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jake_lex

2011-10-31 09:53:45 PM

From TFA:

The rock legend listed eight services that record labels and music publishers have traditionally provided to artists, such as editorial guidance and "creative nurture".

"Is there really any good reason why, just because iTunes exists in the wild west internet land of Facebook and Twitter, it can't provide some aspect of these services to the artists whose work it bleeds like a digital vampire, like a digital Northern Rock, for its enormous commission?" he asked.

Sorry, Pete, I guess bands now will have to get by by directly connecting to their fans and having compelling musical ideas, not because some recording industry scumbag brought a DJ a bag of coke and a couple of whores.

/yeah, but he's a pervert

nekom

2011-10-31 10:01:51 PM

jake_lex: Sorry, Pete, I guess bands now will have to get by by directly connecting to their fans and having compelling musical ideas, not because some recording industry scumbag brought a DJ a bag of coke and a couple of whores.

Indeed it's a changed business model. Deal with it or get out of the business. Does he think people should be forced to purchase newspapers or that subsidies must be given to buggy whip manufacturers?

2wolves

2011-10-31 10:03:36 PM

Any '70's super group faded into crap more than the Who?

No legs and a side of tripe.

2xhelix

2011-10-31 10:09:59 PM

Poor Pete. It must really be a struggle to get by when your own personal net worth is a paltry £40 million.

I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey

2011-10-31 10:35:15 PM

2wolves: Any '70's super group faded into crap more than the Who?

No legs and a side of tripe.

The Rolling Stones and The Bee Gees come to mind.

jake_lex

2011-10-31 11:30:59 PM

Seriously, Townsend can't really believe that the recording industry had artists best interests in mind, can he? Is he serious?

skinink

2011-11-01 01:14:30 AM

If it was up to him, he would take all of these file sharing kids to Cincinnati and crush them to death.

Maynotlast

2011-11-01 01:32:31 AM

Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

nohit

2011-11-01 01:32:42 AM

This is why I never invite iTunes to enter my computer.

tmo72

2011-11-01 01:36:42 AM

Apple may be a vampire, but Steve Jobs is more like a zombie now.

farkingismybusiness

2011-11-01 01:36:56 AM

Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

I bet you play a mean pinball.

Surool

2011-11-01 01:38:17 AM

Typical Droid fanboi...

Maynotlast

2011-11-01 01:53:30 AM

farkingismybusiness: Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

I bet you play a mean pinball.

I'm not deaf or blind enough.

100 Watt Walrus

2011-11-01 02:01:19 AM

Pete's just tryin' to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Just because we share our songs around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Man, you sure seem awful o-o-old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Whinin' 'bout how music's sold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Why don't you just f-fade away (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
And quit griping 'bout we all p-p-pay (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Stop tryin' to cause a big s-s-sensa-shawn (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I'm no where near your god-damn l-l-lawn (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

100 Watt Walrus

2011-11-01 02:02:44 AM

GODDAMMITSOMUCH.

Pete's just tryin' to put us d-down (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Just because we share our songs around (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Man, you sure seem awful o-o-old (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Whinin' 'bout how music's sold (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

Why don't you just f-fade away (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
And quit griping 'bout how much we p-p-pay (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
Stop tryin' to cause a big s-s-sensa-shawn (Talkin' 'bout my generation)
I'm no where near your god-damn l-l-lawn (Talkin' 'bout my generation)

This is my generation
This is my generation, baby

LoneWolf343

2011-11-01 02:03:24 AM

Pete Townshend said "a creative person would prefer their music to be stolen and enjoyed than ignored"

Not most of the ones I met. I've seen people give up art altogether because of art theft.

/Personally loves being "stolen."
//That's not an invitation.

moothemagiccow

2011-11-01 02:04:19 AM

jake_lex: Sorry, Pete, I guess bands now will have to get by by directly connecting to their fans and having compelling musical ideas, not because some recording industry scumbag brought a DJ a bag of coke and a couple of whores.

Yeah music is so grassroots now. I can't believe WB, Sony and Universal went bankrupt so quickly. Have you heard of this underground site called pitchfork?

//some musicians are more equal than others

Happy Hours

2011-11-01 03:03:04 AM

2wolves: Any '70's super group faded into crap more than the Who?

No legs and a side of tripe.

Well, to be fair half of them are dead and you can't expect Roger Daltrey who must be about 90 by now to still sing like he used to.

I'm just waiting for them to play Octogenarian Wasteland

Happy Hours

2011-11-01 03:09:14 AM

skinink: If it was up to him, he would take all of these file sharing kids to Cincinnati and crush them to death.

Damn - you're just mean. I guess it's still too soon. How many people died? 19? Let's see IIRC.

Nope, it was only 11.

Meh 11 out of about 20,000 isn't so bad, is it?

