FTA: "The people who are going to be required to wear this are people who are convicted of violating an order of protection already. They've already done something where a court has demanded them to stay away from their victim," Donovan said.

So the lesson here is if you're going to kill them, make sure you get it done on the first try?

This would've totally ruined Monday's Castle.

I thought having to pump our own gas was bad. Then we had to bag our own groceries. But 'defend against against our attacker' might be where DIY jumps the shark.

DROxINxTHExWIND: How about calling someone who can actually stop the potential attack? Chances are, she's not the best at it.

/just a thought

They call the person so that they can get away or get help from the people surrounding, methinks. Plus,

The system also calls the district attorney's office.

So it's possible to call multiple numbers. So having it call a monitoring agency who will call 911 with the details is entirely possible.

That being said, $10/day seems steep, but having the offender pay it is gravy to their punishment.

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DROxINxTHExWIND: The way it works is when the person wearing the device enters an area that courts have said he cannot go, the system immediately calls the woman and warns her.

How about calling someone who can actually stop the potential attack? Chances are, she's not the best at it.

/just a thought

Because the police are known for their prompt response times. Unless you mean it should call the A-Team, or Dexter. Then that would be fine.

Where would she ever get the idea that it was OK to stop making sammiches? What the hell is the world coming to?

I work for a company which makes these systems so I'm getting a kick out of these sandwiches.

Only Staten Island though... wonder when (IF) it'll move elsewhere. It's a good idea; being in a state of constant fear from your abuser, when you've done all the things that you are supposed to do, is torture. It really is just a piece of paper. And it's worse when the offender is mentally ill, say bi-polar. You never know what's going to crawl up their craw and remind them just how much they hate you and want to hurt you.

Odd Bird: I work for a company which makes these systems so I'm getting a kick out of these sandwiches.

Without asking you to get too far into specifics, how profitable/costly are these sandwiches? It seems the devices should be pretty basic. Is the money (or the cost) in the monitoring?

Genuinely curious, as $3650 per year seems pretty steep, especially for something that can easily rely on automation with occasional human supervision as the need arises.

This should work more like the immortal-sense from Highlander, except in this case, the abusee should be getting enough warning to get their gun out and get a call to 911 started.

The call is to get the legal system started.

The gun is in case the abuser doesn't want to wait for the legal system.

Yet another media hit to promote the radical feminist mantra:

When a woman (poor innocent creature) is 'abused', it's completely out of the blue by a man (evil) for absolutely No Reason Whatsoever. Men are just like that. A woman (poor innocent creature) would never threaten to take a man's kids and make sure he never sees them again, or threaten to take half the money that he has earnt, or withhold sex. Men beat women without provocation and completely randomly and unpredictably, it's just what they do.

Even long-suffering male victims of the radical feminist agenda with the patience of a saint snap eventually, like Hans Reiser did.

They could just make the perps pay for the victims range-fees and some reasonable monthly ammo allotment.

Should send the right message.

Odd Bird: I work for a company which makes these systems so I'm getting a kick out of these sandwiches.

So, are these devices transmitters? How does the system detect the device? How does the battery work? What's stopping the thing from losing power after being on someone from an extended period of time?

Hey, cook us some eggs, eh, Beth?

Yeah, cuz a person that ignores the law to confront their ex in spite of a restraining order is going to totally obey the law and not tamper with this device, leave it behind while the go kill their ex, giving them an alibi.

I see a guy using this and relaxing for a nice day with his new girlfriend, not worried at all about the ex, because the system shows she is across town.

But really the monitor is tied to her cat, and since he is off guard he sneaks up behind her and cuts his throat.

Here's how it should go down:

Abuser enters no-go zone. Device triggers and Victim gets a phone call. Victim has time to retrieve the shiny new S&W 1911a loaded with .40 cal hollow points from it's case, check clip and lock on into the chamber.

Abuser starts some shiate and gets properly warned, then capped. Problem for Abuser and Victim solved.

I like this.

myinternetname: I see a guy using this and relaxing for a nice day with his new girlfriend, not worried at all about the ex, because the system shows she is across town.

But really the monitor is tied to her cat, and since he is off guard he sneaks up behind her and cuts his throat.

Who do the what now?
I'm really trying to understand what you're saying here, but I think you switched a couple of the "he" & "her", so now i'm just confused....

:(

He'll take the anklet off

Buck Henderson: Odd Bird: I work for a company which makes these systems so I'm getting a kick out of these sandwiches.

