/obligatory, updated

From the other thread:

ginandbacon 2011-11-02 10:38:46 AM

The numbers we should be looking at though are the Obama vs. ____. None of the GOP candidates fares well:

47 - 42 percent over Romney, compared to a 46 - 42 percent Romney lead October 5;
52 - 36 percent over Perry, up from a 45 - 44 percent tie last month;
50 - 40 percent over Cain, who was not included in a matchup last month;
52 - 37 percent over Gingrich, who was not matched last month.

Also interesting are the gains Obama is making with whites and men:

Over the past month the president's approval among men improved from 60 - 36 percent disapproval to 53 - 43 percent disapproval today; white voters shift from 62 - 34 percent disapproval to 56 - 40 percent disapproval. Women shift from a 51 - 46 percent disapproval last month to a 50 - 46 percent approval today.

The big news is the likely US House voter trends:

Nov 02 Oct 05 Aug 31 Mar 31
2011 2011 2011 2011

Republican 34 39 38 40
Democratic 42 39 38 37

BUT, Republicans are way more enthusiastic about 2012:

Tot Rep Dem Ind Men Wom Wht Blk Hsp

More 31% 45% 24% 30% 31% 31% 30% 33% 34%
Less 23 14 24 27 21 24 25 17 17
About the same 45 39 52 43 47 43 44 49 49


(From the Quinnipiac poll (new window) cited by TFA.)

ginandbacon 2011-11-02 10:39:42 AM

Sorry for the wacky formatting...

What ginandbacon said.

Funny how he's still ahead of every legitimate (and I use that term loosely) GOP presidential challenger.

/bats in hair > bats in belfry > tebow

ginandbacon: BUT, Republicans are way more enthusiastic about 2012:

How?

Are they gearing up to take out RINOs like Boehner, or is that general sentiment?

I could see them being very excited right now imagining their candidate (be it Santorum, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, etc.) winning. I want to see that number after the convention bruises some egos.

bulldg4life: In a shocking turn of events, Obama will continue to look like a better choice as the GOP candidates continue to talk.

Over the past year, Obama has been compared to the ideal candidate that any conservative would picture as their ideal president. Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and Romney are not that candidate. And, as the election gets closer, more and more people will realize that.

How long is it until we're back to "SARAH PALIN, SAVE US!!1111"

I give it a week.

metametameta: And Obama has been only half-heartedly campaigning. I'm looking forward to when he starts really getting into it, but I suspect I'll have have to wait until the Republicans have actually figured who they want to run against him. It should be entertaining when it happens.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense for him to go full bore against Generic Republican Candidate. We'll have to wait until the GOP convention.

I don't really think I'd be 50/50 on the prospect of BATS IN MY HAIR, submittier

sprawl15: meat0918: ginandbacon: BUT, Republicans are way more enthusiastic about 2012:

How?

Are they gearing up to take out RINOs like Boehner, or is that general sentiment?

I could see them being very excited right now imagining their candidate (be it Santorum, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, etc.) winning. I want to see that number after the convention bruises some egos.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it'll turn out; a whole lot of people glad that their idiotic candidate has a chance this year, and then a whole bunch of rage when a different idiotic candidate gets chosen to lose against Obama.

I have a hard time seeing that famed Republican unity holding strong this time around, given how divided their own party is at the moment.

sprawl15: I'm really, really hoping Romney doesn't win it, because I'd pay in the tens of dollars to watch a debate between, say, Obama and Santorum.

If Romney doesn't win, it's going to be on like Voltron. A glorious, decadent gift to the Democrats. And pure lulzy joy to watch.

InmanRoshi: Is this the continuatoin of the supposed "plummeting" of approval ratings from 49% to 44% I've been hearing about over the last 3 years.


How many times did we see this image back in late 2009?

Coco LaFemme: I still worry about the people who voted for him in 2008 not voting for him again next year. I understand there's disaffection, and that things aren't as good as they could be, but I refuse to see how anyone who at the least is a Moderate, could vote for anyone the GOP throws up there. What I'd love to do is walk up to one of these people ask ask them, "Look at where you are now. Do you think you'll be better off in 2016 than you are now, with Herman Cain/Mitt Romney/Rick Perry/Michele Bachmann/Newt Gingrich/Ron Paul/Rick Santorum as President?"

