Elisha is a dude's name?

What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

That said, good plea deal. This kid isn't dangerous, and he's never going to get to work around teenage girls again. There's no need to throw him in jail, since his life is already immeasurably farked up due to his felony conviction.
Should still be a negligent supervision and hiring suit against the school, though. Because that kind of idiocy needs a good slap.

Exception Collection: The-Brain: Elisha is a dude's name?

Yes, it's a Biblical one actually. Elisha was Elijah's successor as a prophet.

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Exception Collection: The-Brain: Elisha is a dude's name?

Yes, it's a Biblical one actually. Elisha was Elijah's successor as a prophet.

Oh, right, the guy who got god to sic bears on the kids who made fun of him for being bald. Sounds like a swell guy.

I'll just continue praying to this Elisha, thankyouverymuch.

Being that it was in Chino Valley, I'm surprised the people involved weren't cousins.

Go here (clickety pops) for a pic of the offender and comments complete with responses from his father.

We've been had!

Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

That said, good plea deal. This kid isn't dangerous, and he's never going to get to work around teenage girls again. There's no need to throw him in jail, since his life is already immeasurably farked up due to his felony conviction.
Should still be a negligent supervision and hiring suit against the school, though. Because that kind of idiocy needs a good slap.

And the really sad thing is the fact that the "minor" was probably the one initiating the flirting. The whole "gray area" with ages 12-21 kinda pisses me off in this country.

12 -17 -- violent murder -- You are an adult
17 under -- Sex with 18-21 -- You are a abused kid
12-17 -- Smoke a cig? You are a minor
12-20 -- Drink a beer? Yep, minor.
18-20 -- Kill people in foreign countries? You are an adult.
16-21 -- Want decent insurance prices? Nope you are just a kid.
16-21 -- Want to work as a commercial driver? Nope, just a kid.

I am sure there are many more examples. And because some 21 year old "kid" got put into a situation where responsible adults should not have put him in... he acted on his hormones and is farked over for pretty much the rest of his life unless he can convince some judge in the future to remove his felony. Good luck raising a family.. since you will never be allowed to take them anywhere or watch them do anything outside of your own home.

more headlines should include nice historical quotes. thanks subby

dayum

In the car? They don't have motels in Arizona?

Kazrath: Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

That said, good plea deal. This kid isn't dangerous, and he's never going to get to work around teenage girls again. There's no need to throw him in jail, since his life is already immeasurably farked up due to his felony conviction.
Should still be a negligent supervision and hiring suit against the school, though. Because that kind of idiocy needs a good slap.

And the really sad thing is the fact that the "minor" was probably the one initiating the flirting.

So? That's not a really sad thing at all. This guy was a coach, in position of authority. He's supposed to know the fark better, and send the girl to do another dozen laps if she's messing with him.
He's the only one at fault here. But nice try blaming the underage girl.

The whole "gray area" with ages 12-21 kinda pisses me off in this country.

12 -17 -- violent murder -- You are an adult
17 under -- Sex with 18-21 -- You are a abused kid
12-17 -- Smoke a cig? You are a minor
12-20 -- Drink a beer? Yep, minor.
18-20 -- Kill people in foreign countries? You are an adult.
16-21 -- Want decent insurance prices? Nope you are just a kid.
16-21 -- Want to work as a commercial driver? Nope, just a kid.

I am sure there are many more examples. And because some 21 year old "kid" got put into a situation where responsible adults should not have put him in... he acted on his hormones and is farked over for pretty much the rest of his life unless he can convince some judge in the future to remove his felony. Good luck raising a family.. since you will never be allowed to take them anywhere or watch them do anything outside of your own home.

He should be farked, because he seriously farked up. He shouldn't be in jail, because he's not likely to reoffend, but he also shouldn't get off scott free, because he abused a position of authority and trust and knowingly broke a law that's supposed to protect against exactly that sort of abuse of authority.
And yeah, he can still raise a family. This shouldn't be news to anyone living in America, with our current drug war culture, but it's eminently possible to raise a family with a past felony conviction.

