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2011-11-02 03:42:56 PM
www.apocalypticmovies.com

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2011-11-02 04:04:36 PM
Welcome to the Monkey House.
 
2011-11-02 04:58:04 PM
Probably triples cancer rates, too
 
2011-11-02 07:04:03 PM
FTFA: The study, published in Nature, focused on what are known as "senescent cells". They stop dividing into new cells and have an important role in preventing tumours from progressing.

This is another clear bid by ObamaCare's death panel supporters to kill off the elderly with cancer.
 
2011-11-02 07:05:32 PM
"Hot underage teens?"

Subby is a pedo.
 
2011-11-02 07:06:34 PM
I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.
 
2011-11-02 07:10:44 PM
Step 1: have the asian gene
Step 2: get hit by car before age of 50, to avoid overnight Yoda effect

Failing that, get a selfportrait. Hide it in the attic. No one must look at it. This is key.
 
2011-11-02 07:12:03 PM
Too bad we'll all be old or dead by the time it makes it to human testing... and even when it does get that far it will cost so much you, me and anyone who reads these comments won't be able to afford it anyway.
 
2011-11-02 07:12:47 PM
This is great...

if you're a mouse.

/not sure I'd want to live forever. However, I wouldn't mind a few centuries to test the concept.
 
2011-11-02 07:13:48 PM
Rain-Monkey: [www.apocalypticmovies.com image 400x300]

What could possibly go wrong?


Wouldn't that be the opposite problem?
 
2011-11-02 07:15:17 PM
Snapper Carr: This is great...

if you're a mouse.

/not sure I'd want to live forever. However, I wouldn't mind a few centuries to test the concept.


-brought to you by Morgan Industries
 
2011-11-02 07:16:02 PM
In before the life-extension trolls.
 
2011-11-02 07:22:00 PM
NSFLunch pic in that article.
 
2011-11-02 07:24:28 PM
Now if only we could cure the fat.
 
2011-11-02 07:26:46 PM
After reading the article, I picture people looking like the uncompleted Death Star.

i42.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-02 07:26:46 PM
Even if you completely remove all cells too old to divide, this won't magically make you immortal.

Aging is sort of like getting a half-dozen fatal diseases at once, and this is a a cure for one of them. Just because the cell senescence won't kill you, it doesn't mean the other crap won't, it just means the corpse you leave will be slightly prettier.
 
2011-11-02 07:29:09 PM
Combine this with a way to increase pluripotent stem cells and a more effective way to remove pre-cancerous cells and we might have a game changer.
 
2011-11-02 07:29:28 PM
or you could be blessed with Adonis like genetics.
like me and charlie sheen.
 
2011-11-02 07:36:44 PM
Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

You have plenty of company for wanting to live for hundreds of years. Not so much the only one part.
 
2011-11-02 07:38:55 PM
Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Now think about that for a second. Time is relative. Remember when you were a kid, a half hour seemed like a long time? And December was the longest month because it seemed forever until Christmas?.....now you can kill a half hour just staring off into space, doing nothing, and Christmas seems to come too frequently.

The more you age, the more your perception of time slows down. When you're ten years old, a year seems like a long time because it's 10% of your life. But when you're 100, you can easily doze off an entire year and not notice (and, consequently, a decade will take as long as a year does when you were a child, from your perspective).

When you're hundreds of years old, or even thousands, a human lifespan will feel like a blip to you. Life will race by you, you'll get bored and eventually want to kill yourself. Life doesn't really have any meaning without death.
 
2011-11-02 07:39:56 PM
Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Is your name Dorian Gray, by any chance?
 
2011-11-02 07:43:07 PM
Ishkur: Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Now think about that for a second. Time is relative. Remember when you were a kid, a half hour seemed like a long time? And December was the longest month because it seemed forever until Christmas?.....now you can kill a half hour just staring off into space, doing nothing, and Christmas seems to come too frequently.

The more you age, the more your perception of time slows down. When you're ten years old, a year seems like a long time because it's 10% of your life. But when you're 100, you can easily doze off an entire year and not notice (and, consequently, a decade will take as long as a year does when you were a child, from your perspective).

When you're hundreds of years old, or even thousands, a human lifespan will feel like a blip to you. Life will race by you, you'll get bored and eventually want to kill yourself. Life doesn't really have any meaning without death.


Maybe you will but with an entire universe it'll take me a good few thousand years at minimum before I get bored enough to want to kill myself.
 
2011-11-02 07:48:03 PM
Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Ditto. Maybe even especially if I was the only person.

