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2011-11-02 07:07:23 PM
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2011-11-02 08:57:46 PM
I don't see any reason to assume ET evolved from creatures terrified of the dark.
 
2011-11-02 08:58:04 PM
When alien lights, go down, in the city
And the suns shine on the bay
I want to go the-re-ere in that city
Oooooh
Ooooooooooh
Oooh oh oh
 
2011-11-02 09:03:27 PM
I'm so very, very scared of street lights?
 
2011-11-02 09:04:15 PM
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oh my god, we are being invaded by aliens.

/because aliens
 
2011-11-02 09:04:16 PM
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2011-11-02 09:14:30 PM
I doubt any species that will last any appreciable time will be nearly as retarded as us.
 
2011-11-02 09:29:23 PM
I just watched 10 minutes of that History Channel aliens show waiting for the space alien hair guy to make an appearance, but he was a no-show. Very disappointing.

/csb
 
2011-11-02 09:32:01 PM
FTFA: Loeb and Turner also calculate that existing telescopes can see a city the size of Tokyo, if it were located on an asteroid or dead comet at about 50 Astronomical units from here, in the Kuiper Belt. So another place to look might be on those objects, to see if anyone has been building in our neighborhood.

Before you go to that much trouble, you might try looking over the lunar surface to catalog all artificial disturbances, like footprints. The lunar surface is effectively undisturbed for, what 200 million years on average? That's a pretty nice slice of time to look for debris left over from ET's famous vacuum picnic parties.
 
2011-11-02 09:47:32 PM
Phil Moskowitz: I doubt any species that will last any appreciable time will be nearly as retarded as us.

For any creature that relies primarily on sight and is far enough along intelligence wise and socially that they can choose to do things and the time they want to do them regardless of the time of day, having lights will be useful.

Lights in themselves aren't retarded, and this is a pretty cool idea. It won't find every intelligent species out there, as not all will be as reliant on sight as we are, but it ought to find a few. With enough time and effort looking at every remotely viable planet out there.
 
2011-11-02 09:53:27 PM
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2011-11-02 09:55:14 PM
Bathia_Mapes: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 270x304]

Is that streetlamp supposed to look like an angry god, giant robot, or a UFO?
 
2011-11-02 10:12:24 PM
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Yay! I can use this again. I made this for another thread, but what the hell. Really liking that one in that initial, thread starting post
 
2011-11-02 10:26:37 PM
cptjeff: Bathia_Mapes: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 270x304]

Is that streetlamp supposed to look like an angry god, giant robot, or a UFO?


UFO.
 
2011-11-02 11:18:20 PM
OMG! It's an idea from the 1950s!

I'll be charitable and assume this was a deadline-required filler piece rather than a story anyone involved thought was actually new.


DarnoKonrad: I don't see any reason to assume ET evolved from creatures terrified of the dark.

Maybe, maybe not. Easier to look for what you know you could find.

Generally speaking, the most profitable method is to look for anomalous heat. Most everything winds up as heat at one level or another, and most extrapolated and known technology produces heat signatures that don't match natural signatures. A big IR telescope outside our atmosphere could see lots of stuff . . . if it's there.

Fermi Paradox suggests it's probably not visible, though, and probably not by accident, but who knows.
 
2011-11-02 11:27:14 PM
Or it could be a planet overpopulated with bio-luminescent creatures. Light wouldn't necessarily indicate intelligence.

Land of the giant lightning-bugs.
 
2011-11-02 11:36:52 PM
I reckon that the first aliens we meet communicate by exhaling and telekinetically vibrating mass quantities of hydrogen cyanide on a quantum level.
 
2011-11-02 11:52:28 PM
wendolynne: Or it could be a planet overpopulated with bio-luminescent creatures. Light wouldn't necessarily indicate intelligence.

Land of the giant lightning-bugs.


That would make me want to land there even more than civilization, actually.
 
2011-11-02 11:53:45 PM
It they are intelligent, they will have realized that they need to put reflectors on their streetlights so to direct the light onto the ground where they want it instead of off into space like we do. We have not learned that yet.
 
2011-11-03 01:01:05 AM
Look, I'm going to be the one who has to say it. We will never find alien life. The limitations on space travel, and the vanishingly small probability of life starting naturally means that for all practical purposes were are alone in the universe. I know, it's sad to think about, but we'll get over it.

What bugs me about it: My tax dollars have been spent on research meant to help us find ET and it's all going to waste. But it's whatever.That too is something that will be gotten over.
 
2011-11-03 01:11:48 AM
DarnoKonrad: I don't see any reason to assume ET evolved from creatures terrified of the dark.