The Republicans have the answer, from the looks of their Candidate pool they are running Candidates that will force the 08 Obama voters who are dissatisfied with him to go "OMG if we don't vote, ______ will win and the country will really be screwed! To the Polls Maurice!"

I didn't vote him on 08 (3rd party) and am pretty Meh about his Meh performance, but looking at the assortment of fruits, nuts and flakes the Republicans are pushing- Huntsman seems to be the only sane candidate,- I most likely will vote for him just to save the Nation

Coco LaFemme: I still worry about the people who voted for him in 2008 not voting for him again next year. I understand there's disaffection, and that things aren't as good as they could be, but I refuse to see how anyone who at the least is a Moderate, could vote for anyone the GOP throws up there. What I'd love to do is walk up to one of these people ask ask them, "Look at where you are now. Do you think you'll be better off in 2016 than you are now, with Herman Cain/Mitt Romney/Rick Perry/Michele Bachmann/Newt Gingrich/Ron Paul/Rick Santorum as President?"

This is a real issue. Even if Obama could get the kind of engagement he had in 2008, the GOP has been doing everything they can to nullify Democrats' votes with gerrymandering, voter ID laws, purging the rolls and doing everything they can to boost their turnout with ballot initiatives about guns, gays, and God.

My take is that the RNC doesn't actually care about the presidential race. They are using it to drive the base to the polls to try to take over the Senate and gain more seats in the House. There are also a few governorships up for grabs.

The only candidate who has the kind of ability to drive turnout is Rick Perry. His team is scary good at it. They don't pay any attention to what anyone thinks except the base and they get them to the polls.

Likability doesn't matter.
Debates don't matter.
Minor scandals don't matter.

Who can get people registered and willing to vote is what matters. (And get those votes counted.)

thamike: Actually, that's the first time I've ever seen it.

It was usually one of the now absent trolls.

HellRaisingHoosier: President Obama has:

lowered unemployment
increased unemployment insurance and lowered COBRA payments
lowered taxes
extended healthcare coverage
reformed finance law
led the killing of Osama bin Laden
increased gun rights
successfully assisted natural disasters relief
helped international relations to the U.S.

....and all in the face of the obstructionist Congress is United States history.


As of right now. He has my vote.

But he's a a Communist Nazi Muslim Socialist Peacenik Elitist Dhimmicrat Man-Child Egghead Celebrity Jihadist Appeaser Usurper Dictator Manchurian-Candidate Community-Organizer Cult-Leader Empty-Suit Tyrant Bureaucrat Hypocrite Non-Citizen America-Hater Arugula-Muncher Marxist Terrorist Liberal Leftist Stalinist Welfare-Statist Narcissist Plagiarist Murderer Islamofascist Sleeper-Cell Ghetto-Trash Blame-America-Firster Fearmonger Racist Atheist Kenyan Keynesian Militant Flag-Burner Gun-Grabber Union-Thug Anti-Semite Media-Darling Fifth-Columnist Ponzi-Schemer Vacation-Abuser Black-Liberationist Abortionist Antichrist Coward Traitor Liar Death-Panelist Affirmative-Action-Case Evolutionist Fraudster Pothead Alinskyite Taxaholic Spendthrift Job-Killer Puppetmaster Illegal-Alien Teleprompter-Addict Hip-Hop-Barbecuer Stutterer Non-Tipper Binder-Clipper Pizza-Cheese-Eater Face-Blocker Malware-Propagator Greenie-Weenie Grey-Poupon-Supremacist Long-Legged Mackdaddy!

Wasteland: sprawl15: meat0918: ginandbacon: BUT, Republicans are way more enthusiastic about 2012:

How?

Are they gearing up to take out RINOs like Boehner, or is that general sentiment?

I could see them being very excited right now imagining their candidate (be it Santorum, Perry, Romney, Bachmann, etc.) winning. I want to see that number after the convention bruises some egos.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it'll turn out; a whole lot of people glad that their idiotic candidate has a chance this year, and then a whole bunch of rage when a different idiotic candidate gets chosen to lose against Obama.


On a semi-related note: apparently Freeperville just finished a purge. Most of the known Romney supporters have gotten the boot over at FR, and a few are clamoring for the PAULines to be the next ones up against the wall.

Per the Freeper Madness site, apparently the same thing happened with the Giulliani supporters last time around.

/JokerPopcorn.gif

So who are they supporting?

/Is that buttered?