And yes, I might get bored of life after hundreds of years, and maybe I won't, but we aren't talking being locked into immortality, I could always kill myself, and I'm ok with that.

InfidelSavant: Maybe you will but with an entire universe it'll take me a good few thousand years at minimum before I get bored enough to want to kill myself.

A universe with which we will see more and more of with each millenia no doubt. Of course, you WOULD have to figure out how to deal with space madness.
 
2011-11-02 07:48:58 PM
The study, published in Nature, focused on what are known as "senescent cells". They stop dividing into new cells and have an important role in preventing tumours from progressing.

So you won't live forever, just until cancer inevitably gets you?
 
2011-11-02 07:51:46 PM
Smackledorfer: Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Ditto. Maybe even especially if I was the only person.

And yes, I might get bored of life after hundreds of years, and maybe I won't, but we aren't talking being locked into immortality, I could always kill myself, and I'm ok with that.

InfidelSavant: Maybe you will but with an entire universe it'll take me a good few thousand years at minimum before I get bored enough to want to kill myself.

A universe with which we will see more and more of with each millenia no doubt. Of course, you WOULD have to figure out how to deal with space madness.


Deal with space madness, or enjoy space madness?
 
2011-11-02 08:03:16 PM
Ishkur: Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Now think about that for a second. Time is relative. Remember when you were a kid, a half hour seemed like a long time? And December was the longest month because it seemed forever until Christmas?.....now you can kill a half hour just staring off into space, doing nothing, and Christmas seems to come too frequently.

The more you age, the more your perception of time slows down. When you're ten years old, a year seems like a long time because it's 10% of your life. But when you're 100, you can easily doze off an entire year and not notice (and, consequently, a decade will take as long as a year does when you were a child, from your perspective).

When you're hundreds of years old, or even thousands, a human lifespan will feel like a blip to you. Life will race by you, you'll get bored and eventually want to kill yourself. Life doesn't really have any meaning without death.


The world is a huge place with an infinite amount of adventures to undertake. I'd be just fine.
 
2011-11-02 08:08:04 PM
Hmmm I just read about this in a book......


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2011-11-02 08:15:27 PM
as long as no one sparkles, i don't care
 
2011-11-02 08:20:30 PM
dustlesswalnut: "Hot underage teens?"

Subby is a pedo.


He said teens not pre-teens. Me thinks you do not know what a pedo is.
 
2011-11-02 08:20:44 PM
Smackledorfer: Ditto. Maybe even especially if I was the only person.

I would spend my immortality hunting down and beheading the other immortals.

There can be ONLY ONE!
 
2011-11-02 08:21:43 PM
According to ads in the margins of websites, Asians have had this secret for centuries.
 
2011-11-02 08:22:28 PM
I never understood people who say 'well who wants to live forever'. I farkin do thats who. Im awesome, the world is awesome, Ill keep it coming as long as I can thanks. sheesh
 
2011-11-02 08:27:55 PM
Dr Jesus Gil, from the Medical Research Council's clinical science centre, said the findings needed to be "taken with a bit of caution. It is a preliminary study".

Well look who shows up to ruin the fun for us would-be immortals.
 
2011-11-02 08:27:59 PM
Car_Ramrod: The world is a huge place with an infinite amount of adventures to undertake. I'd be just fine.

Terra has 7 billion people on it now and that population is expanding by vast amounts still. I predict those numbers will change dramatically in the next 100-200 years, probably violently. It would be interesting to see what happens from the perspective of one who is alive now... if that one could survive the seeing.

Good night, sweet dreams long-lifer.
 
2011-11-02 08:31:52 PM
Gunther: Even if you completely remove all cells too old to divide, this won't magically make you immortal.

Aging is sort of like getting a half-dozen fatal diseases at once, and this is a a cure for one of them. Just because the cell senescence won't kill you, it doesn't mean the other crap won't, it just means the corpse you leave will be slightly prettier.


What they're addressing here is the underlying cause for most of the other crap. Senescent cells are basically what causes aging processes- the other crap is often caused by the fact that you have weak cells that aren't working right that aren't getting replaced with fresh ones. When you're in your youth, we get rid of those cells naturally. For some reason, that stops after a certain point, and they start accumulating. What this is is a way to keep clearing those things out as you age.

This will increase cancer rates though. As you live longer and longer and your cells are replicating more and more, the percentages of cells that mutate into cancer doesn't increase, but you go through more cells in your lifetime, so while we'll live longer, we'll be dying from cancer rather than from fat deposits helping to give us heart attacks.