True, but a lot of what we're basing our search on is the only known case we know it works. Since we have no other boundaries to look for, any search criteria we have would be pretty arbitrary (even the assumption it's carbon based may turn out wrong). So we might as well start from what we know works even if the sample size is limited to 1 planet with 1 species that has developed these technologies.
 
2011-11-03 01:11:51 AM
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2011-11-03 01:13:19 AM
the vanishingly small probability of life starting naturally

This is a common but complete assumption. We honestly know virtually nothing about this probability, even for life similar to our own. We know of only one significant location where we're 100% certain there is or isn't life -- Earth -- and we're not at all sure that it only arose once. Recent findings suggest it arose earlier than previously thought, probably under conditions where we previously thought it would have been impossible.

And, again, that's just for life similar to our own. We don't even know if there's dissimilar life on this planet, perhaps deep underground. We're pretty sure there isn't life similar to our own in a cosmologically vanishingly small number of other places. And that's all we know.

That said, we probably (by which I mean a statistic probability) shouldn't be spending tax dollars looking for alien life. For one thing, what does seem unlikely, for various reasons, is that we'll be able to have meaningful informational contact with them. More importantly, contact with an alien culture would most likely violently and negatively disrupt our own cultures.

You can look this up if you like. Admittedly, we don't have concrete historical experience with alien cultures, but history's been pretty consistent as far as what happens when a less technologically advanced culture encounters a more technologically advanced one. Even when the more advanced one has the best of intentions, it's almost always a disaster.
 
2011-11-03 01:27:03 AM
RandomAxe: Even when the more advanced one has the best of intentions, it's almost always a disaster.

For a while, anyway. And then slowly the prejudices fade away and the miscegenation can begin!

I don't really see much of a problem spending tax dollars looking for alien life. The budget for those programs is so small as to be pretty irrelevant in the large scheme of things and some of the technological innovations and by-products of those programs have been pretty useful in other fields.
 
2011-11-03 06:31:02 AM
IrishFarmer: Look, I'm going to be the one who has to say it. We will never find alien life. The limitations on space travel, and the vanishingly small probability of life starting naturally means that for all practical purposes were are alone in the universe. I know, it's sad to think about, but we'll get over it.

What bugs me about it: My tax dollars have been spent on research meant to help us find ET and it's all going to waste. But it's whatever.That too is something that will be gotten over.


I don't think we will make direct contact with intelligent alien life, but we could find alien life on Europa or the find the remains of a probe or come into contact with an alien Von Nuemann machine. There are ways to indirectly detect (intelligent) life. And c'mon, of all the stuff we could spend money on I think the search for other life in the universe is a worthy one. "Are we alone in the universe?" is one of the fundamental human questions.
 
2011-11-03 09:26:33 AM
DarnoKonrad: I don't see any reason to assume ET evolved from creatures terrified of the dark.

What about if they evolved from creatures that couldn't see in the dark, so developed artificial light sources to aid them in their night time activities?
 
2011-11-03 10:49:34 AM
Or we could look for shady spots on the day side.
 
2011-11-03 11:25:59 AM
cptjeff: Bathia_Mapes: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 270x304]

Is that streetlamp supposed to look like an angry god, giant robot, or a UFO?


Welcom to Fark. Have a seat in this wooden slatted chair right over here, and help yourself to some vodak
 
2011-11-03 12:18:49 PM
Phil Moskowitz: I doubt any species that will last any appreciable time will be nearly as retarded as us.

Well yes, of course aliens are afraid of the dark and want to slowly turn their night sky pink like us humans do!
Also great to assume they'd have the same visible light spectrum we do.
 
2011-11-03 09:32:24 PM
Reverend Monkeypants: Phil Moskowitz: I doubt any species that will last any appreciable time will be nearly as retarded as us.

Well yes, of course aliens are afraid of the dark and want to slowly turn their night sky pink like us humans do!
Also great to assume they'd have the same visible light spectrum we do.


It's great you've joined the morass of people who don't understand probability over time. Thanks for making everything I've said accessible to people less dense than you.
 
2011-11-04 10:44:30 AM
Phil Moskowitz: Reverend Monkeypants: Phil Moskowitz: I doubt any species that will last any appreciable time will be nearly as retarded as us.

Well yes, of course aliens are afraid of the dark and want to slowly turn their night sky pink like us humans do!
Also great to assume they'd have the same visible light spectrum we do.

It's great you've joined the morass of people who don't understand probability over time. Thanks for making everything I've said accessible to people less dense than you.


/bow
 
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