Zero lactose intolerance

Well, actually you do and for good reason. The next thing you know she starts a f**king revolution and wants to occupy the play area.

Bernie Mac, you left us too soon.

Sounds like a job for Mr. Robitussin.

Eat milk?

They still have nap time in some kindergartens?

I remember getting in trouble for not taking a nap when I was supposed to, although I was not suspended for it. I guess I would have had to have been a serial non-napper to warrant suspension. I also remember getting milk that was rancid one time. Ick.

#Occupykindergarten
Not far from the truth.

/Just took our 4-year-old and her younger brother out of a kid-storage day care. She had fallen in with a group of bully girls. The teacher's aid said that there are mean girls wherever she goes and she would just have to learn to deal with them.
//Uh, no. It's the school culture that allows such things.
///Teacher's aid has been replaced so she "can spend more time with her family."
////Exhausted, angry, warehoused children are no fun.
//Glad we saw the light.

chookbillion: I remember getting in trouble for not taking a nap when I was supposed to, although I was not suspended for it. I guess I would have had to have been a serial non-napper to warrant suspension. I also remember getting milk that was rancid one time. Ick.

I was routinely spanked for not taking a nap in kindergarten (it was run by a Baptist church, circa 1981). I don't know why they thought constant butt hurt would equal sleep, but it didn't work.

I'd refuse to eat milk too. That's just nasty.

However, I adore naps.

"We all would like to see the suspension numbers come down and want to dig in to the data where we see big disparities in race and ethnicity," said schools chancellor Dennis Walcott. "We also want to make sure that we are trying mediation and counseling where possible before suspending students."


Couldn't possibly be thta the kids reflect the racial/crime breakdown of the city, could it?

My kid is in preschool.. ( year before kindergarten) and extremely active......they try to force him to be a drone.. he refuses... has had to sit in the corner 18 times and was sent home once and asked not to come in one day.

I tell the teachers that its PRESCHOOL... the only thing they should be teaching is the love of school...

kvinesknows: My kid is in preschool.. ( year before kindergarten) and extremely active......they try to force him to be a drone.. he refuses... has had to sit in the corner 18 times and was sent home once and asked not to come in one day.

I tell the teachers that its PRESCHOOL... the only thing they should be teaching is the love of school...

Precisely, exactly, THIS.

At nap time I used to just lay there and stare at the ceiling. But now I want milk and cookies!!

groppet: At nap time I used to just lay there and stare at the ceiling. But now I want milk and cookies!!

"It's troubling, because a lot of these kids are being suspended for behaviors that could be dealt with in a more constructive fashion," said Kim Sweet, executive director of Advocates for Children. "We think suspension is very much a last resort because it removes a child from the classroom and it doesn't teach them appropriate behavior."

Funny...you cut the number of teachers, their resources and suddenly they have the gall to say they lack the time and ability to pay Very Special Attention to the little snowflake whose parents couldn't have the backbone to teach the kids to sit down, shut up and obey when it's time to sit down, shut up and obey.

liam76: "We all would like to see the suspension numbers come down and want to dig in to the data where we see big disparities in race and ethnicity," said schools chancellor Dennis Walcott. "We also want to make sure that we are trying mediation and counseling where possible before suspending students."


Couldn't possibly be thta the kids reflect the racial/crime breakdown of the city, could it?

Seeing as how we don't know what they're being suspended for, your logic is suspect.

Skarekrough: "It's troubling, because a lot of these kids are being suspended for behaviors that could be dealt with in a more constructive fashion," said Kim Sweet, executive director of Advocates for Children. "We think suspension is very much a last resort because it removes a child from the classroom and it doesn't teach them appropriate behavior."

Funny...you cut the number of teachers, their resources and suddenly they have the gall to say they lack the time and ability to pay Very Special Attention to the little snowflake whose parents couldn't have the backbone to teach the kids to sit down, shut up and obey when it's time to sit down, shut up and obey.

Dude. The kid is 5-7 years of age. I have yet to meet a kid who will "shut up and obey," without heavy medication.

