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2011-11-02 05:22:58 AM
Nah. They'll just do what Microsoft did with their patent lawsuits, and collect $5 or $10 per Android device sold.
 
2011-11-02 06:14:47 AM
bingethinker: Nah. They'll just do what Microsoft did with their patent lawsuits, and collect $5 or $10 per Android device sold.

I think that depends on whether or not Tim Cook shares Steve Jobs' view. Jobs wanted android shut down.
 
2011-11-02 09:16:58 AM
Fail in Human Form: bingethinker: Nah. They'll just do what Microsoft did with their patent lawsuits, and collect $5 or $10 per Android device sold.

I think that depends on whether or not Tim Cook shares Steve Jobs' view. Jobs wanted android shut down.


It may not be that simple, anyway; we don't know what competing patents Android [now] holds. After all, that's the nature of the software patent battle at this stage. Both parties gather patents, some or all of which may be invalid, and they basically throw them at each other (as it were). The unlucky judge (or rather, his law clerk) gets to then spend months figuring out which if any elements of which if any patents are valid.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-02 09:19:25 AM
front-end signal compensation

Real invention or fancy phrase meaning debouncing?

host device may, for example, correspond to a computer such as a desktop, laptop, handheld or tablet computer. The host device interprets the touch event and thereafter performs an action based on the touch event

Is that the patented invention or a prologue to the real claims?
 
2011-11-02 09:36:34 AM
I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.
 
2011-11-02 09:38:24 AM
thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.
 
2011-11-02 09:50:53 AM
Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?
 
2011-11-02 09:58:05 AM
Barbigazi: Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?

I would think you could patent a method for detecting and processing multi-touch, but not the concept itself. Because Apple didn't invent it. ...Or the method they use.

So how much did they pay for this farcical patent again?
 
2011-11-02 11:07:40 AM
HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.


Nah. Prior art.
 
2011-11-02 11:12:54 AM
Barbigazi: Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?

Last year, IBM tried to patent a 20 minute meeting.
 
2011-11-02 11:14:55 AM
kingoomieiii: Barbigazi: Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?

I would think you could patent a method for detecting and processing multi-touch, but not the concept itself. Because Apple didn't invent it. ...Or the method they use.

So how much did they pay for this farcical patent again?


No US Government agency will want to do anything that hurts Apple and helps the competition. Obama doesn't want to hand any ammunition to the GOP right now. I expect many favorable rulings for Apple between now and the election.
 
2011-11-02 11:41:28 AM
I'm trying to take this

"host device may, for example, correspond to a computer such as a desktop, laptop, handheld or tablet computer. The host device interprets the touch event and thereafter performs an action based on the touch event"

and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

/had a difficult time understanding the language used in that article
 
2011-11-02 11:41:52 AM
cmunic8r99: HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.

Nah. Prior art.


*rimshot*

[wacky morning show music]

XD
 
2011-11-02 11:59:34 AM
gameshowhost: cmunic8r99: HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.

Nah. Prior art.

*rimshot*

[wacky morning show music]

XD


Thank you - I'll be here all day. Please tip your waitress!
 
2011-11-02 12:22:34 PM
DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.
 
2011-11-02 12:26:59 PM
tomcatadam: DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.


Yeah... except apple didn't invent that
 
2011-11-02 12:27:51 PM
ZAZ:
Is that the patented invention or a prologue to the real claims?


That's pretty much a patent. So now you know why a lot of people would rather see it and copyright laws reformed in to something at least approaching sensible.
 
2011-11-02 12:28:22 PM
redpanda2: tomcatadam: DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.

Yeah... except apple didn't invent that


And tomcatadam is incorrect in his description of the patent.
 
2011-11-02 12:29:03 PM
So either Synaptics never patented their ancient multi-touch tech, or Apple bought it off 'em.

Or the USPTO is brainless.
 
2011-11-02 12:31:33 PM
redpanda2: tomcatadam: DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.

Yeah... except apple didn't invent that


But they've got the patent. Which is all that matters and is that's required for the Nazgul of the legal department to be sent forth and pillage.
 
2011-11-02 12:31:34 PM
That's not how it works.

Google has a lot of patents now that they bought Motorola, plus their existing portfolio.

Apple sues Google for patent infringement. Google counter-sues Apple for patent infringement. They settle out of court arranging some tit for tat licensing agreements that lets them both continue to do business.

