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2011-11-02 06:31:37 PM
Huntsman said as president he would clear the way for the "continued safe use" of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," a method of extracting fossil fuels which has been criticized for its environmental impact, as well as encourage more domestic oil drilling.

And... he lost me.

Call me when that industry isn't mysteriously exempt from the US Safe Drinking Water Act.

The EPA recently looked into some of the water contamination claims. 17 of the 19 wells they examined shows signs of contamination by nearby fracking. They wrap up by noting that they don't know the scope of the contamination because they haven't taken enough data points yet.

Fracking disposal wells were recently banned in Arkansas. I can't imagine what you have to do to get anything banned in Arkansas.
 
2011-11-02 06:35:16 PM
Surprisingly enough, it doesn't involve wind turbines placed over the mouths of his GOP contenders

No, but it should...
 
2011-11-02 06:35:40 PM
chimp_ninja: Huntsman said as president he would clear the way for the "continued safe use" of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," a method of extracting fossil fuels which has been criticized for its environmental impact, as well as encourage more domestic oil drilling.

And... he lost me.

Call me when that industry isn't mysteriously exempt from the US Safe Drinking Water Act.

The EPA recently looked into some of the water contamination claims. 17 of the 19 wells they examined shows signs of contamination by nearby fracking. They wrap up by noting that they don't know the scope of the contamination because they haven't taken enough data points yet.

Fracking disposal wells were recently banned in Arkansas. I can't imagine what you have to do to get anything banned in Arkansas.


Safe clean drinking water is more important than oil that contaminates drinking water.


Tinfoil hat time: I'm sure it's also a ploy to make people buy bottled water
 
2011-11-02 06:36:05 PM
Too rational.
 
2011-11-02 06:36:58 PM
John Huntsman believes Americans should believe in the gold standard while setting their tap water on fire.

Vote for John - he'll let you fark his daughters
 
2011-11-02 06:37:20 PM
If the US government would just let the job producing energy industry self-police, this would be a non-issue. Obviously, the market would punish companies who are not environmentally conscious.
 
2011-11-02 06:41:08 PM
What's with all the oil companies advertising on TV? I especially hate the one with those college kids arriving at the conclusion that natural gas is hip.
 
2011-11-02 06:41:08 PM
Headline win.
 
2011-11-02 06:43:38 PM
drhansenej: Too rational.

"Eliminating regulations" on domestic energy production is not rational.
 
2011-11-02 06:44:16 PM
Need Help Soonish: Surprisingly enough, it doesn't involve wind turbines placed over the mouths of his GOP contenders

No, but it should...


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2011-11-02 06:47:17 PM
Huntsman

*crickets*
 
2011-11-02 06:49:56 PM
Finally, Huntsman ended his three proposals by saying, "I will systematically begin to eliminate every subsidy for energy companies, whether it be oil, natural gas, wind or solar. Under my presidency the United States will get out of the subsidy business."

He said the United States needed to invest in "pure" research into alternate sources of energy and building a smart grid, adding states could be the incubators of new energy technologies.


Wouldn't ending subsidies to solar companies mean we would stop investing in the research and development those solar companies perform?
 
2011-11-02 06:57:37 PM
I'm on board with pure research. If we manhattan project'd the everliving fark out of some clean renewable energy research I'm sure we'd come up with something useful.
 
2011-11-02 07:01:45 PM
incendi: I'm on board with pure research. If we manhattan project'd the everliving fark out of some clean renewable energy research I'm sure we'd come up with something useful.

Which only seems to happen when this country is in some kind of do-or-die state of war.

But when we've met the "enemy", and it is us, well...forget it.

What's the rush?
 
2011-11-02 07:03:36 PM
incendi: I'm on board with pure research. If we manhattan project'd the everliving fark out of some clean renewable energy research I'm sure we'd come up with something useful.

By 'pure research' I'm sure he means to cut all renewable related funding and start dumping taxpayer dollars into that hole known as "Clean Coal."

Because we all know the billions (if not tens of billions) we've given to the profitable coal industry in the name of research over the past few decades as resulted in . . . something . . . anything?
 