They're little kids. To expect them to behave like adults is setting yourself up for a lot of stress, anger, and disappointment.

kvinesknows: My kid is in preschool.. ( year before kindergarten) and extremely active......they try to force him to be a drone.. he refuses... has had to sit in the corner 18 times and was sent home once and asked not to come in one day.

I tell the teachers that its PRESCHOOL... the only thing they should be teaching is the love of school...

Bullshiat. Preschool is a child's introduction into society, probably the first time they are expected to conduct themselves without a parent or direct caregiver present. A teacher's job is to teach. When will people get it through their thick skulls that teachers ARE NOT BABYSITTERS OR PARENTS??? When your child enters school, they should be raised well enough that they can control themselves. If they are not well-behaved enough, then they consume excessive resources and reduce the benefit for the rest of the class.

It's nice that your little World B. Free is a "nature child" and is encouraged to "express themselves" and "celebrate their beingness" but your shiatty parenting and your child's resulting inappropriate societal behavior is going to cause them problems in the long run, is an unnecessary drain on resources, and is preventing my well behaved, disciplined child from getting an education. I do not advocate turning children into robots, but for fark's sake, get your head out of your ass and recognize that effective participation in our society means there are times you need to confirm for the greater good, and raise your children accordingly. Assholes.

Priapetic: get your head out of your ass and recognize that effective participation in our society means there are times you need to confirm for the greater good, and raise your children accordingly.

Wait a minute, scratch that. Keep doing what you're doing in raising your child. My child's going to need someone to dig his ditches and serve him fries.

thamike: Seeing as how we don't know what they're being suspended for, your logic is suspect.

Bab parents make for bad children. Sometime common sense trumps logic. Although I suppose they should throw a couple dozen grand at a study. I hear NY has tons of extra cash laying around.

It probably also has a little to do with schools getting sued everytime little Johnny is given a time out.

It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Some children are simply not ready to enter public school at five years old. Some are, yes, but plenty aren't. And this has nothing to do with IQ or future success. Kids mature at different rates.

Give your little Can't-sit-still an extra year of grow up time, and you will likely see an entirely different child start school next fall.

In the meantime, my husband can't get a 4th grader who refuses to do any of his school work, constantly picks fights with the other kids, tells my husband to go fark himself every day, and last week whipped it out and pissed on a stack of math books out of his room much less out of his school. You'd think the indecent exposure would have gotten him classified as a sex offender or something, but no he's still there making all our lives miserable.

Priapetic: kvinesknows: My kid is in preschool.. ( year before kindergarten) and extremely active......they try to force him to be a drone.. he refuses... has had to sit in the corner 18 times and was sent home once and asked not to come in one day.

I tell the teachers that its PRESCHOOL... the only thing they should be teaching is the love of school...

Bullshiat. Preschool is a child's introduction into society, probably the first time they are expected to conduct themselves without a parent or direct caregiver present. A teacher's job is to teach. When will people get it through their thick skulls that teachers ARE NOT BABYSITTERS OR PARENTS??? When your child enters school, they should be raised well enough that they can control themselves. If they are not well-behaved enough, then they consume excessive resources and reduce the benefit for the rest of the class.

It's nice that your little World B. Free is a "nature child" and is encouraged to "express themselves" and "celebrate their beingness" but your shiatty parenting and your child's resulting inappropriate societal behavior is going to cause them problems in the long run, is an unnecessary drain on resources, and is preventing my well behaved, disciplined child from getting an education. I do not advocate turning children into robots, but for fark's sake, get your head out of your ass and recognize that effective participation in our society means there are times you need to confirm for the greater good, and raise your children accordingly. Assholes.

Learning to love school does not preclude socialization or learning manners or how to treat others well or any other school function.

/Know how I can tell you're an authoritarian arsehole?
//Your child will learn to follow orders, mine will learn to solve problems.
///Exhausted and angry kids are the product of exhausted and angry adults.