That's how these things work among the big boys. Each has its own possible infringements to pursue against the other.
 
2011-11-02 12:32:08 PM
Good to see Apple is carrying on Jobs' proud legacy of "If you can't beat 'em, sue 'em!"
 
2011-11-02 12:33:56 PM
I plan to patent waving my pinkie in the air. It'll be worth millions.
 
2011-11-02 12:35:27 PM
"host device may, for example, correspond to a computer such as a desktop, laptop, handheld or tablet computer. The host device interprets the touch event and thereafter performs an action based on the touch event"

Didn't the mouse-touchpad on laptops come way before the iPod/iTouchMyself?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-02 12:36:56 PM
mattharvest: Fail in Human Form: bingethinker: Nah. They'll just do what Microsoft did with their patent lawsuits, and collect $5 or $10 per Android device sold.

I think that depends on whether or not Tim Cook shares Steve Jobs' view. Jobs wanted android shut down.

It may not be that simple, anyway; we don't know what competing patents Android [now] holds. After all, that's the nature of the software patent battle at this stage. Both parties gather patents, some or all of which may be invalid, and they basically throw them at each other (as it were). The unlucky judge (or rather, his law clerk) gets to then spend months figuring out which if any elements of which if any patents are valid.


But the lawyers get PAID motherfarker!
 
2011-11-02 12:37:26 PM
Marcus Aurelius: I plan to patent waving my pinkie in the air. It'll be worth millions one hundred billion dollars.

FTFY
blog.stackoverflow.com
 
2011-11-02 12:39:46 PM
tomcatadam: DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.


Oh. Now I feel kind of dumb. I was thinking "phone" vs "computer". Thanks.

/sent from my android
 
2011-11-02 12:40:58 PM
I'm going to patent getting patents, and then yall farkers are in trouble.
 
2011-11-02 12:41:05 PM
scottydoesntknow: "host device may, for example, correspond to a computer such as a desktop, laptop, handheld or tablet computer. The host device interprets the touch event and thereafter performs an action based on the touch event"

Didn't the mouse-touchpad on laptops come way before the iPod/iTouchMyself?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


I don't recall those trackpads handling more than one finger touch at a time. Actually, I seem to recall a problem with the track pad not working if another part of my hand was too close.
 
2011-11-02 12:44:09 PM
kingoomieiii: Barbigazi: Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?

I would think you could patent a method for detecting and processing multi-touch, but not the concept itself. Because Apple didn't invent it. ...Or the method they use.

So how much did they pay for this farcical patent again?


I believe there is a $10,000 fee for filing patents. But there are two kinds - process patents and invention patents. One is $10k, the other is (I think) $1k, but I don't remember which is which. USPTO.gov might have better info.

// I work right near their offices
// had a big debate with my dad (works in chemical patents) over software patents the other day
 
2011-11-02 12:46:34 PM
The actual patent. (new window)

Looks like a very specific way of building a multi-touch screen and handling the data from it. I'm not familiar with how multi-touch screens are made or handled though, so I have no idea how close this is to any other company's stuff.
 
2011-11-02 12:46:58 PM
GameSprocket: I don't recall those trackpads handling more than one finger touch at a time. Actually, I seem to recall a problem with the track pad not working if another part of my hand was too close.

Many trackpads have multi-touch, gesturing, and even pinch to zoom, expand. I don't know how new this is, but my last couple of laptops have had this.
 
2011-11-02 12:47:54 PM
I thought the point of multitouch wasn't that it was a responsive touchscreen, but that you could accomplish different tasks (scrolling, selecting, etc.) via different number of fingers touching the pad and different movements.

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-02 12:49:13 PM
cmunic8r99: HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.

Nah. Prior art.


You know, evidence or not--you should really wash that sock more often.
 
2011-11-02 12:55:39 PM
mrshowrules: No US Government agency will want to do anything that hurts Apple and helps the competition. Obama doesn't want to hand any ammunition to the GOP right now. I expect many favorable rulings for Apple between now and the election.

You are aware that the Judiciary and Executive branches of the US government are separate, right? Ah, nevermind. That sentence contained big words. Sorry.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2011-11-02 12:56:09 PM
redpanda2: tomcatadam: DirkValentine: and try to understand what I do on my android that is like this?

You touch a screen on a device and something happens on a device (same or otherwise). Said device could be anything that is a computer - anything at all.

So on android, the fact that it has touch controls in any way, shape or form.

