I use IE and it works fine for what I need it for. When you all biatch about scripts and ads and crap blowing up your computer, I have no idea what you're talking about. But then I'm not a geek, just a regular user like 90% of people so what do I know?

ecmoRandomNumbers: Will Microsoft ever just flush that turd? It's been circling the bowl for a decade.

You don't do much in the way of enterprise do you? MS has worked with a LOT of businesses to design their back-ends to work only with IE. I have a dozen company websites that I can't even log in with in FF or Chrome. They detect I'm not using IE and refuse to give me access.

LDM90: I use IE and it works fine for what I need it for. When you all biatch about scripts and ads and crap blowing up your computer, I have no idea what you're talking about. But then I'm not a geek, just a regular user like 90% of people so what do I know?

This is the image that popped into my head as I read that.



/who trolls the geek tab?

ecmoRandomNumbers: Will Microsoft ever just flush that turd? It's been circling the bowl for a decade.

It's necessary for certain enterprise applications. And IT loves IE for various reasons.

Besides, IE9 is quite usable as a modern browser, even if it doesn't feel quite as polished UI-wise as Chrome, and lack of good extensions is killer.

BolloxReader:
You don't do much in the way of enterprise do you? MS has worked with a LOT of businesses to design their back-ends to work only with IE. I have a dozen company websites that I can't even log in with in FF or Chrome. They detect I'm not using IE and refuse to give me access.

The funnier ones are the bastard redheaded step children of those sites; the ones Microsoft worked with them to make IE-only in the days of IE5/IE6 and both parties abandoned updating it after that.

So you hit these sites with Chrome or FF or Safari and it tells you to install IE6 because any lesser browser is a security issue.

sarah_t_s: BolloxReader:
You don't do much in the way of enterprise do you? MS has worked with a LOT of businesses to design their back-ends to work only with IE. I have a dozen company websites that I can't even log in with in FF or Chrome. They detect I'm not using IE and refuse to give me access.

The funnier ones are the bastard redheaded step children of those sites; the ones Microsoft worked with them to make IE-only in the days of IE5/IE6 and both parties abandoned updating it after that.

So you hit these sites with Chrome or FF or Safari and it tells you to install IE6 because any lesser browser is a security issue.

I have to use the previous version of IE on some of these sites because IE 9 breaks them still. When IE8 came out, I remember it breaking ArcGIS and other proprietary programs in college. And Esri refused to provide a patch for student editions of ArcGIS, making it available only to full commercial licenses (which I think cost $30K apiece). Whenever we tried to use a tool in the program it would close with a fatal error.

meyerkev:
It's necessary for certain enterprise applications. And IT loves IE for various reasons.

No. We don't. Because inevitable when some piece of ancient corporate code appears and demands IE, it means IE6. Which means XP and by extension that means XP-32 not the 64-bit version. Which is just farking awesome in this day and age where you can easily get a bog standard 'on every desk as it's cheap & nasty' Dell with over 4GB of RAM.

Add to which unless we can get some VM tools on our machines that means WE have to run XP-32 as well and sit there watching it grind in to oblivion on 3.75Gb RAM despite having 4+Gb installed. We end up spending time figuring out inventive ways to fix calls that can be summed up as "XP is ramming out... AGAIN" but are titled "Computer running slow".

Every hour spent coaxing just a little more free memory out of that system is an hour we haven't spent fixing the sodding code so it'll at least work with IE8/9 and give us an upgrade path to Windows 7... which'll fix 90% of the faults currently on our queue in one hit.

So no. We don't like IE very much either.

Baryogenesis: LDM90: I use IE and it works fine for what I need it for. When you all biatch about scripts and ads and crap blowing up your computer, I have no idea what you're talking about. But then I'm not a geek, just a regular user like 90% of people so what do I know?

This is the image that popped into my head as I read that.

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/who trolls the geek tab?

Woah woah woah, how did you get the screen cap of my Grandma's eMachine??

I hate the UI on Safari mobile. Who the fark wants to wait for that animated windowncrap every time you need a new page?

Sent from my iPad using Terra browser

Not really surprising since there are what, twenty different browsers now?

