking 2007, in a public school. They were all unloaded, so there was no harm in letting students hold them anyways.
 
2011-11-03 11:19:21 AM  
I went to a Canadian Catholic school as a kid, and we had Remembrance Day events with veterans. I even recall there being a gun there.

I also remember one vet being asked, "Did you ever shoot anybody?". He after a sigh and a pause he said, "I hope not".

/csb
 
2011-11-03 11:22:10 AM  

CeroX: after columbine my old highschool went to zero tolerance and banned backpacks, trench coats, and anything with a picture of a gun (including drawing guns on paper)


I would have made sure that I had a non-threatening representation of a gun somewhere about my person or effects *EVERY*SINGLE*FARKING*DAY*.

This would have been my favorite T-shirt:

www.dixiegunworks.com

I'm pretty positive my parents, especially my father, would have backed me up, and I bet I would have won, too, because while schools have pretty wide leeway, but it's not absolute. I'm positive that wearing a non-threatening image of a gun as a specific protest against wearing images of guns would fall under the exceptions in Tinker: It's not likely to cause a significant disruption in and of itself, and it's pure political speech.

Actually, thinking back on it, I *DID* have a gun on one of my folders: A picture of a tough looking Santa Claus in combat boots, honkin' big knife on his belt, carrying a CAR-15.

The problem would be getting the ACLU, notoriously anti-gun to the point where they *STILL* think the Supreme Court erred in the Heller and McDonald cases, to be interested in it.
 
2011-11-03 11:28:05 AM  

Jisaw: "If we're going to misrepresent our history, what lessons are we really going to learn?"

I think it's pretty stupid to not make an exception for the vets to bring their disabled weapons, but it kinda makes me wonder how important having a gun display was for celebrating and honoring veterans. Did they have such little content that they'd be reduced to having nothing more than a few old vets for the kids to talk to and learn from?

/honor the vets not the guns


But the guns were the indispensable tools of those vets: Without the guns, they couldn't have done what they did.

It's like having the firefighters come to the school to talk about fire safety and not bringing any of their equipment. What then distinguishes them from any other yahoo off the street?

By saying that they can't bring the deactivated guns to school because there is a blanket ban on guns, you are saying that all guns are bad, and by extension, so are the people who used them. So why invite the veterans at all? They *KILLED* people, and killing people with guns is bad, right?
 
2011-11-03 11:33:12 AM  
Et tu, Canada?

Sigh.
 
2011-11-03 11:38:09 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: Nah, it's about following anti-weapons-on-campus rules. Following them far too literally in this case. An exception should be made for Veterans on Remembrance Day, of course.

Been that way up here since this event:

Link (new window)

which occurred before the Columbine shooters were even BORN.... 1975!!!!!.


No, it wasn't that way after that event. I remember it, and the subsequent 1979 Cleveland Elementary school shooting. Yet in 1983, one of my classmates brought his shotgun to school in order to fix a problem*. He brought it on the bus, no problems, and had to give it to the shop teacher who kept it locked up until shop class, but no one shiat their drawers about it. Then again, it was a rural school, the kind where every male student over 14 got sick on the first day of deer season, so that might account for that.

*He got snow in the barrel and fired, and ended up splitting the muzzle. Shop teacher made him measure 3 separate times before cutting off the damaged section to make sure it would still be legal.
 
2011-11-03 11:42:55 AM  

Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.


You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.
 
2011-11-03 11:47:08 AM  
We could go back to all the WW2 footage and shoop out the guns in favor of walkie-talkies!

/worked for Spielberg
 
2011-11-03 11:49:18 AM  

cnocnanrionnag: kpaxoid: The people behind this idiocy think that the purpose of Remembrance Day is to promote war. Been following this for a few days.

Nah, it's about following anti-weapons-on-campus rules. Following them far too literally in this case. An exception should be made for Veterans on Remembrance Day, of course.

Been that way up here since this event:

Link (new window)

which occurred before the Columbine shooters were even BORN.... 1975!!!!!.

My entire teaching career was in the zero-tolerance for weapons or replicas on campus era. Student plays couldn't even use plastic play swords. Squirt guns? Suspension!!!

/Baby - Bathwater etc.


You may be correct, but 2011 is the first year that the visit by the Vets with replica weapons has been banned.
 
2011-11-03 11:53:12 AM  
Also illegal?

www.wii-guns.com
ecx.images-amazon.com
modernparentonline.com
 
2011-11-03 11:53:24 AM  

dittybopper: Jisaw: "If we're going to misrepresent our history, what lessons are we really going to learn?"

I think it's pretty stupid to not make an exception for the vets to bring their disabled weapons, but it kinda makes me wonder how important having a gun display was for celebrating and honoring veterans. Did they have such little content that they'd be reduced to having nothing more than a few old vets for the kids to talk to and learn from?

