Anyone still think he's better than Eli?

I believe we have a winning entry for Keyshawn.

I missed most of the game. Did he go all PHILIP RIVEEEEEERRRRRS?

A win is a win and I never throw one back.

/obscure?
//GO CHIEFS!!!

Poor Chargers. With the Chiefs and Raiders starting to field competitive teams, they can't load up on easy divisional wins and cruise to the playoffs every year. Also known as "Steeler-ing".

Passive Aggressive Larry: Also known as "Steeler-ing".

Yeah, like puttin the boot to Brady's ass like they did this past weekend, or playing the Ravens constantly.
Oh yeah, that's some easy stuff all right.

yumpizza: Anyone still think he's better than Eli?

Ah, yes. Rivers is in a slump for pretty much the first time in his entire career. A slump that could be due to an injury the team won't let on. This is entirely out of form for Rivers whereas Eli has always been Peyton Manning's crappy little brother. Look up the stats for yourself if you doubt me. Rivers has all the stats, wins, etc. He just doesn't have the ring, yet. And if he didn't have Norvel Tuner as his coach he might have had that already.

I can't fault Rivers(well, I can but I won't) but really isn't this what we expect from Norv Turner coaches teams by now.

I learned tonight Rivers is 29 and has six kids, and the youngest is almost 4...damn man.

yumpizza: Anyone still think he's better than Eli?

Eli has a ring but not because he's a better QB. But seriously, Chargers had almost everything. They pissed away the best running back of the decade. Then last year they had the best defense and one of the top offenses and still managed to do dick.

Chargers have their own special brand of fail.

InferiousX: yumpizza: Anyone still think he's better than Eli?

Eli has a ring but not because he's a better QB. But seriously, Chargers had almost everything. They pissed away the best running back of the decade. Then last year they had the best defense and one of the top offenses and still managed to do dick.

Chargers have their own special brand of fail.

Chargers defensive stats were highly skewed last season by their completely inept special teams. Opponents were constantly starting deep in Charger territory. If it's not the Ravens or Steelers atop the defensive stats, look for the anomaly.

Poison Appleseeds: I learned tonight Rivers is 29 and has six kids, and the youngest is almost 4...damn man.

He's a genuine "good guy". Call me biased because I'm a Chargers fan but I really don't get the hate for him. Not talking about the photoshopped pics and ribbing mind you. That's all in good fun and he is a goofy fark sometimes. I'm talking about the people who put him in the same league as Cutler in terms of being an asshole when he's completely the opposite.

All based off that one MNF game where the cameras zoomed in on him jawing with Cutler. He talks. I know that full well. What a lot of people don't know though is that you could mic him and every word would make a network broadcast. He's a real country type, doesn't even swear. Married his college sweet heart and has a big family (like you mentioned). Never the type you're gonna read about in the headlines for an off the field incident.

When there are accused rapists, guys with more bastards than they can remember, and actual cons in the league (Vick, Plaxico), I'm amazed that anyone can hate on Philip Rivers. Hate the Chargers for being over-hyped under-achievers, make fun of him for the stupid faces he makes, but you can't hate Philip Rivers the man.

On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

I can't belive I'm whiteknighting Tony farking Ro but . . . hey, Submitter, you realize that Tony Romo has the fifth highest career qb rating of all time, right?

nicoffeine: On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

People are saying he's hiding an injury suffered earlier in the season. Would explain why he's so wildly inaccurate all of a sudden. Either that or he's been training with Jake Delhomme.

Freak: nicoffeine: On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

People are saying he's hiding an injury suffered earlier in the season. Would explain why he's so wildly inaccurate all of a sudden. Either that or he's been training with Jake Delhomme.

Nobody remembers poor Jake Delhomme for what he did before the Bad Day.

Chiefs win the Monday Night Football Failball game...

FTFY, subby.

Pratty: Freak: nicoffeine: On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

People are saying he's hiding an injury suffered earlier in the season. Would explain why he's so wildly inaccurate all of a sudden. Either that or he's been training with Jake Delhomme.

Nobody remembers poor Jake Delhomme for what he did before the Bad Day.

...but you fark ONE goat...

Pratty: Freak: nicoffeine: On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

People are saying he's hiding an injury suffered earlier in the season. Would explain why he's so wildly inaccurate all of a sudden. Either that or he's been training with Jake Delhomme.

Nobody remembers poor Jake Delhomme for what he did before the Bad Day.

I do. Unfortunately, there is the Bad Day. Whether it's Jack Del Rio or Jake, something went horribly wrong with the Panthers (I blame it on Jack), and nothing was fixed. Delhomme was afraid to adjust the plays at the line of scrimmage. He was like a peewee player just learning what he already knew was wrong.