They let her off easy - she could have been charged with resisting a rest.

bootymama: In the meantime, my husband can't get a 4th grader who refuses to do any of his school work, constantly picks fights with the other kids, tells my husband to go fark himself every day, and last week whipped it out and pissed on a stack of math books out of his room much less out of his school. You'd think the indecent exposure would have gotten him classified as a sex offender or something, but no he's still there making all our lives miserable.

The kid's future is written. Give it time.

shortymac: It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Bwhahahahahahahahaha! You think Montessori is any better. It might have been at one point, but my first hand impression of the Montessori system is a bunch of above average kids with parents who think their snowflakes are geniuses. Any kid that is a true genius or has a real disability, like being unable to recognize social cues, breaks their system.

It is supposed to be adaptable, but the teachers are incompetent, otherwise why would they be teachers?

Good lord, this thread is a perfect storm.

HotIgneous Intruder: Learning to love school does not preclude socialization or learning manners or how to treat others well or any other school function.

/Know how I can tell you're an authoritarian arsehole?
//Your child will learn to follow orders, mine will learn to solve problems.
///Exhausted and angry kids are the product of exhausted and angry adults.


Heh, you know how I know you know nothing about me? My son's one of the happiest kids you'll ever meet. My wife and I are damn lucky he started out well tempered, but we've built on that foundation with high levels of positive interaction. But you can be damn sure when we send him to preschool, he will be ready for it. If he's "active" and won't behave, he's not going to school.

We feel we owe it to the other parents that I make sure our child will not disrupt their child's educational experience. And if parents are unwilling to do the same, then schools (like the ones in the article) should have a mechanism to remove disruptive influences and should use it where appropriate. If you're not on board with that idea, you're an asshole. There is nothing that says you can't both love school AND be well socialized - I never said that. But the idea that ALL you need is to love school is flat out wrong.

shortymac: It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Yeah. Preschools that cost as much as a year at college.
Montessori is based on a methodology wherein Maria Montessori took some street urchins and turned them from animal children into obedient "workers." Montessori classrooms I've seen are creepily quiet places, with kids doing their "work" at different stations in the room. It's a great system if you want to create productive factory workers in turn-of-the-century Italy. Also, creative kids might not thrive there, as one of our friends' kids is not. Plus, it costs an arm and a leg.

/Looked into Montessori for our kids.
//Not our cup of tea.
///YMMV

X-Geek: They let her off easy - she could have been charged with resisting a rest.

Priapetic: HotIgneous Intruder: Learning to love school does not preclude socialization or learning manners or how to treat others well or any other school function.

/Know how I can tell you're an authoritarian arsehole?
//Your child will learn to follow orders, mine will learn to solve problems.
///Exhausted and angry kids are the product of exhausted and angry adults.


Heh, you know how I know you know nothing about me? My son's one of the happiest kids you'll ever meet. My wife and I are damn lucky he started out well tempered, ...


Otherwise you'd have beaten him until his morale improved, right?
Yep.

/I know your kind, just by the way you use language.
//How do you know when people are smarter than you?
///Is that possible, to know such things? How do you know?

Sarah Palin's Conscience: Skarekrough: "It's troubling, because a lot of these kids are being suspended for behaviors that could be dealt with in a more constructive fashion," said Kim Sweet, executive director of Advocates for Children. "We think suspension is very much a last resort because it removes a child from the classroom and it doesn't teach them appropriate behavior."

Funny...you cut the number of teachers, their resources and suddenly they have the gall to say they lack the time and ability to pay Very Special Attention to the little snowflake whose parents couldn't have the backbone to teach the kids to sit down, shut up and obey when it's time to sit down, shut up and obey.

Dude. The kid is 5-7 years of age. I have yet to meet a kid who will "shut up and obey," without heavy medication.

They're little kids. To expect them to behave like adults is setting yourself up for a lot of stress, anger, and disappointment.

And ... THIS. They are children, not little robots.

/Seems like people who spend any time at all with kids understand this.
//Full-time say-home dad to two of them.