Screamin

2011-11-01 03:31:50 AM

He's a very smart man and a living legend. He spoke out strongly against headphones a few years back and blames them for his hearing loss. It's not surprising to me that he doesn't like Apple either since most people use headphones with their Apple devices. I don't agree with him but I understand where he's coming from. That Fark headline is just evil and I'm sorry that it got a green light. Those of you that don't know the music of The Who, I just feel sorry for you.

SnakeMan

2011-11-01 03:57:11 AM

Screamin: He's a very smart man and a living legend. He spoke out strongly against headphones a few years back and blames them for his hearing loss. It's not surprising to me that he doesn't like Apple either since most people use headphones with their Apple devices. I don't agree with him but I understand where he's coming from. That Fark headline is just evil and I'm sorry that it got a green light. Those of you that don't know the music of The Who, I just feel sorry for you.

Not sure if serious. Townshend didn't say headphones per se caused hearing loss, IIRC, he just said using them to listen to loud music was damaging.

relaxitsjustme

2011-11-01 04:50:01 AM

I can't really disagree with what he said.

Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

Subby can also be found submitting any headline about bicycle racing with a one ball/Lance Armstrong joke

digistil

2011-11-01 05:00:50 AM

If only there were iTunes sponsored concerts that were free, and mixed A-list acts with unknowns with potential that could use the incredible exposure.

the_freelance

2011-11-01 07:04:59 AM

Pete has something of a point, but Tunecore says hi.

karnal

2011-11-01 08:06:25 AM

Maynotlast

farkingismybusiness: Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

I bet you play a mean pinball.

I'm not deaf or blind enough.

But you've got Dumb down.

karnal

2011-11-01 08:11:52 AM

Screamin

He's a very smart man and a living legend. He spoke out strongly against headphones a few years back and blames them for his hearing loss. It's not surprising to me that he doesn't like Apple either since most people use headphones with their Apple devices. I don't agree with him but I understand where he's coming from. That Fark headline is just evil and I'm sorry that it got a green light. Those of you that don't know the music of The Who, I just feel sorry for you.

Came to say something like this....but probably not as well....so THIS!

TimeWaste

2011-11-01 08:18:44 AM

He should just keep his nose out of this.

Drunk Astronaut

2011-11-01 09:05:43 AM

Good thing Pete is staying vigilant, so he can protect music...

library.thinkquest.org

FROGSTOMPER

2011-11-01 09:13:42 AM

karnal: Maynotlast

farkingismybusiness: Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

I bet you play a mean pinball.

I'm not deaf or blind enough.

But you've got Dumb down.

lolz

Skarekrough

2011-11-01 09:25:03 AM

Pete's old and so are his viewpoints.

If he were young and starting a band from the ground-up today they would be different. The fact that he can't acknowledge that is tragic, but appears to be, for the most part, supported by those paid to be around and coddle him so he can make the lumbering, dying groups he points to as beacons of the industry a few more million before he kicks it and "The Who" become a solo act.

snowshovel

2011-11-01 09:57:46 AM

I can also understand where Pete's coming from. The article is a bit less argumentative than the headline, of course. It's pretty much an argument that says a lot of bands use iTunes as their record company now, but while Apple gladly takes their 30% cut from everyone, they don't provide the 30% of services that the traditional record company provides. No marketing, no financial support,etc. It's simply 30% for access to "the tubes." Which simply might be enough for some artists, I guess.

Has there been any artist of note who has been successful to come out of iTunes that hasn't had an affiliation with a record label? YouTube almost seems better at this than iTunes, ala Rebecca Black (and even THAT had some record label somehow attached to it).

GacysBasement

2011-11-01 10:11:03 AM

We may as well steal his kid's bicycle...hahaha. He wouldn't mind as long as you were 7 and rode it sans pants and knickers.

I wonder how much he paid for the kiddie porn "art".

acefox1

2011-11-01 10:53:10 AM

I think that Pete said Keith Moon's exploding drum kit and years of performing at 11 in front of a wall of Marshall amps caused his hearing loss.

Pete's got an interesting point but he seems to be yearning for the old paradigm when there's no going back. In the end though he seems to fall somewhere between Bambi vs Godzilla and "Old Man Yells at Cloud"

/Love your work Pete.
//Can you see the real me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me...

Superjew

2011-11-01 10:58:19 AM

Yeah, Pete, the 70% of profits that artists get now after Apple's cut really sucks balls compared to the >2.5% they used to get from the labels.

flaminio

2011-11-01 11:01:01 AM

The guitarist also said that people who downloaded his music without paying for it "may as well come and steal my son's bike while they're at it."

Cool; free bike.

AcneVulgaris

2011-11-01 11:28:19 AM

snowshovel: I can also understand where Pete's coming from. The article is a bit less argumentative than the headline, of course. It's pretty much an argument that says a lot of bands use iTunes as their record company now, but while Apple gladly takes their 30% cut from everyone, they don't provide the 30% of services that the traditional record company provides. No marketing, no financial support,etc. It's simply 30% for access to "the tubes." Which simply might be enough for some artists, I guess.