I blame what's happened on Norv Turner, and I think Rivers knows that he's not going to win a Ring with him, and has stopped caring. That's what I see. I've seen him throw accurate passes even when he's not really paying attention, and what's got me irritated is that he'll stop throwing to his badly placed receivers, even when it's the right thing to do (letting his coach see why he can't create catches by himself). If your coach is being stupid, you follow him by the book, until he realizes it isn't you that is making the mistakes. He has to understand that the other coach is not stupid. It's an egotistical nightmare. Plays have to be called appropriate for coverage. And you have to fix those plays on the line of scrimmage. Norv is calling what he always calls, and Rivers has given up fixing them. He just doesn't care anymore. I hope, for his sake, he gets traded.

/sticks his foot in an anthill

nicoffeine: Pratty: Freak: nicoffeine: On a serious note, I wonder if Rivers is going through some sort of depression. Being on the west coast, I've been able to see him play through his career, and it's like some other guy is out there. It's weird, and a bit sad. I'm no Chargers fan (9ers here), but it's just... I don't know how to explain it other than that football isn't his top priority right now. I used to laugh when he and Norv made stupid mistakes, too. Not any more.

People are saying he's hiding an injury suffered earlier in the season. Would explain why he's so wildly inaccurate all of a sudden. Either that or he's been training with Jake Delhomme.

Nobody remembers poor Jake Delhomme for what he did before the Bad Day.

I do. Unfortunately, there is the Bad Day. Whether it's Jack Del Rio or Jake, something went horribly wrong with the Panthers (I blame it on Jack), and nothing was fixed. Delhomme was afraid to adjust the plays at the line of scrimmage. He was like a peewee player just learning what he already knew was wrong.

I blame what's happened on Norv Turner, and I think Rivers knows that he's not going to win a Ring with him, and has stopped caring. That's what I see. I've seen him throw accurate passes even when he's not really paying attention, and what's got me irritated is that he'll stop throwing to his badly placed receivers, even when it's the right thing to do (letting his coach see why he can't create catches by himself). If your coach is being stupid, you follow him by the book, until he realizes it isn't you that is making the mistakes. He has to understand that the other coach is not stupid. It's an egotistical nightmare. Plays have to be called appropriate for coverage. And you have to fix those plays on the line of scrimmage. Norv is calling what he always calls, and Rivers has given up fixing them. He just doesn't care anymore. I hope, for his sake, he gets traded.

/sticks his foot in an anthill

Hillbilly Jim:
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Ah... yeah. You're right.

It is the bear's fault. For reals.

Throw the ball to BOWE! Wait, sorry... I can calm down. It's okay.

blockhouse: I can't belive I'm whiteknighting Tony farking Ro but . . . hey, Submitter, you realize that Tony Romo has the fifth highest career qb rating of all time, right?

QB rating is a really bad stat to describe Romo though. I think the actual point of the comparison is that despite playing relatively well Rivers found a way to lose the game. Much like Romo does quite often.

Whenever I'm annoyed with Andy Reid, I could take comfort in the fact the Norv Turner is still an NFL head coach.

It helps a little, but not too much.

blockhouse: I can't belive I'm whiteknighting Tony farking Ro but . . . hey, Submitter, you realize that Tony Romo has the fifth highest career qb rating of all time, right?

The fact that that list is dominated by currently playing players is pretty interesting. I knew that the NFL has basically made the life of a QB as cushy as possible, but that Romo can still be ranked that high and yet constantly choke in big games is pretty interesting. Maybe ESPN's "Tibow" Ranking system actually is better in that regard. How does Romo fair on that?

nicoffeine: I do. Unfortunately, there is the Bad Day. Whether it's Jack Del Rio or Jake, something went horribly wrong with the Panthers (I blame it on Jack), and nothing was fixed. Delhomme was afraid to adjust the plays at the line of scrimmage. He was like a peewee player just learning what he already knew was wrong.

I'm pretty sure John Fox was the coach of the Panthers when Jake's Bad Day happened. Jack Del Rio is the coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars and has been for 8 years.

Behold and tremble in fear at the phenomenon as the One Supreme Being of FAIL.

Thy name is ... NORV TURNER!

Good to know in these topsy-turvy times the Chargers are always there to remind us that some things never change, like their inability to ever live up to expectations or perform when it counts.

This is bad news ... for Sparano.

Arkanaut: nicoffeine: I do. Unfortunately, there is the Bad Day. Whether it's Jack Del Rio or Jake, something went horribly wrong with the Panthers (I blame it on Jack), and nothing was fixed. Delhomme was afraid to adjust the plays at the line of scrimmage. He was like a peewee player just learning what he already knew was wrong.