Your reading comprehension needs some work there Sparky, and certainly indicates you're a little less bright than you think you are. Nice false implication there - have you stopped beating your wife yet? I know your kind too - smarmy, elitest, more clever than intelligent. Probably a big bellyful of hate for how unfair the world's been to you.

How about sticking to the thread and the discussion rather than just attacking me directly? Oh, that's right, your argument's weak, personal attack is all you've got.

HotIgneous Intruder: shortymac: It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Yeah. Preschools that cost as much as a year at college.
Montessori is based on a methodology wherein Maria Montessori took some street urchins and turned them from animal children into obedient "workers." Montessori classrooms I've seen are creepily quiet places, with kids doing their "work" at different stations in the room. It's a great system if you want to create productive factory workers in turn-of-the-century Italy. Also, creative kids might not thrive there, as one of our friends' kids is not. Plus, it costs an arm and a leg.

/Looked into Montessori for our kids.
//Not our cup of tea.
///YMMV

Also, kids who start in a Montessori-style setting have a hell of a time transitioning to a traditional classroom. So unless you are committing to K-12 at that price, your child will struggle.

And, as some farker upthread pointed out, Montessoria are okay for typical kids, but they fail for kids at either end of the curve, and for smart kids with learning disabilities.

HotIgneous Intruder: shortymac: It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Yeah. Preschools that cost as much as a year at college.
Montessori is based on a methodology wherein Maria Montessori took some street urchins and turned them from animal children into obedient "workers." Montessori classrooms I've seen are creepily quiet places, with kids doing their "work" at different stations in the room. It's a great system if you want to create productive factory workers in turn-of-the-century Italy. Also, creative kids might not thrive there, as one of our friends' kids is not. Plus, it costs an arm and a leg.

/Looked into Montessori for our kids.
//Not our cup of tea.
///YMMV

No idea how it was founded, but you are dead wrong about what it teaches.


Montessori education is characterized by an emphasis on independence, freedom within limits, and respect for a child's natural psychological development, as well as technological advancements in society. Although a range of practices exists under the name "Montessori", the Association Montessori Internationale (AMI) and the American Montessori Society (AMS) cite these elements as essential:[2][3]

Mixed age classrooms, with classrooms for children aged 2½ or 3 to 6 years old by far the most common
Student choice of activity from within a prescribed range of options
Uninterrupted blocks of work time
A Constructivist or "discovery" model, where students learn concepts from working with materials, rather than by direct instruction Specialized educational materials developed by Montessori and her collaborators

Yeah, it is from wiki, but why bother with a more in depth reference whn you are that farr off base.

Priapetic: How about sticking to the thread and the discussion rather than just attacking me directly? Oh, that's right, your argument's weak, personal attack is all you've got.

Priapetic (op in this thread): It's nice that your little World B. Free is a "nature child" and is encouraged to "express themselves" and "celebrate their beingness" but your shiatty parenting and your child's resulting inappropriate societal behavior is going to cause them problems in the long run, is an unnecessary drain on resources, and is preventing my well behaved, disciplined child from getting an education. I do not advocate turning children into robots, but for fark's sake, get your head out of your ass and recognize that effective participation in our society means there are times you need to confirm for the greater good, and raise your children accordingly. Assholes

I didn't take naps at nap time either. I can't sleep during the day unless I'm really sick. So my pre-school & kindergarten teachers just let me read a book while everyone else took a nap.

Priapetic: Your reading comprehension needs some work there Sparky, and certainly indicates you're a little less bright than you think you are. Nice false implication there - have you stopped beating your wife yet? I know your kind too - smarmy, elitest, more clever than intelligent. Probably a big bellyful of hate for how unfair the world's been to you.

How about sticking to the thread and the discussion rather than just attacking me directly? Oh, that's right, your argument's weak, personal attack is all you've got.

Say hello to my little ignore list.
Thanks for exposing yourself, "sparky."

Ignore list, poof.

big pig peaches: thamike: Seeing as how we don't know what they're being suspended for, your logic is suspect.