Basically, it keeps the body fresh. A natural death is basically when you stop getting oxygen to critical systems, for whatever reason. If you're keeping the cells in here fresh, you're keeping those parts healthy and young. And you don't die from your heart muscle not being strong enough to keep fresh oxygen flowing to your brain anymore. You die from other things.

This seriously is eternal youth. Not just cosmetically, but substantially. If it translates from mice to humans, anyway. We'll still die, true, but it won't be from the stuff we traditionally associate with aging, because if this is fully realized, we flat out won't age. Cancer and motorcycle accidents while trying to jump the Grand Canyon will be the leading causes of death.
 
2011-11-02 08:35:24 PM
bk3k: dustlesswalnut: "Hot underage teens?"

Subby is a pedo.

He said teens not pre-teens. Me thinks you do not know what a pedo is.


"As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia (or paedophilia) is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary)."

13 is teen, 13 is underage, 13 can count for pedophilia, my statement remains plausible.

But if you prefer:

Subby is an ephebophile.
 
2011-11-02 08:37:16 PM
cptjeff: Cancer and motorcycle accidents while trying to jump the Grand Canyon will be the leading causes of death.

That and Super AIDS. Don't forget Super AIDS.

/also beheadings
 
2011-11-02 08:45:14 PM
cptjeff: What they're addressing here is the underlying cause for most of the other crap. Senescent cells are basically what causes aging processes- the other crap is often caused by the fact that you have weak cells that aren't working right that aren't getting replaced with fresh ones.

...Not really. There's plenty of aging-causing crap (mitochondrial mutations, intracellular/extracellular junk, the loss of unreplacable cells*) which is completely unrelated to this. That's not to say preventing cellular senescence wouldn't be a big deal, but it isn't quite a potion of eternal youth. Best case, it might make your last few decades of life more pleasant.

*There's actually a few more causes I can't remember, I'm sure the instant I post this they'll come back to me.
 
2011-11-02 09:48:28 PM
Having a difficult time understanding the "this wouldn't solve the entire live for centuries" dismissal of this. One sixth of a pie is still dessert.

Think of this for having the potential to be very expensive cosmetic surgery; part of the "fix" for aging; not the cure but a hell of a lot better than injecting Botulinum Type A
 
2011-11-02 10:14:29 PM
InfidelSavant: Ishkur: Car_Ramrod: I've seen this thread before, and here's my oblig contribution to it: yes, I want to live for hundreds of years, even if I was the only person with that lifespan.

Now think about that for a second. Time is relative. Remember when you were a kid, a half hour seemed like a long time? And December was the longest month because it seemed forever until Christmas?.....now you can kill a half hour just staring off into space, doing nothing, and Christmas seems to come too frequently.

The more you age, the more your perception of time slows down. When you're ten years old, a year seems like a long time because it's 10% of your life. But when you're 100, you can easily doze off an entire year and not notice (and, consequently, a decade will take as long as a year does when you were a child, from your perspective).

When you're hundreds of years old, or even thousands, a human lifespan will feel like a blip to you. Life will race by you, you'll get bored and eventually want to kill yourself. Life doesn't really have any meaning without death.

Maybe you will but with an entire universe it'll take me a good few thousand years at minimum before I get bored enough to want to kill myself.


Don't forget other realities to explore too. I'll see you out there in the void later. These easily bored mortals can stay at their level of evolution while we unravel the mysteries of reality.
 
2011-11-02 10:21:53 PM
Talon: Too bad we'll all be old or dead by the time it makes it to human testing... and even when it does get that far it will cost so much you, me and anyone who reads these comments won't be able to afford it anyway.

I think you underestimate the power of greed.


This doesn't sound like a one-time treatment. Assuming this develops into a drug treatment for this aspect of aging, EVERYONE who lives to a moderately old age will want to cough up money to retain as much youth-like vigor as possible, and that means potentially the entire population over the age of, say, 30 could be your market. You could price the stuff at a range affordable to barely-middle-class people and still make hundreds of billions on it worldwide.


...AND have a majority of the world's population dependent on your company and its product, which adds a certain amount of political power to the rewards...

 
2011-11-02 10:27:31 PM
Epicanis: Talon: Too bad we'll all be old or dead by the time it makes it to human testing... and even when it does get that far it will cost so much you, me and anyone who reads these comments won't be able to afford it anyway.