I'm pretty sure John Fox was the coach of the Panthers when Jake's Bad Day happened. Jack Del Rio is the coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars and has been for 8 years.

Jumpin Jesus on a pogo stick. You're right. It was John Fox. Might as well say it was Dom freaking Capers.

nicoffeine: I blame what's happened on Norv Turner, and I think Rivers knows that he's not going to win a Ring with him, and has stopped caring. That's what I see. I've seen him throw accurate passes even when he's not really paying attention, and what's got me irritated is that he'll stop throwing to his badly placed receivers, even when it's the right thing to do (letting his coach see why he can't create catches by himself). If your coach is being stupid, you follow him by the book, until he realizes it isn't you that is making the mistakes. He has to understand that the other coach is not stupid. It's an egotistical nightmare. Plays have to be called appropriate for coverage. And you have to fix those plays on the line of scrimmage. Norv is calling what he always calls, and Rivers has given up fixing them. He just doesn't care anymore. I hope, for his sake, he gets traded.

Look, this would be okay if it wasn't for the fact that Rivers is throwing a half-dozen dead ducks a game. Really, this sounds like a hand/arm/shoulder injury that hasn't been reported(either Rivers manning up or Norv hiding it).

It also doesn't help that Ryan Matthews is a bust, Mike Tolbert can't not fumble, Antonio Gates' career as a real threat is over because of plantar fasciitis, and the receivers have all turned into Stonehands Featherstone when the throws are on the money

Freak: He's a genuine "good guy". Call me biased because I'm a Chargers fan but I really don't get the hate for him. Not talking about the photoshopped pics and ribbing mind you. That's all in good fun and he is a goofy fark sometimes. I'm talking about the people who put him in the same league as Cutler in terms of being an asshole when he's completely the opposite.

All based off that one MNF game where the cameras zoomed in on him jawing with Cutler. He talks. I know that full well. What a lot of people don't know though is that you could mic him and every word would make a network broadcast. He's a real country type, doesn't even swear. Married his college sweet heart and has a big family (like you mentioned). Never the type you're gonna read about in the headlines for an off the field incident.

When there are accused rapists, guys with more bastards than they can remember, and actual cons in the league (Vick, Plaxico), I'm amazed that anyone can hate on Philip Rivers. Hate the Chargers for being over-hyped under-achievers, make fun of him for the stupid faces he makes, but you can't hate Philip Rivers the man.

I am very much a Rivers hater. Admittedly, the majority of the hate does come from those stupid faces he makes. But he's also an arrogant douche. Then again, a lot of NFL players are arrogant douches. And I hate most of them. (Or at least the famous ones.)

I actually have had many discussions with my football watching friends about what makes people hate certain players. For example, I hate Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Romo, and Sanchez... But I like Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers. The best conclusion I could come up with was that there are categories of QBs I hate: The arrogant douches (Rivers), the ridiculously overrated (Romo, Roethlisberger, Sanchez), and the division rival that I'm secretly jealous of because their life is pretty awesome (Brady, although he could probably fit in the arrogant douche category a bit as well).

Also, for arrogant douches in the league, I give WRs a free pass as long as I find them to be funny. Ochocinco and Old TO: funny. New TO: annoying.

Philip Rivers wins the costume contest for his excellent Tony Romo outfit

I was very happy to see the cheerleaders join in the spirit of Hallowe'en by wearing Sexy Cheerleader costumes.

blockhouse: hey, Submitter, you realize that Tony Romo has the fifth highest career qb rating of all time, right?

Tony Romo drops snap vs Seahawks, preventing team from attempting potential winning FG.
Philip Rivers drops snap vs Chiefs, preventing team from attempting potential winning FG.

Where does QB rating come into play here, again?

Freak: He's a genuine "good guy". Call me biased because I'm a Chargers fan but I really don't get the hate for him. Not talking about the photoshopped pics and ribbing mind you. That's all in good fun and he is a goofy fark sometimes. I'm talking about the people who put him in the same league as Cutler in terms of being an asshole when he's completely the opposite.

I think Rivers is overrated and an asshole because of what he does on the field. Take last night when he unleashed a dagron and his WR was called for offensive pass interference. Now, the play happened some 40+ yards down the field and the official (who was in much, much better position to see the play than Rivers) made the correct call. Yet Rivers goes sprinting downfield to yell at the official for the penalty. He did the same thing in a playoff game against the Jets when Revis made a ridiculous interception. In my opinion Rivers just doesn't have the mental toughness required to be an elite QB as evidenced by meltdowns such as those. People can blame Norv all they want but Rivers lack of composure has just as much to do with all those postseason losses. Hell, Rivers has only ever played well in one playoff game (against the Colts). That's not Norv's fault.

