Headline sounds like it's making a joke.

It isn't.

chixdiggit: Headline sounds like it's making a joke.

It isn't.

Is it bad that I laughed anyway?

What Kardashian Meltdown?

My cognitive learning disorder has prevented me from comprehending and enjoying Subby's concisely written, syntactically and grammatically correct headline.

OR...

Subby fails!

/Either works.

chixdiggit: Headline sounds like it's making a joke.

It isn't.

Wow. Welcome to Fark!

30 years would actually be a pretty quick response to this, if they can pull it off.

I'm thinking probably more like 60.

grocery shopping in Tokyo there is a nightmare if you don't know Japanese geography. Even if you do, the label might not be completely honest and forthcoming about the locations their ingredients are from. Most calls I saw to support Fukushima seemed token in gesture, like a restaurant might have its blowdryers turned off, or power to the toilet seat off, with a little sign about how they care, while everything else carries on as normal.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/nn20111102x1.html

This article is a bit more revealing/interesting.

I hope those crazy kids can work things out.

Are the underwear machines OK?

simplicimus:
Add in the rods, more like 50,000 years.

By that logic, any house with stone or brick construction can never be truly demolished.

Both fuel and control rods can pretty easily be recycled back into other power plants. The difficulty is the "digging them out" bit and the "decontamination of the surrounding area" bit, thus the 10 years.

Why is this a surprise? It took 15 years to clean up TMI. This is that times 3, plus a contamination mess.

So far, the plan seems to be:

* Enclose the reactor buildings (#1 is already enclosed).
* Clean up the area contamination (underway?)
* Achieve cold shutdown (likely this January, as planned)

And then, eventually, open the containments and remove the fuel.

I'm guessing it'll be 5 - 10 years until they open a containment, though they may send in cameras/robots prior to that. Once they remove the fuel, they'll have to still dismantle and clean up a heck of a mess.

It's a large project at a large industrial facility. This stuff takes time...

Okay is there some rule now that all Fukushima articles appear on fark just as I'm having to go to bed?

That being said, I'm .. not entirely surprised. This IS Japan, they're generally very good at recovering from stuff, but those plants are probably now a crossfire of hazards. Radiation is just one. Now these buildings are probably a minor nightmare of questionable architectural strength, questionable pipe integrity, power (lighting and plug) issues, confined spaces that are potentially more hazardous... add in the fact that they seem to be working in respirators, which cripple work efficiency...

Yeah. A lot of the above hazards, you'd see in any industrial facility in similar straits. The MAIN difference here is, most industrial facilities just aren't as solidly built so they would have been completely destroyed instead (anyone remember the gas plant and fertilizer plant that went up in the earthquake and tsunami? No?). A smoking crater is a lot easier to take stock of than a biatchslapped series of buildings that carry a ton of hazards, specialized and otherwise.

And no, I'm not an apologist. This is just how it is. It's a damaged industrial facility, and it's one that can't just be wrecking balled like the rest. Makes it difficult.

/of course, I suppose one up to nuke is IDLH atmospheres aren't real common
//unlike chemical plants, I guess?
///Waterford in Louisiana has special procedures in case the neighboring chemical plants have problems

Dat ass has more power than a split atom.

What the fark is the point of the Kardashians?

Ringshadow: Okay is there some rule now that all Fukushima articles appear on fark just as I'm having to go to bed?

That being said, I'm .. not entirely surprised. This IS Japan, they're generally very good at recovering from stuff, but those plants are probably now a crossfire of hazards. Radiation is just one. Now these buildings are probably a minor nightmare of questionable architectural strength, questionable pipe integrity, power (lighting and plug) issues, confined spaces that are potentially more hazardous... add in the fact that they seem to be working in respirators, which cripple work efficiency...

Yeah. A lot of the above hazards, you'd see in any industrial facility in similar straits. The MAIN difference here is, most industrial facilities just aren't as solidly built so they would have been completely destroyed instead (anyone remember the gas plant and fertilizer plant that went up in the earthquake and tsunami? No?). A smoking crater is a lot easier to take stock of than a biatchslapped series of buildings that carry a ton of hazards, specialized and otherwise.

And no, I'm not an apologist. This is just how it is. It's a damaged industrial facility, and it's one that can't just be wrecking balled like the rest. Makes it difficult.

/of course, I suppose one up to nuke is IDLH atmospheres aren't real common
//unlike chemical plants, I guess?
///Waterford in Louisiana has special procedures in case the neighboring chemical plants have problems

And that procedure would be "place head between legs, kiss ass goodbye"?

lacrossestar83: What the fark is the point of the Kardashians?

Hint: It begins with 'A' and ends with an 'S'

See above for answer

Too many elderly in Japan draining the pension funds?

Not for long!

Cyno01: lacrossestar83: What the fark is the point of the Kardashians?

In simplest terms, theyre an allegory for the nazis. The Bajorans are the Jews then obviously. Federation allies, Klingons Russians, Domonion Japan etc.

Finally, something about those chicks I can understand.

My God, what an absolute mess.

Please respect the Kardashians in their time of personal grief in dealing with the divorce....by watching their show, paying utmost attention to everything they do

Jim_Callahan: simplicimus:
Add in the rods, more like 50,000 years.

By that logic, any house with stone or brick construction can never be truly demolished.

Both fuel and control rods can pretty easily be recycled back into other power plants. The difficulty is the "digging them out" bit and the "decontamination of the surrounding area" bit, thus the 10 years.

Can they? It'd be nice, but I'm pretty sure those are precisely-machined components...and didn't a lot of them melt through their cladding?

Prolly cheaper to encase them than try to re-work them, if so.

PlatinumDragon: And that procedure would be "place head between legs, kiss ass goodbye"?