Without asking you to get too far into specifics, how profitable/costly are these sandwiches? It seems the devices should be pretty basic. Is the money (or the cost) in the monitoring?

Genuinely curious, as $3650 per year seems pretty steep, especially for something that can easily rely on automation with occasional human supervision as the need arises.

Our cost for a device for this type of use is in the area of $1000.
It's sold/leased to an agency (i.e. law enforcement) so add some markup and overhead there.
Then the device needs to be monitored; if the perp removes the device the victim will never know they're coming. (Device tampers/removals can be detected and victims notified of potential danger.)
Monitoring the devices adds more cost.


CtrlAltDestroy: Odd Bird: I work for a company which makes these systems so I'm getting a kick out of these sandwiches.

So, are these devices transmitters? How does the system detect the device? How does the battery work? What's stopping the thing from losing power after being on someone from an extended period of time?

Devices transmit and receive signals from cell towers (CDMA) and/or GPS satellites.
Batteries are built in and can be recharged while being worn by the perp.
Depending on the settings (i.e. location fix frequency) and activity (message processing) the battery may last several days w/o a recharge. If the battery level drops below a given threshold, an alert (message to interested parties) can be sent.

NOTE: I'm not going to mention my company name as that may be considered an advertisement. EIP if anyone's interested.

Odd Bird: Devices transmit and receive signals from cell towers (CDMA) and/or GPS satellites.
Batteries are built in and can be recharged while being worn by the perp.
Depending on the settings (i.e. location fix frequency) and activity (message processing) the battery may last several days w/o a recharge. If the battery level drops below a given threshold, an alert (message to interested parties) can be sent.

Thanks. My concern about this system is once the battery dies the person is free to wander around undetected. The monitoring agency would have to get the signal and respond fast enough so that it can be recharged before it fully runs down.

I can see something like, the person gets an idea of the battery life and has it "die" when at work. "Sorry, It died after I got to work and my job wont allow me to tether to a wall to recharge it. I charged it as soon as I got home. No, I have no idea who beat [person] that very same day."

Granted, I don't know enough about these devices or the system but these are initial thoughts. People are very resourceful.

Another thought. At my work there are places where I can't get a signal on any phone or radio. One could, theoretically, legitimately enter a place like that, wrap a Faraday cage around the device, go get their abuse on, come back, unwrap the device, and continue with their day.

Thoughts? Info I'm missing?

Saborlas: moothemagiccow: He'll take the anklet off

Pretty sure they can detect when this happens. Sudden lack of body heat and all.

Magnets on the base unit and optical fibers running through the strap.

In unrelated news, sales of sniper scopes on the rise.

CtrlAltDestroy: Odd Bird: Devices transmit and receive signals from cell towers (CDMA) and/or GPS satellites.
Batteries are built in and can be recharged while being worn by the perp.
Depending on the settings (i.e. location fix frequency) and activity (message processing) the battery may last several days w/o a recharge. If the battery level drops below a given threshold, an alert (message to interested parties) can be sent.

Thanks. My concern about this system is once the battery dies the person is free to wander around undetected....(etc)

No system is foolproof and many offenders are smarter than Florida residents. Also, there is a human element to the system and humans can drop the ball (i.e. low staffing at law enforcement agency)
One way to handle the "died at work" scenario you describe;
- battery goes low, i.e. less than 40% charge
- system sends alert to parole officer
- parole officer contacts perp "charge the device or I'll come over and haul you back to prison".
(FYI - my company is not a law enforcement agency)

Faraday cage: system generates alert if the device goes into No Communication / No Location. Parole officer contacts perp...

Battery and No Comm/Loc alert thresholds are configurable.

walkingbear: Here's how it should go down:

Abuser enters no-go zone. Device triggers and Victim gets a phone call. Victim has time to retrieve the shiny new S&W 1911a loaded with .40 cal hollow points from it's case, check clip and lock on into the chamber.

Abuser starts some shiate and gets properly warned, then capped. Problem for Abuser and Victim solved.

I like this.

Nope, here's how it'll go down.

-Man marries Woman
-Man and woman have children
-Man loses job
-Man can't find employement as he's "over-qualified"
-Man runs out of unemployement
-Man has no medical insurance
-Woman starts sleeping with hot cop with great government benefits.
-Woman leaves man, sends settlement for 60% of house, savings, and all retirement benefits
-Woman signs affidavit stating abuse and has Restraining order applied
-Kids can't understand where dad is.
-Kids birthday coming, kids depressed they can't see dad
-Dad in heat of moment visits kids at school with brithday cake
-Woman finds out, courts forces bracelet on man.
-Man has to pay $4000 per year as court costs drag on and on.
-Man blows his brains out.
-The end.