I think you underestimate the power of greed.
This doesn't sound like a one-time treatment. Assuming this develops into a drug treatment for this aspect of aging, EVERYONE who lives to a moderately old age will want to cough up money to retain as much youth-like vigor as possible, and that means potentially the entire population over the age of, say, 30 could be your market. You could price the stuff at a range affordable to barely-middle-class people and still make hundreds of billions on it worldwide.
...AND have a majority of the world's population dependent on your company and its product, which adds a certain amount of political power to the rewards...


This is why I am glad that I took as much chemistry as I did in college.

\off to price lab equipment and reagents
 
2011-11-02 11:25:18 PM
You mean like in

3.bp.blogspot.com

/DNRTFA
//movie was meh
///image is hot
 
2011-11-03 01:27:51 AM
Reason itself does not work instinctively, but requires trial, practice, and instruction in order gradually to progress from one level of insight to another. Therefore a single man would have to live excessively long in order to learn to make full use of all his natural capacities.

-Immanuel Kant

/I wouldn't be bored
 
2011-11-03 01:43:05 AM
Ishkur: Life doesn't really have any meaning without death.

I've always just assumed that people who don't want to live forever, or at least a very long time, just don't have anything to live for. Surely somebody with any kind drive or purpose would want to extend their life purely for the sake of living, rather than to avoid death. Is there truly nothing in your live that holds greater meaning to you then a means to starve off boredom until oblivion?
 
2011-11-03 01:52:39 AM
AstralRunner: I've always just assumed that people who don't want to live forever, or at least a very long time, just don't have anything to live for. Surely somebody with any kind drive or purpose would want to extend their life purely for the sake of living, rather than to avoid death. Is there truly nothing in your live that holds greater meaning to you then a means to starve off boredom until oblivion?

Let me put it to you this way:

Think of something you really enjoyed doing as a child. Like play with your toys or something. You don't do that anymore. Why? You've matured...you've grown out of it. Toys no longer have the fascination they once did.

Now, apply this perspective to everything else. Eventually, everybody runs out of things to live for, and we all grow out of the things we love doing. You're not going to be doing the same things at 40 that you were at 20. Or at 60. or 80.

Ultimately, we all stop playing with our toys.
 
2011-11-03 02:26:08 AM
Ishkur: AstralRunner: I've always just assumed that people who don't want to live forever, or at least a very long time, just don't have anything to live for. Surely somebody with any kind drive or purpose would want to extend their life purely for the sake of living, rather than to avoid death. Is there truly nothing in your live that holds greater meaning to you then a means to starve off boredom until oblivion?

Let me put it to you this way:

Think of something you really enjoyed doing as a child. Like play with your toys or something. You don't do that anymore. Why? You've matured...you've grown out of it. Toys no longer have the fascination they once did.

Now, apply this perspective to everything else. Eventually, everybody runs out of things to live for, and we all grow out of the things we love doing. You're not going to be doing the same things at 40 that you were at 20. Or at 60. or 80.

Ultimately, we all stop playing with our toys.


So, your imagination is limited; you cannot imagine the toys a person free to live to 500 might have. Long term goals and projects.
 
2011-11-03 08:47:43 AM
Fano: So, your imagination is limited; you cannot imagine the toys a person free to live to 500 might have. Long term goals and projects.

At age 500, 50 years will feel like 1 year to you. People's entire lives will shoot right past you, from infancy to middle age, without you scarcely noticing. The entire world would be a detatched blur, moving too fast for you to interact with it.

And there will be nothing -- ABSOLUTELY NOTHING -- at that age that you would feel the slightest bit compulsion toward doing. Your life would be fraught with ennui.

I know you don't think that would happen because you're young and you think the way you think right now is the way you'll think forever. But that's not going to happen. Your tastes, habits, interests, and your imagination changes.... you won't even want to do the same things 10 years from now, much less a hundred.

Remember that at age 5, you thought a ten minute timeout felt like a life sentence and you thought you would watch cartoons forever. But you grew out of them.

Everything you're doing now, you will grow out of.
 
2011-11-03 09:18:10 AM
Ishkur: At age 500, 50 years will feel like 1 year to you. People's entire lives will shoot right past you, from infancy to middle age, without you scarcely noticing. The entire world would be a detatched blur, moving too fast for you to interact with it.

Do you seriously believe that?

Sure, during your youth your lack of patience and life experience means that sometimes things feel like they take longer than they really do, and as we get elderly and our various infirmities take their toll we start to slow down, but I can tell you from firsthand experience; there's no difference in your perception of the passage of time for your adult life. Someone who's thirty doesn't perceive time as moving slower than someone who's sixty.
 
2011-11-03 09:58:51 AM
Does that mean I'll have to learn swordfighting from a scottish-sounding Spaniard?
 
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