2011-11-02 07:05:14 PM
Sock Ruh Tease: John Huntsman believes Americans should believe in the gold standard while setting their tap water on fire.
That's bad...

Sock Ruh Tease: Vote for John - he'll let you fark his daughters
/Googles Huntsman's daughters
That's good!

Although I have the sneaking suspicion the tap water will also contain potassium benzoate...
 
2011-11-02 07:05:30 PM
MrSteve007: incendi: I'm on board with pure research. If we manhattan project'd the everliving fark out of some clean renewable energy research I'm sure we'd come up with something useful.

By 'pure research' I'm sure he means to cut all renewable related funding and start dumping taxpayer dollars into that hole known as "Clean Coal."

Because we all know the billions (if not tens of billions) we've given to the profitable coal industry in the name of research over the past few decades as resulted in . . . something . . . anything?


By gum, they're going to MEET those toxic mercury standards. Voluntarily. In a few years. Or longer, if that's what it takes.
 
2011-11-02 07:08:22 PM
incendi: I'm on board with pure research. If we manhattan project'd the everliving fark out of some clean renewable energy research I'm sure we'd come up with something useful.

That's what I was thinking. Energy is the future of everything and it runs just about our entire economy, at one level or another. Find a cheap, clean, renewable energy source, and you've solved one of the biggest problems of our foreseeable future. I like Huntsman's take on a lot of stuff. Now, if only he could stop obsessing over deregulation and go with a more direct route... oh well.

At the very least, though, Huntsman takes a means-end approach to analyzing politics.
Problem: energy is dirty, expensive, and finite in supply.
Desired outcome: Come up with a renewable, clean, cheap source of energy.
Approach: Deregulate???

That's where it falls apart for me. How does deregulation spur innovation? Wouldn't it be better for the biggest financial player in the game to look 50 years in the future and fund innovation and invention in the energy industry? Instead, he seems to think we need to deregulate the fossil fuel industries, who only look a couple of quarters ahead in the future because that's what the stock market demands, because for some reason if they're making bigger profits they'll invest that money into renewable energy research? They've been making enormous profits for years, and mostly they just pay it in dividends to their stockholders, who, incidentally, are also their executives and leaders.
 
2011-11-02 07:11:12 PM
CapnBlues: That's where it falls apart for me. How does deregulation spur innovation?

Real capitalists succeed by using the Honor System.

*tries to keep a straight face*
*tries harder*
 
2011-11-02 07:14:17 PM
You know what would be nice......pointing to which regulations to eliminate.

I believe we probably do have layers of useless regulation along with layers of good regulation. Would someone be kind enough to tell me which regulations they are planning to repeal or do more of?
 
2011-11-02 07:16:36 PM
CapnBlues: That's where it falls apart for me. How does deregulation spur innovation? Wouldn't it be better for the biggest financial player in the game to look 50 years in the future and fund innovation and invention in the energy industry? Instead, he seems to think we need to deregulate the fossil fuel industries, who only look a couple of quarters ahead in the future because that's what the stock market demands, because for some reason if they're making bigger profits they'll invest that money into renewable energy research? They've been making enormous profits for years, and mostly they just pay it in dividends to their stockholders, who, incidentally, are also their executives and leaders.

Oh come on, everyone knows that deregulation of markets - especially that of energy markets, is the key to growth and innovation. By removing of pollution standards, we'll make the air cleaner! Energy deregulation has already done wonders for consumers over the past 10 years:
upload.wikimedia.org
Besides, what other industries give us such wonderful and innovative business practices, such as - "Death Star," "Fat Boy," or "Ricochet" (new window)?
 
2011-11-02 07:24:04 PM
drhansenej: Too rational.


Huntsman's always being given too much credit for being rational and I think it's only because the other Republican contenders are just so unbelieveably ridiculous. I mean, Huntsman said he'd support Michelle Bachmann for president and would be willing to run as her VP! Does that sound reasonable?

President batshiat and the "rational" guy, what a great ticket!

Sure, Huntsman said he trusts science, but any sensible person should, it should go without saying. Having a bit of sense shouldn't be grounds for praise, it should be the norm. It's only because the other Republican candidates have set the bar so low that he gets praised for his "rationality".

