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2011-11-02 07:43:44 PM
And paralegals, and secretaries, and court personnel, and reporters... see? Jobs!
 
2011-11-02 08:24:08 PM
I love how SB 98, the DINO-sponsored Senate bill, is the one pushed, even though it's actually parallel to (and comes after) the Republican-sponsored House version, HB 0317.

The effort is a big ol' "fark you" to the ACLU, basically, according to one staff analysis for the bill. The state's trying to do an end run around three years of legal wrangling and consent decrees, in which the state agreed not to have school officials push prayer in school. The bill would basically say "students can lead prayer, under specific guidelines, but it's not required and school officials can't participate, so we'll still get prayer in schools, like we wanted, but without violating the consent decrees."

This bill authorizes, but does not require, district school boards to adopt resolutions regarding the delivery of inspirational messages, including prayers of invocation or benediction, at secondary school commencement exercises or other noncompulsory student assemblies.
If adopted, the resolution must include language that provides:
- The use of a prayer of invocation or benediction is at the discretion of the student government;
- Students will deliver all prayers; and
- School personnel may not participate in, or otherwise influence any student in determining whether to use prayers.
 
2011-11-02 08:54:37 PM
Yay! I'm going to need work big time after February! I'll gladly spend five months waiting for my bar results drafting complaints and doing research on how this violates the Establishment Clause and every 1st Amd. ruling all the way back to "Thou shalt not have any other gods before me."
 
2011-11-02 08:58:14 PM
District school boards to adopt resolutions that allow prayers of invocation or benediction at secondary school events as long as they're nonsectarian and nonproselytizing.

And I think it would go a little something like this... "Yay invisible force that makes us think we're better than other people"
 
2011-11-02 08:59:30 PM
Can someone please explain to me how "nonsectarian" and "nonproselytizing" isn't still exclusionary?
 
2011-11-02 09:02:36 PM
I still don't understand the problem. Students have always been able to pray when they want to.

:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. :6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. - Jesus Christ (Matthew 6)
 
2011-11-02 09:04:32 PM
Pandering pukes
The FLA GOP
 
2011-11-02 09:16:56 PM
Without Fail: I still don't understand the problem. Students have always been able to pray when they want to.

But the schools are not yet indoctrination centers for their version of Christianity like they were in the good old days!
 
2011-11-02 09:25:54 PM
Just wait till the Muslims start to pray at school under this bill
 
2011-11-02 09:31:58 PM
FedExPope: Can someone please explain to me how "nonsectarian" and "nonproselytizing" isn't still exclusionary?

They can pray to any version of the Christian deity they want!

/Would be asking permission to set up a kamidana.
 
2011-11-02 09:36:41 PM
Republican-led state senate finally passes a jobs bill. Well, it will create a lot of work for lawyers, anyway

Nono, I've been assured that the government can't create jobs.
 
2011-11-02 09:40:05 PM
It's pretty simple. No person that is employed by the government can proselytize religion while on the clock. You work for the government, you can't tell people how things are from a religious standpoint. You also cannot proselytize at government sanction events.

I mean, it's cool if you want to express your religion like wear religious garb or whatever but if your religious expression becomes proselytization, then we have a problem.

It's cool if you wanna do it off the clock, just don't do it while getting paid.
 
2011-11-02 09:55:41 PM
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But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly - Part of the Matthew 6:6 plan.
 
2011-11-02 09:55:41 PM
meat0918: Without Fail: I still don't understand the problem. Students have always been able to pray when they want to.

But the schools are not yet indoctrination centers for their version of Christianity like they were in the good old days!


You haven't been in a law school or a med school around board or bar prep time. "Oh, GOD HELP ME! What's the professor talking about?!?"
 
2011-11-02 11:55:14 PM
Has anyone cited Matthew 6:5-6 yet?
 
2011-11-03 12:36:14 AM
Is the GOP a party of pure trolling now?
 
2011-11-03 12:39:00 AM
lordlight: Just wait till the Muslims start to pray at school under this bill

Anyone care to come up with a technically non-sectarian but Islamic-sounding English language prayer?
 
2011-11-03 12:47:03 AM
as long as they're nonsectarian and nonproselytizing

Any prayer that fits those criteria would not be seen in a favorable light by the people who want prayer in schools and any prayer those people would approve of would be in violation of this bill.
 
2011-11-03 01:40:33 AM
Welp, at least I'm in no danger at community college!cooking school. Food is science. All the gods in all the worlds can't stop the proteins in your custard sauce from coagulating into a curdled mess if you heat the eggs too abruptly.
 
2011-11-03 02:06:24 AM
Alphax: Is the GOP a party of pure trolling now?

Yes, this is lawsuit trolling, trying to get a case that will weaken or destroy the separation of church or state as legal precedent and the current interpretation of the freedom of religion.
 
2011-11-03 02:14:33 AM
Strix occidentalis: Welp, at least I'm in no danger at community college!cooking school. Food is science. All the gods in all the worlds can't stop the proteins in your custard sauce from coagulating into a curdled mess if you heat the eggs too abruptly.

A lot of people think you're wrong.
 
2011-11-03 02:31:06 AM
ghare: Strix occidentalis: Welp, at least I'm in no danger at community college!cooking school. Food is science. All the gods in all the worlds can't stop the proteins in your custard sauce from coagulating into a curdled mess if you heat the eggs too abruptly.

A lot of people think you're wrong.


Well, "Real Americans" make jello brand pudding, not "custard".
 
2011-11-03 03:39:50 AM
ghare: Strix occidentalis: Welp, at least I'm in no danger at community college!cooking school. Food is science. All the gods in all the worlds can't stop the proteins in your custard sauce from coagulating into a curdled mess if you heat the eggs too abruptly.

A lot of people think you're wrong.


The word "think" might be giving them too much credit here.
 
2011-11-03 03:43:10 AM
I can't wait for the Morgan & Morgan commercials: "Have you or a loved one been marginalized or alienated by a prayer said out loud at a school event...?"
 
2011-11-03 08:46:06 AM
abb3w: lordlight: Just wait till the Muslims start to pray at school under this bill

Anyone care to come up with a technically non-sectarian but Islamic-sounding English language prayer?


"As we begin, let us first turn towards Mecca and kneel". Anything after that is irrelevant.
 
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