Meanwhile cop starts daily shiatbeatings of the ex-wife and kids and gets away with it, because cops are assholes like that.

Odd Bird:

...information...

Thanks, that is very informative. Now I'm glad I asked instead of just doing the usual knee-jerk OMGCRONYIZMREPUBLIFACISTSWTFBBQ!!

Facts, they're what's for dinner.

/mmmm...bbq

This is a stupid waste of time and money. The kind of guy who would violate a restraining order and go hill a woman will simply take the device off, put it on a west-bound bus and then go east, with hammer in hand.

I don't see anything in there about what happens if the signal on the device is blocked so it can't transmit... something that can happen in pretty much an parking garage where the offender can legally go.

These devices might be ok for a house arrest situation where you can test to make sure that all areas of the confined area are unshielded and the signal can get out. There's no reason to think they would work equally well out in the wild.

Wrapping your leg in farking tinfoil, how does it work?

That should say "sammich"

I had one of these on for a few minutes.

The problem? The damn thing came off my leg many times. It spent most of it's time in the charger, with the ankle cuff hung up around the antenna. When the charges were dropped (lying coont), I gave the company who provided the 'service' two days to remove the device from my house, otherwise I was going to have fun reverse engineering the device.

Oh, when the charges were dismissed, I didn't have to pay a farking penny.

/ still have it in pieces on my desk.
// they 'couldn't' remove it because I lived out of state and didn't have anyone near to remove the device.
/// ex-wife was really pissed when the divorce judge in the different state didn't care about the shenanigans she pulled in the other state.

imroot: I had one of these on for a few minutes.

The problem? The damn thing came off my leg many times. It spent most of it's time in the charger, with the ankle cuff hung up around the antenna. When the charges were dropped (lying coont), I gave the company who provided the 'service' two days to remove the device from my house, otherwise I was going to have fun reverse engineering the device.

Oh, when the charges were dismissed, I didn't have to pay a farking penny.

/ still have it in pieces on my desk.
// they 'couldn't' remove it because I lived out of state and didn't have anyone near to remove the device.
/// ex-wife was really pissed when the divorce judge in the different state didn't care about the shenanigans she pulled in the other state.

Mind if I ask what company made the device (or provided the service)? EIP if you don't want to say it in the thread.

It seems like a good technology that could have saved this local woman from being shot and beaten in front of her kid.

http://www.ksby.com/news/troy-sykes-f ound-guilty-of-attempted-involun t ary-manslaughter-in-connection-to-2010 -shooting/

The guy had previously violated his restraining order only like 30 times or so before the big incident.

When you need help now, the cops are only a few sammiches away.

sno man: They better make it a whole lot harder to get a restraining order with this... There are a lot of 'frivolous' restraining orders as a default plan in divorce proceedings....

It sounded from TFA as if this was used after a domestic violence conviction. I don't see how it could be court ordered, except as a condition of probation/parole.

imroot: I had one of these on for a few minutes.

The problem? The damn thing came off my leg many times. It spent most of it's time in the charger, with the ankle cuff hung up around the antenna. When the charges were dropped (lying coont), I gave the company who provided the 'service' two days to remove the device from my house, otherwise I was going to have fun reverse engineering the device.

Oh, when the charges were dismissed, I didn't have to pay a farking penny.


For a domestic violence accusation? Not conviction? If you feel comfortable saying...

Saborlas: moothemagiccow: He'll take the anklet off

Pretty sure they can detect when this happens. Sudden lack of body heat and all.

And they'll know exactly where he isn't.

They started using these in Illinois a few years back. Much of the time, abusers can be convinced to avoid the people they need to avoid. The cases we hear about, while still way too frequent (none would be about right as far as I'm concerned) are the most extreme end of the situation.
And probably nothing would have stopped the final attack.

DROxINxTHExWIND: How about calling someone who can actually stop the potential attack? Chances are, she's not the best at it.

But then the anus would be on the police to actually do something.

/not a typo

Sounds like a great idea for victims that are in real danger, but what if the "victim" is just a vengeful biatch who's crying wolf out of spite? Are there regulations in place to prevent that from happening?