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(Topless Robot) Followup While I'm sure the news that George RR Martin's Wild Cards was being as a new TV show was exciting, if you've never read the series, here are ten things you must know before diving into the saga   (toplessrobot.com) divider line 61
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2011-11-01 11:19:07 AM
1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.
 
2011-11-01 11:20:56 AM
English translation, please?
 
2011-11-01 11:25:31 AM
I've always liked the general concept of Wild Cards, but for some reason, I've never been able to actually finish any of the books. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the series.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so there's some hope.
 
2011-11-01 11:28:46 AM
This headline ams hards to reads

www.dethklok.org
 
2011-11-01 11:28:56 AM
HeartBurnKid: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so
Wild Cards will suck and/or end prematurely.
 
2011-11-01 11:29:01 AM
Oh, it's George RR Martin? So that means there are 985 characters, 983 of which die within 15 pages of meeting them.
 
2011-11-01 11:32:41 AM
What did I just read? English, please, subby. English.
 
2011-11-01 11:32:43 AM
How is headline formed
 
2011-11-01 11:34:45 AM
ENOUGH with the SUPERHERO shows already!


/such a pity
///so many good books out there that could be done...
//l/et's start with Pohl's Gateway...
 
2011-11-01 11:36:33 AM
#11 It's not very good.
 
2011-11-01 11:40:50 AM
TFA: The premise: in 1946, an experimental virus from another planet is released on Earth over Manhattan. This virus is extremely unpredictable and thus becomes known as "the Wild Card." 90% of victims die (known as "drawing the black queen"), and 90% of those survivors become hideous deformed mutants ("Jokers").

10% survive, and the vast majority of survivors are left with horrible defects? That sounds very predictable.
 
2011-11-01 11:43:52 AM
I'm halfway through the 9th book. Picked up 1->9 for free, essentially.

The first one sold me on the idea, and they've been getting progressively worse, honestly. There's little bits of good here and there through the last, but the authorship got uneven.
 
2011-11-01 11:44:56 AM
HeartBurnKid: I've always liked the general concept of Wild Cards, but for some reason, I've never been able to actually finish any of the books. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the series.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so there's some hope.


No, SciFi brought us those.

Syfy gave us extra WWE and megaphython meets crodadilus-rex or some such crap.
 
2011-11-01 11:47:41 AM
Quasar: Oh, it's George RR Martin? So that means there are 985 characters, 983 of which die within 15 pages of meeting them.

But at least they get to eat fabulous, highly detailed, meals that take several pages to describe before they get the axe.
 
2011-11-01 11:50:12 AM
Over the summer I read Fort Freak on a whim. Never heard of the Wildcard universe, but the premise intrigued me. It was kind of hard to follow at first, but I ended up thoroughly enjoying it. Think a more mature Heroes. I've picked up a few other books and have been entertained. The quality if the books is really uneven though. Some writers seem like they phone it in while others seem to really care about the characters they are writing about. So, yeah. I can thoroughly recommend Fort Freak if you like super heroes and police procedurals.
 
2011-11-01 11:51:07 AM
quizzical: TFA: The premise: in 1946, an experimental virus from another planet is released on Earth over Manhattan. This virus is extremely unpredictable and thus becomes known as "the Wild Card." 90% of victims die (known as "drawing the black queen"), and 90% of those survivors become hideous deformed mutants ("Jokers").

10% survive, and the vast majority of survivors are left with horrible defects? That sounds very predictable.


The mortality rate is predictable, "unpredictable" in this case is in the sense that it's very unlikely any two survivors will have similar mutations. You might come out of it constantly oozing goo all over, or turn into a centaur, or have transparent skin... or the ability to create science fiction devices like sentient androids (that only you can make since it's the talent propping them up, not the actual tech) and rayguns.
 
2011-11-01 11:51:25 AM
wingnut396: HeartBurnKid: I've always liked the general concept of Wild Cards, but for some reason, I've never been able to actually finish any of the books. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the series.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so there's some hope.

No, SciFi brought us those.

Syfy gave us extra WWE and megaphython meets crodadilus-rex or some such crap.


Syfy brought us Alphas.
 
2011-11-01 11:53:39 AM
That article is totally and completely spot on.

Also, if the show includes killing off Kid Dinosaur I will be amazed.