And now there is even more evidence to show that Eli and the Giants by far got the better end of that draft-day trade. Eli may have his faults, but he still is a better QB than Rivers and has the ring that Rivers never will.

AdmirableSnackbar: Yet Rivers goes sprinting downfield to yell at the official for the penalty. He did the same thing in a playoff game against the Jets when Revis made a ridiculous interception. In my opinion Rivers just doesn't have the mental toughness required to be an elite QB as evidenced by meltdowns such as those

Everybody whines/screams at the refs now.

My favorite is when a receiver makes a very low catch near the opposing sideline (or maybe one of those tip-toe-sideline-dance numbers to make sure he was in bounds with possession.) and half of the other team plus about four coaches jump forward and start screaming at the ref to call the play in their favor. Even when it's blatantly obvious that the receiver made the catch. I've never seen it affect a referee's decision, and makes them look like a bunch of spoiled little kids.

AdmirableSnackbar: Yet Rivers goes sprinting downfield to yell at the official for the penalty. He did the same thing in a playoff game against the Jets when Revis made a ridiculous interception. In my opinion Rivers just doesn't have the mental toughness required to be an elite QB as evidenced by meltdowns such as those.

Maybe you don't watch Tom Brady or Peyton Manning?

Ultimately, people have a problem with quarterbacks showing emotion and fire.

I think Rivers is overrated and an asshole because of what he does on the field. Take last night when he unleashed a dagron and his WR was called for offensive pass interference. Now, the play happened some 40+ yards down the field and the official (who was in much, much better position to see the play than Rivers) made the correct call. Yet Rivers goes sprinting downfield to yell at the official for the penalty. He did the same thing in a playoff game against the Jets when Revis made a ridiculous interception. In my opinion Rivers just doesn't have the mental toughness required to be an elite QB as evidenced by meltdowns such as those.

See that doesn't bother me, i want a QB that is passionate. If he did that all game, then yeah, you'd have a point. As others have said above, Rivers is a great guy off the field, especially compared to other players. Does he come off as an asshole on the field? Of course, he's a fiery competitor. I'm a Chargers fan, so i guess i'm biased, but i want my QB to be fiery. I don't want him to sulk back to the sidelines like Eli Manning.

As far as the game, the only bright spot was Curtis Brinkley. I kind of hope they put him in there instead of Mathews. At least Brinkley was running with some purpose.

So my number 1 pick this year in the draft (Granted I picked last out of 12 teams) was Phillip "Freaking" Rivers so this year I have gone 0-8. I hate you Rivers, you waste of space.

CCCarnie: I actually have had many discussions with my football watching friends about what makes people hate certain players. For example, I hate Brady, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Romo, and Sanchez... But I like Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers. The best conclusion I could come up with was that there are categories of QBs I hate: The arrogant douches (Rivers), the ridiculously overrated (Romo, Roethlisberger, Sanchez), and the division rival that I'm secretly jealous of because their life is pretty awesome (Brady, although he could probably fit in the arrogant douche category a bit as well).

So, you hate Brady, but are secretly jealous of him, but he's an arrogant douche ... hmmm ...

you're gay.

yelmrog: AdmirableSnackbar: Yet Rivers goes sprinting downfield to yell at the official for the penalty. He did the same thing in a playoff game against the Jets when Revis made a ridiculous interception. In my opinion Rivers just doesn't have the mental toughness required to be an elite QB as evidenced by meltdowns such as those

Everybody whines/screams at the refs now.

My favorite is when a receiver makes a very low catch near the opposing sideline (or maybe one of those tip-toe-sideline-dance numbers to make sure he was in bounds with possession.) and half of the other team plus about four coaches jump forward and start screaming at the ref to call the play in their favor. Even when it's blatantly obvious that the receiver made the catch. I've never seen it affect a referee's decision, and makes them look like a bunch of spoiled little kids.

In certain cases, that's fine. If you are in position to see the play then it's OK to plant the seed of doubt in the official's mind to call the play your way. And QBs may whine to the officials when they get hit in what they feel is an illegal manner. They also at times talk to officials when they feel there was a defensive infraction down the field. But Rivers goes over the top, sprinting downfield to yell at an official who was in a much better position to make a correct call. No other QBs do that even occasionally but Rivers does it almost every time I see him play.

Fark-the-Fnord: So my number 1 pick this year in the draft (Granted I picked last out of 12 teams) was Phillip "Freaking" Rivers so this year I have gone 0-8. I hate you Rivers, you waste of space.

Hey, at least you didn't get Peyton Manning. Stop your whining