/honor the vets not the guns

But the guns were the indispensable tools of those vets: Without the guns, they couldn't have done what they did.

It's like having the firefighters come to the school to talk about fire safety and not bringing any of their equipment. What then distinguishes them from any other yahoo off the street?

By saying that they can't bring the deactivated guns to school because there is a blanket ban on guns, you are saying that all guns are bad, and by extension, so are the people who used them. So why invite the veterans at all? They *KILLED* people, and killing people with guns is bad, right?


There are plenty of other things the vets can bring in. Uniforms, non-weaponized equipment and, particularly with vets from the last 10 years, pictures and video. Verbal stories are also invaluable. I agree that any additional props would help the event's goal of educating the kids, but it seems kind of silly to cancel everything because they couldn't bring in one type of prop.

The article doesn't really state if the vets were offered to come without the guns and they declined outright, though.
 
2011-11-03 11:58:01 AM  

lordaction: Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.

You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.


I'm ex-Canadian Forces and a liberal. My wife is also a liberal and a vet (Bosnia). My grandfather died in WWII and my cousin (also a liberal) was wounded in Afghanistan.

So fark you.
 
2011-11-03 11:59:58 AM  

threedingers: lordaction: Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.

You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.

I'm ex-Canadian Forces and a liberal. My wife is also a liberal and a vet (Bosnia). My grandfather died in WWII and my cousin (also a liberal) was wounded in Afghanistan.

So fark you.


sqd.gluenow.com
 
2011-11-03 12:08:31 PM  

threedingers: lordaction: Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.

You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.

I'm ex-Canadian Forces and a liberal. My wife is also a liberal and a vet (Bosnia). My grandfather died in WWII and my cousin (also a liberal) was wounded in Afghanistan.

So fark you.


Sounds like your family has a great record of service. You should be proud of them.
 
2011-11-03 12:21:44 PM  

lordaction: Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.

You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.


I've found through experience that liberal ideas of tolerance, diversity, and justice mainly apply to superficial things like skin color, and generally don't apply to ideas, especially non-progressive ones. In some extreme cases, you can have a group that is very diverse superficially, but they all suffer from a severe case of intellectual incest.

/The right has a problem with groupthink also.
 
2011-11-03 12:34:29 PM  

dittybopper: The problem would be getting the ACLU, notoriously anti-gun to the point where they *STILL* think the Supreme Court erred in the Heller and McDonald cases, to be interested in it.


They've actually taken on cases like you described in recent history. Sometimes working with the NRA.
 
2011-11-03 12:40:17 PM  

redmid17: BeowulfSmith: When I was a Senior in High School (back in the distant year of 1996), I brought in several functional World War II weapons that my father and I owned (an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, a Mosin Nagant, and a Enfield No 4 Mk 1) for a history class presentation as extra credit. I just dropped them off with the vice principal in the morning to keep them locked up. When time for the presentation came, a friend and I came and got the rifles and brought them to class. No one got shot or bayoneted and a bunch of kids in the class got to actually see and handle some of the weapons used by the Allies during the war.

I guess not all schools are fully of completely ridiculous zero-tolerance idiots (just most).

/CSB

You forgot the bayonets didn't you? Always harder to bayonet someone without it attached first.


Actually, back in the 80s in Canada I brought a bunch of bayonets, officers swords, and Japanese unit flags to elementary school class. My grandfather had collected them off of dead Japanese soldiers in Guadalcanal. I know that is a bit macabre but he probably had a right to do it -- he got a Purple Heart for being bayoneted by a Japanese soldier.

Interestingly his collection would have been better, many of the officers swords had jewels, but most of those were stolen in the military mail -- it was a huge problem during war time with anything of value sent back.
 
2011-11-03 12:43:19 PM  
Perhaps they could celebrate Denial Day?
 
2011-11-03 12:49:37 PM  

dittybopper: lordaction: Mrbogey: Hiding their disdain of the military behind a zero tolerance policy.

They just can't let the kids be fascinated and proud of their veterans.

You are exactly right. Liberals hide behind "diversity, tolerance and justice" while being the most bigoted, treasonous, fascist group in existence.

I've found through experience that liberal ideas of tolerance, diversity, and justice mainly apply to superficial things like skin color, and generally don't apply to ideas, especially non-progressive ones. In some extreme cases, you can have a group that is very diverse superficially, but they all suffer from a severe case of intellectual incest.

/The right has a problem with groupthink also.


The right's groupthink is almost to cult levels. But they tend to think they are the diverse ones, and the liberals are the groupthink folks. It's part of their habit of projecting.
 
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