Also, also, I read one of the more recent ones and Captain Trips was stuck in the Radical persona, except he'd become this caricature of left-wingers bolstering up 3rd world dictators? What the fark was that about? Pissed me off to no end. The moment in one of the earlier books where Captain Trips manages to call forth the Radical for the second time and save the day was one of the truly great fark YEAH moments of my life.
 
2011-11-01 11:57:12 AM
ayrsayle: quizzical: 10% survive, and the vast majority of survivors are left with horrible defects? That sounds very predictable.

The mortality rate is predictable, "unpredictable" in this case is in the sense that it's very unlikely any two survivors will have similar mutations. You might come out of it constantly oozing goo all over, or turn into a centaur, or have transparent skin... or the ability to create science fiction devices like sentient androids (that only you can make since it's the talent propping them up, not the actual tech) and rayguns.


Note to self: Do not attempt humor before breakfast.
 
2011-11-01 12:07:30 PM
ayrsayle: quizzical: TFA: The premise: in 1946, an experimental virus from another planet is released on Earth over Manhattan. This virus is extremely unpredictable and thus becomes known as "the Wild Card." 90% of victims die (known as "drawing the black queen"), and 90% of those survivors become hideous deformed mutants ("Jokers").

10% survive, and the vast majority of survivors are left with horrible defects? That sounds very predictable.

The mortality rate is predictable, "unpredictable" in this case is in the sense that it's very unlikely any two survivors will have similar mutations. You might come out of it constantly oozing goo all over, or turn into a centaur, or have transparent skin... or the ability to create science fiction devices like sentient androids (that only you can make since it's the talent propping them up, not the actual tech) and rayguns.


Why is this connected to a virus? It just sounds like the Marvel universe.
 
2011-11-01 12:09:20 PM
Is there rasslin in it? Because the only syfy I like is rasslin.
 
2011-11-01 12:11:11 PM
Martin is a hack. Somehow out a pile of amazingly well written books with captivating and engaging characters, some idiot producer latched onto Martin's work and now I get it shoved down my throat every time I walk into a major bookstore or open an app on my phone. Effin a, man.
 
2011-11-01 12:11:51 PM
Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Nope. Syfy Films is their partnership with Universal, so it's not going to be on Syfy but in theaters.

And it'll still suck.
 
2011-11-01 12:32:33 PM
HeartBurnKid: I've always liked the general concept of Wild Cards, but for some reason, I've never been able to actually finish any of the books. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the series.


Same here. I read the first couple back when they first came out and I really liked the concept and the story, but by the end of the third book it was almost unreadable. Thieves' World was very much the same way for me. I think many of the authors just saw an easy paycheck and didn't really want to waste any of their ideas on an anthology story.
 
2011-11-01 12:34:04 PM
Quasar: Oh, it's George RR Martin? So that means there are 985 characters, 983 of which die within 15 pages of meeting them.

And the two left will never resolve any plot points.
 
2011-11-01 12:41:44 PM
There's a reason mosaic writing (multiple authors contributing their own stories within the overall parameters set up) fails. You always run out of good contributions, or you have individual authors going their own way in continuity-breaking directions, or most frequently you just have BAD stories. And the bad stories break it for the readers, who expect something of a particular quality when they BUY the book, and each time they're pissed on by the bad authors they are less likely to buy again.
 
2011-11-01 12:42:53 PM
Does he talk about food for page upon page in this series?

As somoene who just finsihed a summer (and then some) project of reading all of the Fire and Ice novels, and overall quite enjoyed it, I can't tell you how little appetite I have for starting a new GRRM series.
 
2011-11-01 12:44:19 PM
The whole concept of a "mosaic novel" is just marketing bullshiat, and the last time anyone came close to pulling it off was in "Thieves' World", for maybe 3 novels, after that the entire genre sucked, unless you are perpetually 12 years old.

All you need to know about Wild Cards: There is a ratio of roughly 50 pages of good writing in the first few books to about 1000 pages of suck, sadism and purple prose.

/in other words, this is Heroes, except novelized in the 80's.
 
2011-11-01 12:50:08 PM
mark.jms: I'm halfway through the 9th book. Picked up 1->9 for free, essentially.

The first one sold me on the idea, and they've been getting progressively worse, honestly. There's little bits of good here and there through the last, but the authorship got uneven.