Really, these browser threads always end up sounding like a bunch of Mac users talking about PC's. "OMG they're so unreliable. And they crash all the time!"

But really, I'm like LDM90. I'm not an IT pro. I use IE9 and it works just fine for browsing, watching Youtube clips, e-mail, etc. I'll just have to live with never being cool like all those Safari/Chrome/FF users.

Baryogenesis: LDM90: I use IE and it works fine for what I need it for. When you all biatch about scripts and ads and crap blowing up your computer, I have no idea what you're talking about. But then I'm not a geek, just a regular user like 90% of people so what do I know?

This is the image that popped into my head as I read that.



/who trolls the geek tab?

I was wondering who screen captured my dad's computer.

A pox on all their houses.

What is this Internet Explorer?

BarbadoSlim: What is this Internet Explorer?

That's the thing you use to download Chrome.

padraig: BarbadoSlim: What is this Internet Explorer?

That's the thing you use to download Chrome.

wget?

I ditched chrome on my Win7 machine earlier this year after I used it overseas and from then on, it decided that all my google searches should be carried out in Arabic! Since then i've been using Safari on both Win7 and Mac with no discernable issues (although all general browsing i do on the iPad with Terra or Volt which both make safari look like shiat)

/Yes I know you don't care
//Just saying

IE works fine, give up your farking XP machine, THAT is what's farking you up.

The outsourced application my company used can only be used on IE. I freaking hate IE. Though the problem is probably because my company refused to upgrade the slow ass machine and replacing windows xp.

So long IE and your abusive relationship... at home at least. Glory to the Firefox.

LDM90: I use IE and it works fine for what I need it for. When you all biatch about scripts and ads and crap blowing up your computer, I have no idea what you're talking about. But then I'm not a geek, just a regular user like 90% of people so what do I know?

Weak.

herrDrFarkenstein: Who the fark wants to wait for that animated windowncrap every time you need a new page?

iOS5 switched to tabs on the iPad. It's still the page mechanic on the iPhone, which I can understand.

ghare: IE works fine

No it doesn't. Speaking as a developer, IE is the result of AIDS and COBOL having virus sex and producing a web browser after three generations of further inbreeding. It can't reliably be expected to handle simple things, like change events on checkboxes (it will sometimes only fire a click). Its implementation of CSS is woefully inconsistent and broken. It's not even entirely accurate to call it a web browser. It's an application that, in some special cases, may successfully display a web page.

ghare: IE works fine, give up your farking XP machine, THAT is what's farking you up.

Fine, I will. Now you tell me how to get IE6 working on Win7/Vista, without XP mode, so we can keep accessing certain business specific apps that won't work on anything else but IE6 and the company won't pay for the updated version.

Unless you can tell me how to get IE6 on those OS's, without making it more complex than 'click big blue E' and without any additional cost... XP has to stay.

t3knomanser: IE is the result of AIDS and COBOL

PERFORM 3 TIMES
DISPLAY "You leave COBOL out of this."
DISPLAY "There is nothing wrong with COBOL"
END-PERFORM.
STOP RUN.

It's the result of AIDS and LISP, don't you forget it.

BolloxReader: You don't do much in the way of enterprise do you? MS has worked with a LOT of businesses to design their back-ends to work only with IE. I have a dozen company websites that I can't even log in with in FF or Chrome. They detect I'm not using IE and refuse to give me access.

It's not really MS. It's big consulting firms who care about nothing but making money taking shortcuts. Do it, to the contract, and as cheaply as possible. If the contract says IE6 then you only support IE6. In fact, you can deliberately break it for other browsers, because then you'll make more by charging for upgrades to allow other browsers.

That's why ActiveX got deployed so much. Consulting firms just rejigged their VB6 code into ActiveX and sold it as a web solution. One of my clients is spending a fortune rewriting something off ActiveX (and of course, they didn't get the source) that a vendor sold them. And sold it to them when the writing was already on the wall for ActiveX.

/never hire the big consulting firms
//get the source

If you guys would lay off the porn sites and have a little common sense, your IE would work just fine.

sarah_t_s: It's the result of AIDS and LISP, don't you forget it.