Bab parents make for bad children. Sometime common sense trumps logic. Although I suppose they should throw a couple dozen grand at a study. I hear NY has tons of extra cash laying around.

It probably also has a little to do with schools getting sued everytime little Johnny is given a time out.

What do you think a suspension is? How do we know how "bad" these little kids are? How do we know how "bad" the parents are. These people have to work for a living. It's not as if they can just take three days off because their kid's kindergarten teacher uses suspensions instead of "sit in the corner" or "go to the principal's office." And what couple of dozen grand? The superintendents need to communicate with the admin and the admin need to communicate with the teachers. Nobody's asking for an overfunded scholarly journal here. Now, to be clear, am I to suppose that this common sense you speak of is meant to back-up liam's conjecture about minorities? He went instantly to crime rates as opposed to, say, local demographics, which would have made a lot more common sense as far as conjecture goes.

HotIgneous Intruder: Priapetic: Your reading comprehension needs some work there Sparky, and certainly indicates you're a little less bright than you think you are. Nice false implication there - have you stopped beating your wife yet? I know your kind too - smarmy, elitest, more clever than intelligent. Probably a big bellyful of hate for how unfair the world's been to you.

How about sticking to the thread and the discussion rather than just attacking me directly? Oh, that's right, your argument's weak, personal attack is all you've got.

Say hello to my little ignore list.
Thanks for exposing yourself, "sparky."

Ignore list, poof.

Does that mean you won't see or respond to my posts? Cool. Works for me. Thanks!

thamike: These people have to work for a living. It's not as if they can just take three days off because their kid's kindergarten teacher uses suspensions instead of "sit in the corner" or "go to the principal's office."

And that right there is the crux of the matter. Suspensions are not punishment for a five year old child (woohoo! Free day off!) they are punishment for the parents.

Priapetic: someone to dig his ditches and serve him fries.

Can we please get rid of this hackneyed cliche?

liam76: HotIgneous Intruder: shortymac: It's trends like this that make me want to homeschool my future kids or pay out the butt for private Montessori.

Yeah. Preschools that cost as much as a year at college.
Montessori is based on a methodology wherein Maria Montessori took some street urchins and turned them from animal children into obedient "workers." Montessori classrooms I've seen are creepily quiet places, with kids doing their "work" at different stations in the room. It's a great system if you want to create productive factory workers in turn-of-the-century Italy. Also, creative kids might not thrive there, as one of our friends' kids is not. Plus, it costs an arm and a leg.

/Looked into Montessori for our kids.
//Not our cup of tea.
///YMMV

No idea how it was founded, but you are dead wrong about what it teaches.


Montessori education is characterized by an emphasis on independence, freedom within limits, and respect for a child's natural psychological development, as well as technological advancements in society. Although a range of practices exists under the name "Montessori", the Association Montessori Internationale (AMI) and the American Montessori Society (AMS) cite these elements as essential:[2][3]

Mixed age classrooms, with classrooms for children aged 2½ or 3 to 6 years old by far the most common
Student choice of activity from within a prescribed range of options
Uninterrupted blocks of work time
A Constructivist or "discovery" model, where students learn concepts from working with materials, rather than by direct instruction Specialized educational materials developed by Montessori and her collaborators

Yeah, it is from wiki, but why bother with a more in depth reference whn you are that farr off base.

Fair enough. Visited the school, saw the classrooms and the children working in them. It wasn't our cup of tea. Our friend's daughter, a great, bright, cheerful, creative kid, is attending that school (that we passed on for our kids) and has suddenly developed a profound shyness to the point of not even talking during classes. She gets scolded for trying to interact with the other children, who are "on task" doing "their work." And this kid was an inquisitive, busy, creative creature before attending this school. Perhaps they're doing it wrong?

/YMMV = Your mileage may vary.
//Like I said, it wasn't for us. It may be fine for others.

X-Geek: They let her off easy - she could have been charged with resisting a rest.

That was the best groaner I will hear all day. Bravo!