This was my experience with it as well. Some of that has to do with the nature of a multi-author collaborative, some just aren't as good as the others, and replacement authors can throw things off a bit. I liked The Sleeper character.
 
2011-11-01 01:00:50 PM
SpocksEars: ENOUGH with the SUPERHERO shows already!


/such a pity
///so many good books out there that could be done...
//l/et's start with Pohl's Gateway...


fark that

BRING BACK THE TICK!
 
2011-11-01 01:05:12 PM
Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

They did a good job recently with Alphas, but this seems rather large in scope; too big to portray well on a budjet.

But rest assured that throughout the course of the series there is indeed all sorts of sordid phantasmagorical events: centaur sex, mutant rape, guttings, a woman who kills people with her vagina, dismemberments, butt sex with dead people, and what I can only describe as the most horrifying blowjob scene I have ever read outside of FFF. I shudder to even remember it.

Okay, then. I'd assume they would just edit around a lot of that, but after the blow-job scene in Game of Thrones...that foley guy certainly had his work cut out for him. I haven't read the books...was the anal corpse rape that integral to the plot?
 
2011-11-01 01:12:00 PM
Well, the books sucked horribly. Maybe the television rendition of the books will be decent. GRRM shouldn't venture outside of fantasy/historical fiction.
 
2011-11-01 01:20:26 PM
LowbrowDeluxe: Also, if the show includes killing off Kid Dinosaur I will be amazed.

That's pretty much when I said, "You know what? Fsck you all, too" and stopped reading the series. I thought that was just about the time Tachy's character went off the rails, but it's been so long I am probably misremembering a lot. Talk about punishing the reader.

Was actually a pretty good list, and I say that as an anti-list person.
 
2011-11-01 01:21:37 PM
InmanRoshi: Does he talk about food for page upon page in this series?

As somoene who just finsihed a summer (and then some) project of reading all of the Fire and Ice novels, and overall quite enjoyed it, I can't tell you how little appetite I have for starting a new GRRM series.


You & I are in the same boat. Only learned of the series last winter & read through all the books. I enjoyed the first 4 but the last one draaaaagged & then ended with a pile of suck. Tyrion was a great character until he ended up across the Narrow Sea. Now I couldn't care less what becomes of him. Or freakin' Theon, whom Martin felt the need to redeem, apparently. I'm not relishing the idea of another series by him, either.

/Sucks, too, since I'm in the market for a new series to read. I'm almost done with Red Mars and don't like it. I doubt I'll pick up the other 2 any time soon.
 
2011-11-01 01:23:26 PM
Bennie Crabtree: ayrsayle: quizzical: TFA: The premise: in 1946, an experimental virus from another planet is released on Earth over Manhattan. This virus is extremely unpredictable and thus becomes known as "the Wild Card." 90% of victims die (known as "drawing the black queen"), and 90% of those survivors become hideous deformed mutants ("Jokers").

10% survive, and the vast majority of survivors are left with horrible defects? That sounds very predictable.

The mortality rate is predictable, "unpredictable" in this case is in the sense that it's very unlikely any two survivors will have similar mutations. You might come out of it constantly oozing goo all over, or turn into a centaur, or have transparent skin... or the ability to create science fiction devices like sentient androids (that only you can make since it's the talent propping them up, not the actual tech) and rayguns.

Why is this connected to a virus? It just sounds like the Marvel universe.


Seriously. Take out the virus concept and you've got Mutants and Morlocks.
 
2011-11-01 01:28:03 PM
SpocksEars: //l/et's start with Pohl's Gateway...

Well, I'd want it on HBO instead of SyFy, but OMG YES.
 
2011-11-01 01:34:33 PM
Quasar: Oh, it's George RR Martin? So that means there are 985 characters, 983 of which die within 15 pages of meeting them.

And one of them will wander around the farking desert for 10 years doing nothing. He is almost as bad as Robert Jordan, almost.
 
2011-11-01 01:34:38 PM
Point of order: George R. R. Martin was the series editor, and he only contributed a few of the stories to Wildcards.

Also, I have my doubts this series (which is quite graphic, which is a reaction to the 50s, 60s and 70s and which really peters out after a few books) would make for good TV. Some of the characters are only interesting because of their subtext, and that's going to be very hard to sell on a channel like Syfy.
 
2011-11-01 01:35:25 PM
wingnut396: HeartBurnKid: I've always liked the general concept of Wild Cards, but for some reason, I've never been able to actually finish any of the books. So yeah, I'm looking forward to the series.

Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so there's some hope.

No, SciFi brought us those.

Syfy gave us extra WWE and megaphython meets crodadilus-rex or some such crap.


WWE and megapython get better ratings. Sci-Fi fans are just a small whiny minority that don't matter.
 
2011-11-01 01:37:46 PM
So, Alphas is apparently not getting renewed for a second season.

Pity, it picked up there quite a bit in the last few episodes. I guess Sy-Fy fans can't handle moral ambiguity in their Super Heroes.
 
2011-11-01 01:43:02 PM
Slaves2Darkness: So, Alphas is apparently not getting renewed for a second season.

Pity, it picked up there quite a bit in the last few episodes. I guess Sy-Fy fans can't handle moral ambiguity in their Super Heroes.


If that's true, then Wild Cards will flop badly.

To be honest, I haven't watched Alphas, mostly because what little I've heard of it made it seem like a knockoff of Heroes (which I stopped watching after season 2). Any good?
 
2011-11-01 01:44:06 PM
Wasn't "The 4400" effectively "Wild Cards: The Series"?
 
2011-11-01 01:47:50 PM
0) Don't read it until AFTER you see the show.
 
2011-11-01 01:58:43 PM
mark.jms: I'm halfway through the 9th book. Picked up 1->9 for free, essentially.

The first one sold me on the idea, and they've been getting progressively worse, honestly. There's little bits of good here and there through the last, but the authorship got uneven.


This, the first 4 rocked, after that, it got... ugh.
 
2011-11-01 02:25:36 PM
Um, Martin didn't write a lot of the wild cards stories, he edited them. A bunch are self contained.

Would be amusing to see the Fortunato storyline.
 
2011-11-01 02:43:48 PM
doglover: HeartBurnKid: Nihilist's Guide to Reticent Entropy: 1. It's on Syfy, which means it will suck.

Syfy did bring us Farscape, Battlestar Galactica, and Stargate Atlantis, so Wild Cards will suck and/or end prematurely.



They were "hit and mostly miss" back before the name change when they had the chick from Lifetime as CEO. Now the whole channel has terminal syfylous.
 
2011-11-01 03:03:37 PM
I dunno - I'm just reading the song of Ice and Fire series (I'm on book Two - Clash of Kings) and it doesn't seem to be the literary orgasm that a lot of people are making it out to be - at least not to me - it's okay but it's nothing that has really taken me aback.
 
2011-11-01 04:31:51 PM
madcan34: I dunno - I'm just reading the song of Ice and Fire series (I'm on book Two - Clash of Kings) and it doesn't seem to be the literary orgasm that a lot of people are making it out to be - at least not to me - it's okay but it's nothing that has really taken me aback.

Give it a second.
 
2011-11-01 04:50:41 PM
HeartBurnKid: Slaves2Darkness: So, Alphas is apparently not getting renewed for a second season.

Pity, it picked up there quite a bit in the last few episodes. I guess Sy-Fy fans can't handle moral ambiguity in their Super Heroes.

If that's true, then Wild Cards will flop badly.

To be honest, I haven't watched Alphas, mostly because what little I've heard of it made it seem like a knockoff of Heroes (which I stopped watching after season 2). Any good?


I watched a handful of episodes. It was mostly a bunch of "oh my god, they bad guys are breaking into our super secret mutant headquarters again, you know, the mundane office building in the strip mall with no security checkpoints and the blinds wide open".

Plus a bunch of bad acting and predictable writing.
 
2011-11-01 05:34:34 PM
Free Range Fetus Farmer: Um, Martin didn't write a lot of the wild cards stories, he edited them. A bunch are self contained.

Would be amusing to see the Fortunato storyline.


The Fortunato stories utterly repelled me. They seemed to exist solely as an excuse for Lewis Shiner to write the
most whacked out and offensive graphic sex scenes.

I only read the first book, and did enjoy some of the other stories, but since the second book starts off with
another Fotrunato story, I never finished it and didn't ever go back to them. And, since SyFy is dead to me
once EUREKA is gone, I won't bother to watch thus unless it gets really rave reviews.

Trivia note: the dates and location of the Wild Card conference mentioned in the appendix of Volume 1 were
the same ones as the Lunacon SF Convention, which was where I bought the books.
 
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