Has there been any artist of note who has been successful to come out of iTunes that hasn't had an affiliation with a record label? YouTube almost seems better at this than iTunes, ala Rebecca Black (and even THAT had some record label somehow attached to it).

Since when did the Music industry take only 30%?

cenobyte40k

2011-11-01 11:32:48 AM

There is no reason that most of the stuff that this guy published should be in copyright anymore anyway. The first album of theirs dropped in 1965, 46+ years ago, but he thinks that he should still be able to make money of anyone that dares play his music. It seems a little over the top to expect work you did 50 years ago to still be providing you with an income. I mean I work every day for a large corporation, I engineer new systems and come up with creative ideas that allow the company to prosper, but I don't expect them to pay me for every time they use that system. I get that we want to support creative works but 25years should be more than enough time, stop making it a crime to enjoy music and a onerous complication to find and license anything and everything you see everywhere.

JohnBigBootay

2011-11-01 11:38:59 AM

Superjew: Yeah, Pete, the 70% of profits that artists get now after Apple's cut really sucks balls compared to the >2.5% they used to get from the labels.

You sound like you have a great understanding of how that math works so I'm reticent to point out that you seem to have forgotten something.

babysealclubber

2011-11-01 12:02:29 PM

He was researching child abuse Subtard

babysealclubber

2011-11-01 12:03:07 PM

Didn't he gut put on the list for looking at disturbing images, not pornography?

Maynotlast

2011-11-01 12:24:22 PM

brantgoose

2011-11-01 12:32:42 PM

Fun Fact: The first intellectual property right law in the UK dates to the reign of Queen Anne.

brantgoose

2011-11-01 12:41:14 PM

Pete Townsend: Vampire Hunter

Peter Townsend, coining his decades of experience in the music industry dealing with agents, record company executives and Grateful Undead fans, turns vampire slayer when he realizes that the fans are turning into blood-sucking vampires nearly as rapacious and insatiable as Rock 'N' Roll groupies. However, his stake-out (har, har, har) of a den of iniquity (the Genius Bar at Apple) is thwarted when Scooby Doo and the Gang uncover the real criminals aren't vampires but industry executives trying to sell you the same old crap over and over and over again by constantly "upgrading" the hardware and software to force you to buy the repackaged and rehashed music a thousand times. In this episode, Townsend cries "If it wasn't for you meddling kids, we would have gotten away away with it, too!" He attempts to shake his fist at them, but is too old to lift it so he shakes Mick Jagger at them instead. Hilarity ensues.

Rann Xerox

2011-11-01 01:10:37 PM

babysealclubber: He was researching child abuse Subtard

Yeah. I thought that Pete was making sure that the kids are alright.

carrion_luggage

2011-11-01 02:17:25 PM

The Kids Are All Tight

T.M.S.

2011-11-01 02:40:29 PM

cenobyte40k: There is no reason that most of the stuff that this guy published should be in copyright anymore anyway. The first album of theirs dropped in 1965, 46+ years ago, but he thinks that he should still be able to make money of anyone that dares play his music. It seems a little over the top to expect work you did 50 years ago to still be providing you with an income. I mean I work every day for a large corporation, I engineer new systems and come up with creative ideas that allow the company to prosper, but I don't expect them to pay me for every time they use that system. I get that we want to support creative works but 25years should be more than enough time, stop making it a crime to enjoy music and a onerous complication to find and license anything and everything you see everywhere.

You sid it yourself. You work FOR a large corporation. They take all the risk and pay you a wage. Therefore They then own what you create.

If you were willing to take the risk and create for yourself you would be entitled to royalties from your creation.

thefatbasturd

2011-11-01 02:40:36 PM

This would explain why Steve Jobs was buried upside down with a Zoon driven through his heart.

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease

2011-11-01 03:00:12 PM

subby here, i'm just joking about Pete since i love that guy

but you have to have an edge to get a greenlight, amirite??

karnal

2011-11-01 04:26:30 PM

Maynotlast

karnal: Maynotlast

farkingismybusiness: Maynotlast: Really, Subby? A Pete Townshend and child porn slam? What's next? Nixon's NOT a crook? No, no... how about "Clinton likes blow jobs?" The good news is Jay Leno has a spot for you on his writing staff. Welcome to Hollywood. Or as I'm sure you call it: "Hollyweird." Keep up the cutting edge work.

I bet you play a mean pinball.

I'm not deaf or blind enough.

But you've got Dumb down.

D'oh!! You got me. Good work. You should team up with Subby.

Well - actually, I agreed with your post....and I thought subby's was classless....but I couldn't help myself with the "dumb" remark. No offense, eh?

TeddyRooseveltsMustache

2011-11-01 04:26:51 PM

Sorry Pete, nobody cares about you anymore.

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