I severely doubt you can determine individuals, but certain demographics do have a higher statistical probability of being criminals. It's not nice, but it's fact. But even then, the statistic has to only be a few percent per each one. I'm not sure if they are fully cumulative or not.

Brits can be funny at times

Nah, that fruit is hanging too low.

As in there's a greater chance that a 3 year old with no father at home and a poor mother who has an extensive criminal record, including violent gang related offenses, has a higher chance of becoming a pos?

/DNRTFA.
//Guessing TFA is either blindingly obvious or complete hogwash.
///Lots of kids in my neighborhood are doomed before they even leave the womb, as their parents probably were as well.

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Funny, I thought this thread was done in one.

Gangs are made up of different generations.

Parents raise children to be part of their gang. What kind of kid do you think you will end up with given a. any possible genetic tendencies towards violence (and there are people who are born sick, violent and depraved) and b. an environment of guns, violence, crime, poverty, etc.?

Look at the rise of MS13. 50000 plus members since its creation in the 1980s. And the next generation will push that number to 6 figures due to children being inducted before their parents' generation dies off and to recruiting of new members by offspring.

People need to remember these parents are proud of themselves and their children. They want their kids to be violent. They think they are good parents by raising their kids to be gang members.

Now the Ted Bundy/Green River Killer/BTK types? They tend not to have children so they don't pass either their genetics or their culture on. Which is a good thing.

Krymson Tyde: Nah, that fruit is hanging too low.

That can be fixed, if your underwear is tight enough.

sobernutz: TheShavingofOccam123: Gangs are made up of different generations.

Parents raise children to be part of their gang. What kind of kid do you think you will end up with given a. any possible genetic tendencies towards violence (and there are people who are born sick, violent and depraved) and b. an environment of guns, violence, crime, poverty, etc.?

Look at the rise of MS13. 50000 plus members since its creation in the 1980s. And the next generation will push that number to 6 figures due to children being inducted before their parents' generation dies off and to recruiting of new members by offspring.

People need to remember these parents are proud of themselves and their children. They want their kids to be violent. They think they are good parents by raising their kids to be gang members.

Now the Ted Bundy/Green River Killer/BTK types? They tend not to have children so they don't pass either their genetics or their culture on. Which is a good thing.

Not looking to troll or anything, matter of fact I am drunk right now......
But what do you see as a solution? Religion? Better opportunity out in the workplace?

Foster care for the kids, RICO for the parents. If we keep putting kids back into gang families, we're just going to get more gang members. If we let gangs keep their assets, they're going to have more money to commit more crime.

Plus, we have to root out the corruption that lets these gangs exist at all. You can own cops and judges and politicians. If you don't have the money to buy them, you can't control them as easily.

JackalRabbit: Gyrfalcon: Krymson Tyde: Nah, that fruit is hanging too low.

That can be fixed, if your underwear is tight enough.

or a hacksaw

Just_a_Bear: yay, precrime here we come!

TheShavingofOccam123: Gangs are made up of different generations.

Parents raise children to be part of their gang. What kind of kid do you think you will end up with given a. any possible genetic tendencies towards violence (and there are people who are born sick, violent and depraved) and b. an environment of guns, violence, crime, poverty, etc.?

Look at the rise of MS13. 50000 plus members since its creation in the 1980s. And the next generation will push that number to 6 figures due to children being inducted before their parents' generation dies off and to recruiting of new members by offspring.

People need to remember these parents are proud of themselves and their children. They want their kids to be violent. They think they are good parents by raising their kids to be gang members.

Now the Ted Bundy/Green River Killer/BTK types? They tend not to have children so they don't pass either their genetics or their culture on. Which is a good thing.

MS-13 is a lot more complex even than that. there's a good documentary on MSNBC, I believe, or sometimes on Spike. MS got its start when survivors of the Salvadoran civil war (that one Reagan was so proud of us supporting) fled north and settled here. The MS founders were almost unsalvageable from the start, because they were kids who'd grown up either in the death squads or having survived them; by the time they got here, killing and death were all they'd ever known.

Once they hit L.A., Salvadorans were the bottom of the bucket even for immigrants--they're kind of the n*ggers of Central America to use a really crude metaphor. So the Salvadoran kids had to form a gang to even survive on the streets, faced with the 18th Street gangs, the Asian crews in Long Beach, and the other Mexican gangs. But since they were already so vicious, they didn't mind ramping up the violence and MS was approached by La Eme, not the other way around. they were so mean, even the Mexican Mafia didn't want to tangle with them.

Then, just to make it worse, when the LAPD and ICE developed their policy of deporting gang members once their prison terms were over, these gangbangers went BACK to El Salvador, where they were richer than their countrymen, admired for being American gangsters, and primed to take over in a country where there wasn't much of a government to speak of, and certainly not one that could handle these guys. MS runs or ran a lot of the jails in El Salvador, and nobody even knows who the kingpins and shotcallers are down there.

So it's not just a question of these guys thinking they're being good parents or whatever. They came out of a 50-year background of war and violence and now it's just business as usual for them. Somebody said taking the kids away and RICOing the gangs would be a start--except foster kids are usually going to go home (you'd have to rework the entire foster care system) and a lot of the money is now in El Salvador. I'm not sure there is anything that can be done currently, short of wholesale execution.