Yeah... except apple didn't invent that


So? They didn't invent computers GUIs or MP3 players either. Apple seems to be a master at patent trolling.
 
2011-11-02 12:57:53 PM
chechcal: I thought the point of multitouch wasn't that it was a responsive touchscreen, but that you could accomplish different tasks (scrolling, selecting, etc.) via different number of fingers touching the pad and different movements.

Link (new window)


The beauty of that link is it talks about so many things that would pre-date these patents and (possibly) make them invalid.
 
2011-11-02 12:59:02 PM
I hate them, but i have to admit that i do attribute that specific function to them. I certainly never saw it before the iPhone.

Good thing, i already have my Android phone in my possession.
 
2011-11-02 12:59:47 PM
PainInTheASP: cmunic8r99: HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.

Nah. Prior art.

You know, evidence or not--you should really wash that sock more often.


Why? If guys get money for sperm that sock is going to send some kids to college.
 
2011-11-02 01:02:45 PM
I wish Apple would get cancer and die already
 
2011-11-02 01:05:04 PM
bingethinker: Nah. They'll just do what Microsoft did with their patent lawsuits, and collect $5 or $10 per Android device sold.

No, Microsoft is doing it for the money... which, in this case, helps competition by the way of not kicking Android out of the market. Apple just wants to dominate the market.
 
2011-11-02 01:05:54 PM
unicron702: PainInTheASP: cmunic8r99: HeadKase: thismomentinblackhistory: I hold a similar patent as multi-touch applies to groins but I don't enforce it.

Thank goodness. I'd owe you billions.

Nah. Prior art.

You know, evidence or not--you should really wash that sock more often.

Why? If guys get money for sperm that sock is going to send some kids to college.


I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 
2011-11-02 01:09:44 PM
Broom: mrshowrules: No US Government agency will want to do anything that hurts Apple and helps the competition. Obama doesn't want to hand any ammunition to the GOP right now. I expect many favorable rulings for Apple between now and the election.

You are aware that the Judiciary and Executive branches of the US government are separate, right? Ah, nevermind. That sentence contained big words. Sorry.


You are aware that the US Patent office (see TFA) reports to the Department of Commerce, who in turn reports to the POTUS, has nothing to do with the Judiciary and that your mother is a whore?
 
2011-11-02 01:16:26 PM
Between the two patents, there are 65 specific claims. I'm sure a) many android devices have nothing to fear from these patents, and b) the few that do could easily modify their processes to route around the patents.
 
2011-11-02 01:21:45 PM
Trolltastic headline is stupid and clueless.
 
2011-11-02 01:22:45 PM
meat0918: That's not how it works.

Google has a lot of patents now that they bought Motorola, plus their existing portfolio.

Apple sues Google for patent infringement. Google counter-sues Apple for patent infringement. They settle out of court arranging some tit for tat licensing agreements that lets them both continue to do business.

That's how these things work among the big boys. Each has its own possible infringements to pursue against the other.



You missed a step. Both then crush every other player in the market with lawsuits.
 
2011-11-02 01:23:05 PM
t3knomanser: Between the two patents, there are 65 specific claims. I'm sure a) many android devices have nothing to fear from these patents, and b) the few that do could easily modify their processes to route around the patents.

Yeah, it's specific multitouch technologies, not "ALL MULTITOUCH BELONG APPLE NOW"
 
2011-11-02 01:23:35 PM
mrshowrules: kingoomieiii: Barbigazi: Is this like patenting the concept of a steering wheel?

I would think you could patent a method for detecting and processing multi-touch, but not the concept itself. Because Apple didn't invent it. ...Or the method they use.

So how much did they pay for this farcical patent again?

No US Government agency will want to do anything that hurts Apple and helps the competition. Obama doesn't want to hand any ammunition to the GOP right now. I expect many favorable rulings for Apple between now and the election.


i30.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-02 01:25:38 PM
scottydoesntknow: "host device may, for example, correspond to a computer such as a desktop, laptop, handheld or tablet computer. The host device interprets the touch event and thereafter performs an action based on the touch event"

Didn't the mouse-touchpad on laptops come way before the iPod/iTouchMyself?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]


The single touch-pad did but not multi-touch
 
2011-11-02 01:34:01 PM
Goodbye, finicky, broken multitouch.

I won't miss it, as I've started interacting with my Droid 2 by throwing it. It's a whole new input paradigm!
 
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