From the comments: "He sorta looks like Wally Cleaver."

pxlboy: Kazrath: Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

That said, good plea deal. This kid isn't dangerous, and he's never going to get to work around teenage girls again. There's no need to throw him in jail, since his life is already immeasurably farked up due to his felony conviction.
Should still be a negligent supervision and hiring suit against the school, though. Because that kind of idiocy needs a good slap.

And the really sad thing is the fact that the "minor" was probably the one initiating the flirting. The whole "gray area" with ages 12-21 kinda pisses me off in this country.

12 -17 -- violent murder -- You are an adult
17 under -- Sex with 18-21 -- You are a abused kid
12-17 -- Smoke a cig? You are a minor
12-20 -- Drink a beer? Yep, minor.
18-20 -- Kill people in foreign countries? You are an adult.
16-21 -- Want decent insurance prices? Nope you are just a kid.
16-21 -- Want to work as a commercial driver? Nope, just a kid.

I am sure there are many more examples. And because some 21 year old "kid" got put into a situation where responsible adults should not have put him in... he acted on his hormones and is farked over for pretty much the rest of his life unless he can convince some judge in the future to remove his felony. Good luck raising a family.. since you will never be allowed to take them anywhere or watch them do anything outside of your own home.

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Yeah, but I hear he's kin of a douche.

Theaetetus: but he also shouldn't get off scott free, because he abused a position of authority and trust

Neither should the people in authority over him, that put him in that position.

It should be noted, Kazrath, that other in that one sentence suggesting the girl was to blame, you never mention her at all. Your last paragraph makes it seem almost as if he engaged in a victimless crime.

AcneVulgaris: Theaetetus: but he also shouldn't get off scott free, because he abused a position of authority and trust

Neither should the people in authority over him, that put him in that position.

Absolutely. As I said earlier, there should be a negligent hiring and supervision lawsuit against those idiots.

But that said, that doesn't absolve him of blame. They put him in proximity to a horny 15 year old... But no one took off his pants except him.

Soup4Bonnie: In the car? They don't have motels in Arizona?

According to the local paper, it sounds like they were parked by the side of a lake.

To be fair, it is pretty out there.

/wife and I used a blanket on the other side of the lake when we were dating

Theaetetus: Kazrath: Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

That said, good plea deal. This kid isn't dangerous, and he's never going to get to work around teenage girls again. There's no need to throw him in jail, since his life is already immeasurably farked up due to his felony conviction.
Should still be a negligent supervision and hiring suit against the school, though. Because that kind of idiocy needs a good slap.

And the really sad thing is the fact that the "minor" was probably the one initiating the flirting.

So? That's not a really sad thing at all. This guy was a coach, in position of authority. He's supposed to know the fark better, and send the girl to do another dozen laps if she's messing with him.
He's the only one at fault here. But nice try blaming the underage girl.




Approves.

"It's just so easy to blame a kid, isn't it? Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman, does NOT mean she's ready to do what a woman does! I mean, you're the grown-up here. If a kid is experimenting and says something flirtatious, you ignore it, you don't encourage it."

In Canada, the age of consent is 16, but there is a "peer group exception" as long as that person is no more than 5 years older or younger than you are, and aren't in a position of authority over you. I think in this case, Elisha is one year outside that range, and was in a position of authority. Still, the dude's 21. This is kinda iffy.

Negligent on what basis? Is a Y chromosome enough to be a propensity for abuse? Please to be enlightening us.

But could he out-consume Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel?

My claim to fame at twenty one was that I rocked my term paper after three steel reserve forties and two five-footers. 21 year olds are f'in stupid.

Seen "Fill-in-the-city" Housewives? Adults are f'in stupid too.

Everyone here is at fault.

"Adversity draws men together and produces beauty and harmony in life's relationships, just as the cold of winter produces ice-flowers on the window-panes, which vanish with the warmth."