I expect more from a presidential candidate than not being the dullest knife in the drawer.
 
2011-11-02 07:25:23 PM
A+ would lol again
 
2011-11-02 07:25:37 PM
Ezy Ryder: I expect more from a presidential candidate than not being the dullest knife in the drawer.

Yeah, but would you wanna have a beer with him? That's the real litmus test in this country.

/barf
 
2011-11-02 07:26:58 PM
Huntsman will be the VP nominee
 
2011-11-02 07:29:46 PM
Ayn Rand's Cervix: Huntsman will be the VP nominee

Nope. Needs more Bachmann Palin Overdrive.
 
2011-11-02 07:30:47 PM
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2011-11-02 07:33:04 PM
MrSteve007: CapnBlues: That's where it falls apart for me. How does deregulation spur innovation? Wouldn't it be better for the biggest financial player in the game to look 50 years in the future and fund innovation and invention in the energy industry? Instead, he seems to think we need to deregulate the fossil fuel industries, who only look a couple of quarters ahead in the future because that's what the stock market demands, because for some reason if they're making bigger profits they'll invest that money into renewable energy research? They've been making enormous profits for years, and mostly they just pay it in dividends to their stockholders, who, incidentally, are also their executives and leaders.

Oh come on, everyone knows that deregulation of markets - especially that of energy markets, is the key to growth and innovation. By removing of pollution standards, we'll make the air cleaner! Energy deregulation has already done wonders for consumers over the past 10 years:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 150x148]
Besides, what other industries give us such wonderful and innovative business practices, such as - "Death Star," "Fat Boy," or "Ricochet" (new window)?


From your link: John Forney, a former energy trader who invented various strategies such as the "Death Star," was indicted in December 2002, on 11 counts of conspiracy and wire fraud. On August 5, 2004 John Forney plead guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and in 2007 was given 2 years probation and a $4,000 USD fine.

Wow, there's an amazing disincentive to commit fraud!
 
2011-11-02 07:40:19 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: From your link: John Forney, a former energy trader who invented various strategies such as the "Death Star," was indicted in December 2002, on 11 counts of conspiracy and wire fraud. On August 5, 2004 John Forney plead guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and in 2007 was given 2 years probation and a $4,000 USD fine.

Wow, there's an amazing disincentive to commit fraud!


Yep, that's how the system works. Defraud the citizens of California out of some $36-billion via their deregulated electrical market Link (new window) - make one guy pay a $4,000 fine and 2-years probation.

While collar justice served.
 
2011-11-02 07:45:16 PM
MrSteve007: Tyrone Slothrop: From your link: John Forney, a former energy trader who invented various strategies such as the "Death Star," was indicted in December 2002, on 11 counts of conspiracy and wire fraud. On August 5, 2004 John Forney plead guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and in 2007 was given 2 years probation and a $4,000 USD fine.

Wow, there's an amazing disincentive to commit fraud!

Yep, that's how the system works. Defraud the citizens of California out of some $36-billion via their deregulated electrical market Link (new window) - make one guy pay a $4,000 fine and 2-years probation.

While collar justice served.


Get caught with an ounce of crack? That'll be 20 years of your life, please.
 
2011-11-02 07:51:33 PM
chimp_ninja: Huntsman said as president he would clear the way for the "continued safe use" of hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," a method of extracting fossil fuels which has been criticized for its environmental impact, as well as encourage more domestic oil drilling.

And... he lost me.

Call me when that industry isn't mysteriously exempt from the US Safe Drinking Water Act.

The EPA recently looked into some of the water contamination claims. 17 of the 19 wells they examined shows signs of contamination by nearby fracking. They wrap up by noting that they don't know the scope of the contamination because they haven't taken enough data points yet.

Fracking disposal wells were recently banned in Arkansas. I can't imagine what you have to do to get anything banned in Arkansas.


KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! (new window)

/Skeptoid FTW
 
2011-11-02 08:00:28 PM
Minus1Kelvin: KNOWLEDGE IS POWER! (new window)

/Skeptoid FTW


I'll see your skeptoid and raise you a This American Life (new window)
 
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