Apparently they have specialized ventilation that runs on stored air tanks, so if the chemical plants leak the control room will NOT take air from the surrounding area. Also, SCBAs. Everywhere.

Of course, this is Waterford, which merrily ran on diesels for over twenty days after Katrina, making it the US record holder for that. And ran a circus tent city for power line crews during the cleanup.

Riche: 30 years? Ugh. What a horrible reactor design. Even worse, these aging dinosaurs are freaking all over the place with no plans to replace them with the FAR better and safer modern ones.

Dude. They're, like, Mark One BWRs. First gen or some crap, I'm not looking it up right now. They were about to be shut down due to age. It was farked timing.

There is going to be a series of far worse accidents in the U.S. with this reactor model as time goes on and we keep pushing these decrepit beasts further and further past their design lives. The bad experience is going to kill nuclear power (both good and bad plant designs) right when we need it the most.

Well, speaking as an outage worker, that's just crap.

First of all, this "accident" was brought on by a natural disaster. Frankly, if most of the USA gets hit by a 9.0 earthquake the local nuclear plant is the LEAST of our worries, and most of the USA plants are already working on modifications for if they get put in similar situations (within reason, there isn't exactly an ocean near Wolf Creek in Kansas, for example).

Second of all, not every plant is being allowed to go longer. Some are only getting a few more years, some are getting more. The license extension is rigorous and in fact takes years. Does shiat break? Yup. Shiat breaks in every power industry. It gets fixed. We're industrial man, welcome to life.

As for killing it, this is a recent photo from Vogtle.

Know what that is? Construction. For units 3 and 4.

/been polling people, most people think it's 75 percent a go
//going to bed now

Kardashians? They messing with the Trade Federation again?

chixdiggit: Headline sounds like it's making a joke.

It isn't.

How could it be? The Kardashians are already born!

30 years?



Not impressed.

...the fark? How can news be so different? Yesterday's and today's news had it that they are right back at the uncontrolled meltdown and are trying to stabilize it with boric acid.

Rising radiation levels and the release of xenon-133 gas and xenon-135 gas.

Move all the people of Japan to America. back-fill Japan with the kardashians, everyone ever having to-do with a reality show / jerry springer / jersey shore tv, real hardcore street gangs and ultra-violent lifer prison nasties. It's a start toward a better tomorrow.

lucksi: ...the fark? How can news be so different? Yesterday's and today's news had it that they are right back at the uncontrolled meltdown and are trying to stabilize it with boric acid.

Rising radiation levels and the release of xenon-133 gas and xenon-135 gas.

According to the NISA:

The safety agency says it is unlikely that nuclear fuel has begun melting again, as the density of xenon is low and there has been no change in the reactor's temperatures.

KrispyKritter: Move all the people of Japan to America.

No thanks.

I'll take my odds of dying in a nuclear meltdown over life in suburbia, thanks.

Jesus Christ it's a lion! Get in the car!: [www.tshirtbordello.com image 600x450]

Their vagina's are on their forheads. Now I know where that term skull farking comes from.

Ringshadow: That being said, I'm .. not entirely surprised.

Heh, Fark's self proclaimed nuclear expert & apologist is at it again. Last I remember, you were saying that at most, people would be moving back around the plant within a year - and that you could be quoted on that. After the explosions, you were saying that a containment breach was all but impossible. And before that, you were saying how it was all no big deal, and everything was totally safe. Meanwhile, as others have pointed out, nuclear reaction still going on in at least one of the reactors, even though it's been over 6 months, and this shiat (including the massive exclusion zone) will go on for decades. Link (new window)

The sad thing is, I have a feeling that you are well trained in the industry and truly believed everything was going to be alright. The industry as a whole is far too over-confident and works furiously to downplay any perceived (and real) danger involved to the public, even as the truth says otherwise. That's why people shouldn't trust you guys.

After so long since the tsunami and power loss, the chance that they could have a meltdown now is vanishingly remote. The reactors have lots of decay byproducts in them now, they have no doubt lost geometric integrity (which keeps a reaction going properly), and the reaction has been cooling off for months now, even without full core immersion. Could it still release radioactivity into the atmosphere? Yes. Can the spent fuel rod pools cause trouble if they boil away? Absolutely. Will this be a massive, complicated and expensive mess to clean up? Without a doubt. They may decide the best thing to do is to bury it completely, or just wait until the technology catches up to the need by using completely remotely controlled equipment to dismantle and dispose of the radiated structures.

/that's why it will take 30 years
//too many issues to deal with simultaneously

Cyno01: lacrossestar83: What the fark is the point of the Kardashians?

In simplest terms, theyre an allegory for the nazis. The Bajorans are the Jews then obviously. Federation allies, Klingons Russians, Domonion Japan etc.

Never laughed so hard on fark... thank you.... just thank you

She has nicer cooling towers.

Which Kardashian? Dukat? Garak? Madred?

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS

KrispyKritter: Move all the people of Japan to America. back-fill Japan with the kardashians, everyone ever having to-do with a reality show / jerry springer / jersey shore tv, real hardcore street gangs and ultra-violent lifer prison nasties. It's a start toward a better tomorrow.

And run the risk of people like that becoming mutants from the radiation?!

parahaps: Which Kardashian? Dukat? Garak? Madred?

THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS

You know, I went back and watched that episode and found that there actually were 5 lights. The main overhead in the center of the room.

Duh.

Now I can go back to trying to figure out who is on first, what's on second.

lacrossestar83: What the fark is the point of the Kardashians?

Thank you... Am i theonly one who thinks those girls are ugly. kim needs piolot cars front and back WIDE LOAD FOLLOWS~`

simplicimus: Is Indian point still operating?

No idea. I haven't been to Indian Point at all. As far as I know its currently operating, you're free to google it yourself about the relicensing.