Sullyville: In Canada, the age of consent is 16, but there is a "peer group exception" as long as that person is no more than 5 years older or younger than you are, and aren't in a position of authority over you. I think in this case, Elisha is one year outside that range, and was in a position of authority. Still, the dude's 21. This is kinda iffy.

It's the position of authority part that's the bigger issue, I think.

In terms of iffiness with regard to the age of consent - no, I doubt the kid's a pedophile. He is, however, the type of person that will knowingly abuse a position of authority to fark someone. And I think future employers should get a chance to find that out.

Schmoppo: whataboutbob1974: Go here (clickety pops) for a pic of the offender and comments complete with responses from his father.

That poor kids Dad is new to the internet. So sad.

Will consequences ever be the same?

Theaetetus: Kazrath: Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

And yeah, he can still raise a family. This shouldn't be news to anyone living in America, with our current drug war culture, but it's eminently possible to raise a family with a past felony conviction.

His kids sleepovers and slumber parties are going to be a hoot.

Free Range Deranged: Theaetetus: Kazrath: Theaetetus: What kind of idiot hires a 21-year old boy to coach high school girls' sports of any sort? We recently had this exact story in Mass., except replace "track" with "soccer".

And yeah, he can still raise a family. This shouldn't be news to anyone living in America, with our current drug war culture, but it's eminently possible to raise a family with a past felony conviction.

His kids sleepovers and slumber parties are going to be a hoot.

Yeah, and maybe they should be. Frankly, this is the sort of guy I'd be concerned about getting a little too friendly with his daughter's high school friends. It's not that he's a pedophile, but that he's the type of guy that would use a position of authority to take advantage of a naive girl. Let someone else chaperone the party.

That said, it's highly unlikely that this guy will ever reoffend. No one's going to put him in that position of authority again.

the_vegetarian_cannibal: "It's just so easy to blame a kid, isn't it? Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman, does NOT mean she's ready to do what a woman does! I mean, you're the grown-up here. If a kid is experimenting and says something flirtatious, you ignore it, you don't encourage it."

Biology says you're a woman when you start to bleed.

ITT: Uptight American prudes

Useless without pics.

Schmoppo: Elisha M. Humes, 20, a volunteer track coach at Chino Valley High School
Is a volunteer even considered a position of authority?

IMHO if she isn't on the track team then his amount of authority over her is slightly less than that of the janitor.

Theaetetus: That said, it's highly unlikely that this guy will ever reoffend. No one's going to put him in that position of authority again as long as they know about his prior conviction, which a listing in the Sex Offender Registry does a pretty good job of guaranteeing, so long as the person doing the hiring practices due diligence.

What you're basically saying then, is he's unlikely to reoffend because nobody else will LET him reoffend.

But if given the opportunity....

/glwt

ryant123: The-Brain: Elisha is a dude's name?

Hmmm. FTA: "The plea deal Humes accepted specifies probation for the aggravated assault charge with prison time for the child sex charge only if he violates the terms of probation."

Given that Humes only got probation for child sex, I suspect the "he" is a typo.

Given the offender's picture (several links of which are posted above), I'd suspect otherwise.

Authority or not, horny people will always bang other horny people, no matter what age or society says.

He's a real piss-ant.

haha, the dude himself looks 15.

The girl probably looked 21.

Seriously, this sentence in teh other linked article caught my eye:

Police say the girl was interviewed and it appears she and Humes also had prior sexual contact.

Prior. As in, they were farking BEFORE he landed this job. Take away from that what you will.

Emperorsteele: haha, the dude himself looks 15.

The girl probably looked 21.

Seriously, this sentence in teh other linked article caught my eye:

Police say the girl was interviewed and it appears she and Humes also had prior sexual contact.

Prior. As in, they were farking BEFORE he landed this job. Take away from that what you will.

I read that as "prior to the cops catching them screwing in the car." He could've been already on the job in the previous incidents as well.