(assert (eq (is-so-wrong-it-isnt-funny sarah_t_s) true))

(> LISP everything), and don't you forget it.

If you're using HTML 5, then you might want to keep it around.

49%, that's almost zero

vudukungfu: If you're using HTML 5, then you might want to keep it around.

So that you have an example of what an awful HTML5 implementation looks like?

sarah_t_s: ghare: IE works fine, give up your farking XP machine, THAT is what's farking you up.

Fine, I will. Now you tell me how to get IE6 working on Win7/Vista, without XP mode, so we can keep accessing certain business specific apps that won't work on anything else but IE6 and the company won't pay for the updated version.

Unless you can tell me how to get IE6 on those OS's, without making it more complex than 'click big blue E' and without any additional cost... XP has to stay.

compatibility mode

QT_3.14159: If you guys would lay off the porn sites and have a little common sense, your IE would work just fine.

Bollocks.

t3knomanser:
So that you have an example of what an awful HTML5 implementation looks like?

I support an application that does.
Love my job security.

t3knomanser: IE is the result of AIDS and COBOL having virus sex

COBOL's a great language. It's still about the most portable language ever. I learnt on a Dec, worked on a Fujitsu, then later converted some code from AS/400 to Windows. You know how much work I had to do to convert from AS/400 to Windows? Nothing. We had to change all the JCL to VB Script to assign the files, but the code was completely unchanged. And because it wasn't run by script kiddies wanting new features every 6 months (most of which were just the old features with a new spin), you didn't spend your life learning new shiat. You went to work and wrote goddamn code.

I mostly use Chrome, but it still has its bugs. Sometimes all tick boxes on a site will vanish, so I can't tick anything. If I open Firefox they all magically reappear on the Chrome window, I don't even have to reload it.
And downloading and saving images opens a huge toolbar at the bottom of the window. Which you have to close manually. PITA that is. And if it takes a couple of seconds to save an image you cannot do anything else. You have to wait before it will allow you to click on anything else.

t3knomanser: herrDrFarkenstein: Speaking as a developer,

Speaking as a consumer, IE is fine. If web developers have a problem with it, that's a fight between them and MS. It is not incumbent upon me to change my life to better accomodate you.

/IE user since mid 90's
//hated Netscape at school
///tell me why it is in my own personal best interest to switch and I will
////slashies

serial_crusher: It was only about 6 months ago that we dropped IE6 support though, so it's going to be a long process.

Until a couple of years or so ago I worked for a massive corporation that forced IE6 on all their employees. I consider that to be tantamount to torture.

The next place dumped IE6 support and I spent many an hour trying to get them to ditch the XP/IE7 support as well. It didn't work out as browser share was clinging on to the 6% mark at the time, one percent less and we could have cut that annoying sku out of the test matrix (caveat: consumer software, not enterprise)

moothemagiccow: compatibility mode

If compatibility mode worked 100% with these business apps it wouldn't be a problem. The fact it doesn't work 100% and the apps remain blockers to GTFO of XP should be quite telling about the shonkyness of the code and/or it's implementation as well as the important these apps have to the business.

t3knomanser: sarah_t_s: It's the result of AIDS and LISP, don't you forget it.

(assert (eq (is-so-wrong-it-isnt-funny sarah_t_s) true))

(> LISP everything), and don't you forget it.

The brackets they burn.... HISSSSSSSSS.

Only reason I stopped using FF was it was starting to lock up for 30 seconds at a time. Which means they broke it so I been using Chrome on my "good" computer.

QT_3.14159: If you guys would lay off the porn sites and have a little common sense, your IE would work just fine.

Dude, porn's like 98% of the internet, the rest is just filler.

I still use IE...

...to download Firefox.

Using IE never bothered me. Debugging javascript on it is like having your fingernails pulled out.

farkeruk: COBOL's a great language

The best part of ripping on COBOL is the COBOL wonks come out of the woodwork to defend it. I actually have done a little work with COBOL. For its time, it's not bad, but it has the same "Ugh, really?" thing that all of those older languages (save LISP) suffer from. Compared to a light-weight late-generation language, it's like typing with boxing gloves.

I will grant, COBOL is better than Java.